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will ds really refuse dairy free formula like hv said?

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ariane5 Mon 22-Apr-13 21:40:21

Ds2 was 1 last week.

He has cmp/egg allergy. Waiting for an appt to get a dairy free milk prescribed. HV previously had said try aptamil pepti as its the nicest and hopefully he will not react to it or will need diff formula.

Got him weighed and saw her today and she said he will prob completely refuse the dairy free formula when we try it as he is too old?

Surely that's rubbish-babies try new foods/drinks all the time, some they like some they don't?? Ds1 had neocate from 5mths and dd2 neocate from 7mths then changed to alpro 1+ at 18 mths old no problem.

Up untill now he has been bf and had a small amount of alpro but too much upset his tummy so we stopped giving it.

Does anybody have any experience of introducing dairy free formula to a 1 year old or is it same as for younger babies? I really thought that when we got some he would try it and gradually get used to it but hv seemed sure that he won't like it??

JedwardScissorhands Tue 23-Apr-13 07:11:38

thereinmadness buffalo milk can be ok for CMPI. Our Sainsburys has it. Quite expensive (£1.99 for 750 mls) but worth it.

OP could you not just buy a vitamin supplement? Neocate etc are vile.

ariane5 Tue 23-Apr-13 09:19:20

Its not just the vitamins its the fats and everything else I think I am worrying too much as ds1 has had a very difficult time with food/weight/illness and I don't want ds2 to go the same way (he is identical build etc to ds1-very small) .

MERLYPUSS Tue 23-Apr-13 09:30:58

I know very little about CMP intollerance other than OH cant have cow's as it makes him itch - no other symptoms but he knows if he's overdone it by having cheese or such.
At a year does your child need formular? The only reason I ask is because DTs love soya, sweetened or otherwise, and almond milk that OH has for tea and coffee.
Like I said, I appoliogise if I've something glaringly obvious.

Wheresmycaffeinedrip Tue 23-Apr-13 09:38:02

ari I think if he doesn't take the formula then the next best thing would be to go with the KOKO he did drink and supplement with vitamin drops. Then add extra calories and fats to his food. Coconut oil in porridge or olive oil in spaghetti Bol etc. perhaps look into stocking up on high calorie snacks. Nut butters on toast, hummus (u can add extra oil to that). Make rice pudding with oatly cream. Would he eat a curry with lots of thick creamy coconut milk ? X

Wheresmycaffeinedrip Tue 23-Apr-13 09:40:21

Ground nuts/flax seeds would also add extra protein

ariane5 Tue 23-Apr-13 10:59:00

I am not sure about curry he is still on very small amounts of food (completely smooth purees or teeny bits of grape/banana/cucumber/bread and sunflower spread).HV said he shouldn't still have reflux at all at a year old but he can't tolerate much food at all.

He did seem to like the koko (so did ds1!) So might use that for now. Avoiding nuts for now as gp said to wait till he has allergy tests as ds1 has problems with brazil/cashew nuts.

Wheresmycaffeinedrip Tue 23-Apr-13 11:13:20 would something like this but made really really smooth be any good?

Again u can stir in extra oil and beans are very good for you. ( just trying to think of how to max out fat and mineral intake in small amounts x )

You can get cans of extra thick and creamy coconut milk. Mix a bit in with the KOKO perhaps?

I'm on my phone so can't scroll back very easily, have you seem a dietitian for him?

ariane5 Tue 23-Apr-13 11:19:40

No we are waiting for the appointment but It will probably take a few weeks.

Will try and get some of the oatly cream/coconut cream it sounds like it would be quite good.
That recipe sounds ideal I might try it, also think he would like hummus too so will give that a try.I am just really aware that he is suddenly looking thin and a lot smaller than friends babies who are 7/8 mths old. He has had a lot of infections lately and currently on anti b so I want to build him up and make sure his diet isn't lacking in anything.

Wheresmycaffeinedrip Tue 23-Apr-13 11:22:12

Perhaps look into some probiotics for him too. Those ABs won't be doing his tummy any good sad had the dr ruled out any medical reason for his inability to tolerate food?

simpson Tue 23-Apr-13 11:25:53

DD went onto neocate at 10 months with no problems, she even liked it! Odd child! grin

She is now 5 and tolerates lacto free milk.

ariane5 Tue 23-Apr-13 11:31:49

He does have other health problems (EDS and pectus excavatum which affects his chest) but doctors say it is unrelated to food problem.

He had severe reflux and would often set his apnoea alarm off as a small baby due to it. He has never tolerated solid food well and vomits a lot.

