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This is going to upset you:outrageous benefit cheats.

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GabbyLoggon Fri 15-Oct-10 13:18:53

The bizarre benefits cheats who are caught on film make me laugh.

You will have seen the following:

The one filmed running in a marathon and staring at the camera.

The older bloke playing football very vigorously.

The recent one driving a van whilst claiming
incapacity.

The running linesman doing a good job on incapacity.

The golfer playing a nifty round.

AMumInScotland Fri 15-Oct-10 13:22:37

Not sure of your point here? Yes, some people cheat on benefits, and are investigated and caught. Does anyone claim that never happens? hmm

slhilly Fri 15-Oct-10 13:23:36

What you won't have seen on film:
- The decision by HMRC not to pursue Vodafone for £6bn of taxes that it appeared to be owed
- The Monaco home of the tax-avoider that the government brought in to root out government waste
- The cases of fine wines and other luxury goods with which financiers have been paid their bonuses in past years, to avoid paying income tax
- etc et bloody cetera

All of which costs us a damnded sight more than the benefits cheats

bubbleOseven Fri 15-Oct-10 13:24:25

Why would it upset us if benefit cheats are caught?

What's your point?

Glitterknickaz Fri 15-Oct-10 13:25:15

nice one, slhilly grin

bubbleOseven Fri 15-Oct-10 13:25:37

What, it's ok for people to cheat the benefits system because vodafone owe the government money?

Grow up.

altinkum Fri 15-Oct-10 13:25:58

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

mayorquimby Fri 15-Oct-10 13:26:42

"The Monaco home of the tax-avoider that the government brought in to root out government waste"

surely that's exactly the sort of person you want in charge of such a procedure.
someone who knows the system and makes sensible decisions on how to invest their money.

expatinscotland Fri 15-Oct-10 13:26:46

gabby's back!

oh, btw, just so you know, there hasn't been 'incapacity' for over a year.

it's called employment support allowance.

PoorlyConstructed Fri 15-Oct-10 13:28:37

I love how we always get stories of this type (from the Daily Mail et al) but we never hear about all the people who are genuinely entitled to all kinds of help but struggle on without it because they don't realise they're entitled or they're too scared they'll get it and then told they weren't entitled and have to pay it all back.

For example, I got tax credits when they first came out but they miscalculated and overpaid me. I queried this with them multiple times and they assured me it was right. Then they said, 'actually no, it's not, you owe us £3000'. From that point on I stopped claiming and slowly paid them back because I was terrified of it happening again. In hindsight, I should have claimed, but I never wanted to be that vulnerable again. Now that I'm done with university and have a good income I'm no longer entitled to them, but I did struggle for years as a single parent on a very low income. In hindsight, I think I should also have gotten HB, but I didn't know so I stumped up far more than 1/2 my monthly income in rent every month and pondered how I was going to afford to feed both of us.

I don't want some kind of martyr's medal. Obviously we survived. However, it worries me that there are a lot of vulnerable people going without and their situation isn't likely to be as temporary as mine was.

electra Fri 15-Oct-10 13:35:18

Oh dear.

The point is Gabby, that in every aspect of life there are cheats. Benefit cheats are not the only cheats so why are you specifically getting worked up about them and not about

the fact that we have to pay extra for everything we buy to cover the cost of shoplifting?

the fact that people lie on their CV and get jobs they weren't technically qualified for?

Cheats are doing so at their own risk. I concentrate on doing the right thing so my conscience is clear.

But do I like to spend time becoming embittered about the wrongs of others? No.

theywillgrowup Fri 15-Oct-10 13:35:23

philip green makes my blood boil with all his going ons

cant for the life of me understand how he makes so much money,every time i go in BHS its dead and over priced,would rather pay a few pounds more and shop in marks

must make his profit from Top Shop and the others,vile man

theywillgrowup Fri 15-Oct-10 13:36:59

sorry of topic then

proudnscary Fri 15-Oct-10 13:42:42

What the fecking aida is the point of this thread? What electra said.

PoorlyConstructed Fri 15-Oct-10 13:48:33

There isn't a point, she just wants to upset people.

There isn't even an AIBU question posed.

However, I'd be quite happy to hear tales of people who have been taken of disability benefits because of over-zealous --bonus-seeking-- assessors but who are too exhausted/scared/unknowledgeable to appeal, or vulnerable old people who are so confused by our deliberately byzantine benefits system that they really don't know that they'd be entitled to enough money to live on if only they could understand the forms. Somehow these stories don't seem to be as appealing to media as the minority of people who want to cheat the system.

Glitterknickaz Fri 15-Oct-10 13:51:49

Or tales of multiple disabled people turned down for DLA (some amputees) cos they figure most won't try appealing so they'll save some money.... and if you think that doesn't happen you're a bit naive...

electra Fri 15-Oct-10 13:51:50

indeed pc

MrsFlittersnoop Fri 15-Oct-10 13:56:44

Ok Gabby, read THIS thread currently in active convos.

Why don't you join in and have a gloat over there?

cory Fri 15-Oct-10 14:08:48

There is a difference in that people who start posts about benefit cheats intend this to say something about benefit claimants in general- and this is how it is generally understood.

Whereas if I were to start a thread about say, student plagiarism (which is well known to be rife), noone would take that as a reflection on all those thousands of graduates who actually deserve the degrees they've got.

It is only poor people, or disabled people, who are smeared with other people's dishonesty.

ScaryMoaningArrrggghhhs Fri 15-Oct-10 14:13:33

Actewal Real Facts

cheers

oh and

benefit cheaters are theieves

yes arrest them

benefits are often extremely hard to access for those who need them- witness the very existence of the disability tribunal system, NAS campiagns concerned about people with ASD being forced into those tribunals as they are struggling to prove their disability to new assessors....... there's no one way anyone is having it

ShirleyGarrote Fri 15-Oct-10 14:15:04

HOORAY!

It's my favourite poster back again!

Hello Gabbey you lovely little ruffler of feathers.

GabbyLoggon Fri 15-Oct-10 14:34:15

WORKED UP? Just the opposite I am telling you I find the films hilarious

Its a class thing with me, with bankers I would be severe.

The cove who did vigorous floor dancing on Britains Got Talent..amused me.

The point is I am not shocked by benefit cheats .

I am shocked by the number of people who should be claiming and are not.

PoorlyConstructed Fri 15-Oct-10 14:40:40

surely chat is the place for sharing things you find hilarious. Posting in AIBU implies you're irate in some way.

ScaryMoaningArrrggghhhs Fri 15-Oct-10 14:44:20

Now, wrt to should be claiming you have a point; there is a benefit I should be claiming, we didnt for as long as we could avoid and now I am simply too exhausted to do it. Another poster on here ahs found same thing- both of us carers.

Plenty of elderly people too.

Catch the cheats and get those who should to claim.

PoorlyConstructed Fri 15-Oct-10 14:47:40

Can we be quite angry with the governments who have purposefully devised a complex, bureaucratic system so as to put as many people off claiming as possible?

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