A good job there aren't many men on MN PART 2

[mathanxiety]

Anyone want to continue from where we left off?

[minxofmancunia]

thefeministparent re your stats

Mental health services, statistically women are more likely to receive no treatment at all.

There are fewer women admitted into Mental health units, although specialist units show a slightly higher number of females.

Women's mental health.....you may be sorry you brought this up BB.
Depressive disorders account for close to 41.9% of the disability from neuropsychiatric disorders among women compared to 29.3% among men.
Leading mental health problems of the elderly are depression, organic brain syndromes and dementias. A majority are women.

Point one, more women seek and receive treatment for mental illness but do so more often in primary care. more men get sectioned or diagnosed with serious mental illness and become in-patients, particularly black males, this has long been known to be an inequity

The reason more women receive more diagnosis of these disorders is because they live longer. Walk into any nursing/residential home and women will greatly outnumber men.

More men die because of completed suicide than women, although more women are seen for hurting themselves.

[mathanxiety]

There remains a suspicion that doctors are still seeing mental health issues in women where their real problems are horrible relationships and the stress of their home lives (see 'mother's little helper and overprescription thereof)

[Caron1968]

Bloody hell. I have perused this thread with much interest and as a man am only slightly more enlightened.
What started out as a misguided original post has meandered through a variety of topics with some incredibly good debate. Attimes the debate has descended into puerile schoolground name calling and occasionallyhas degenerated into virtual fisticuffs.
What is apparent is that mumsnet is a fine arena to discuss, intelligently, the ills of the world.
This topic has managed to include porn, rape, child abuse, DV, policing methods, racism, man hating, feminism, bad humour, body image and a few others I may have missed out. I am eagerly awaiting the arrival of bestiality, animal cruelty, necrophilia and Morris dancing.
Thank you to to all the contributors who have made me sit up and think a little bit more. I shall get back to you when I have gathered my thoughts assimilated all the information and am able to respond without getting a verbal kicking.

[AnyFucker]

Morris dancing is silly

< awaits pasting >

[mathanxiety]

Here you go AF.





Now let's move on. What's your verdict on all us wimmin Caron1968 and the stuff we yak too much about?

[Caron1968]

Oh dear is this a trap?

[OldLadyKnowsNothing]

[Caron1968]

Mathanxiety

I hold no particular views on "wimmin".
I have worked in a female dominated workplace since 1987 (nursing) and prior to that 10 years in a male dominated workplace (the Army).
I was brought up as a child to believe in honesty, trust, fairness and equality. I was taught at an early age that we all did our fair share of jobs around the house, my brother and my sister did the same jobs no supposedly gebder based tasks were allocated eg my sister mowed the lawn and I and my brother would iron. Now before anyone leaps on that sentence, in the early seventies as a child even I knew that there was a gender inequality. Boys at school would take the piss because I could iron.
Sorry I have to go now, dd is crying for her bottle so I will post later.

[Truckulent]

Why was my OP 'misguided'?

[Caron1968]

Hi Truck. Misguided in the sense of terminology. "a seething mass of contempt" would appear inflammatory on predominately female site. I agree that sometimes we as men seem to get a bollock bashing but it is invariably due to a small minority of men who are acting like complete dickheads. I do find that there is a small amount of hypocrisy on this site especially seen on this thread, constantly reminded that women are not labelling all men as Rapists etc, however informing us that all women are oppressed by a patriarchial society.
I would like to see more men on this site and as the logo says on the top "Mumsnet - by parents for parents" not "Mumsnet - by mums for mums".

[BootifulBernie]

Has nobody just told the OP to grow a pair? FFS.

Feminist theory is wasted on this twit.

[Truckulent]

Bernie- have you ever read any of my posts? A twit?
Grow a pair, is that implying being a man is better?
A bit sexist surely?

Or did you mean breasts?

[Mumcentreplus]

moobs?

[Caron1968]

I am proud of my moobs!!!!!

[Caron1968]

I'm not really!!!!

[BootifulBernie]

I think you know what I meant.

[mathanxiety]

Fair enough Caron. I thought you were being a bit dismissive with your reference to Morris Dancing. (This is because I consider Morris Dancing to be a bit ridiculous in and of itself, not to mention lumped in with all the rest)

However, oppression can manifest itself in a number of ways, not just rape, as you seem to equate the two. Your comment that gendered allocation of jobs exists and happens (and used to happen) in families and in the workplace (nursing a women-dominated profession) is an indication of a society that seems to be operating under certain rules when it comes to roles for men and for women. Feminists see this as 'patriarchy'.

[Truckulent]

No I don't please explain.

[Caron1968]

This thread seems to have died a death.

[GabbyLoggon]

Does any kow the rough percentages of men and women on mumsnt.

I assume women are the vast majority

[FindingMyMojo]

there was a MN census taken not long ago but I can't find it.

[FindingMyMojo]

2009 MN census

[Truckulent]

I'm Spartacus!