Wheresmycaffeinedrip Tue 23-Apr-13 11:35:19

Sounds like that's something that needs looking into. It's easy to put it down to reflux as a baby but usually when they up right and walking about and eating solids it usually stops or certainly lessens. Perhaps you need to go back and insist on an X-ray x

ariane5 Tue 23-Apr-13 11:51:11

I think I might ask them to look at him again as its a real problem I try to give him more sometimes but he gags then everything comes back. He does that if I have dairy and bf feed him but if I drink coffee and feed him he is violently sick so he def has triggers. Any food that's too thick does it too but little tiny bits of grape/cuc etc ok. Banana he gags on but manages and bread too. He always has a cough too and sounds 'rattly' poor thing.

Will ask for x ray, it can't do any harm to have a proper check thankyou.

Wheresmycaffeinedrip Tue 23-Apr-13 11:56:42

I really hope they can help him. Sounds like you need a break from feeding him all the time and its not normal
For him to be struggling to eat sad now that he's one and they can't use the " food for fun" line hopefully they will do something . I will keep my fingers crossed for u and your little ds xx

BedHanger Tue 23-Apr-13 11:58:02

A little left field perhaps, but what about homemade chicken/beef bone broth? And Yy to coconut products - fantastic source of healthy fats.

ariane5 Tue 23-Apr-13 12:01:31

Ds does love pureed chicken casserole (he has it with potatoes and carrots and watered down so its v thin).

Where do I get coconut products? Health food shop or will supermarkets sell them ?

Wheresmycaffeinedrip Tue 23-Apr-13 12:07:56

Coconut oil is available in holland and barret and the oat cream. And the supermarket should stock the thick and creamy tinned coconut milk.

BedHanger Tue 23-Apr-13 12:34:21

Great - bone broths are highly nutritious and cheap (do you have a butcher nearby? They will sometimes give you the bones/carcasses for free). Crack the larger bones with pliers, chuck in a pot with carrot, onion, celery, add a dash of vinegar to help draw the minerals out the bones, cover with water and cook over a low heat for at least 10-12hrs.

After cooking, you can also bang the marrow out of the larger bones onto a wooden chopping board and feed DS that too.

IMO, better for bone (and all round) health than dairy anyway!

Runningblue Tue 23-Apr-13 15:10:24

At the height of ds's slow introduce to foods- he kept coming up in hives- i used to make casserole- stewing meat like lamb or beef, cooked with carrots, parsnips, onions and a prune or two, or apricots, topped with water and cooked slowly for 3 ish hours. I thrn used to puree some of the veg with the drained liquid to make gravy, then added back to the pot with the meat and veg. It turned out really well, and didnt need flour to thicken it. Full of goodness...

hwhite6 Tue 23-Apr-13 17:56:38

Ariane, I might be barking up the wrong tree completely or sticking my nose in, but has anyone mentioned Eosinophilic Esophagitis (EoE)?
I'm not sure it's easily diagnosed over here yet, but its becoming more common in the states now (that's where most of the info/details currently come from anyway). It certainly sounds like your ds2 has more going on than just a dairy allergy... Hope you get it sorted quickly.

TinyDiamond Tue 23-Apr-13 18:55:47

after 1 year they can have neocate active. it comes in regular or black current flavour. did has blackcurrant. yes, bit weird but much more palatable. its still white powder like the others and comes in sachets rather than a tin

MistyB Tue 23-Apr-13 20:22:11

If he doesn't take to nutrimigen, you can get the essential fats in other ways. Look at the nutritional content and see what it is you think you are missing, it might not be as difficult to find from other sources as you think.

If you are breast feeding, you mentioned drinking milk, are you completely avoiding as it will be passing through. It does sound like there are other things going on that need looking into. The gagging could be something else passing through your breast milk. Before my DS was diagnosed with peanut allergy, he used to gag and in hindsight I can pinpoint a number of occasions when it was after I had eaten peanuts. And with everything else you have said, I think I would be avoiding wheat too.

I've just had a consultation for my DS's analysing their fat levels and advising where we needed to supplement and how so allow me to share
Myristic Acid from Coconut oil
Oleic Acid from olive / sesame oils (though sesame is a frequent culprit for allergies)
LNA: walnut, flax, rapeseed
EPA: fish
DHA: fish
Linoleic acid: sunflower and walnut oil
GLA: borage oil
DGLA and AA - but we were ok so I don't know what the sources of these are.

He suggested mixing the oils and using the mix on vegetables, stirred into cooked rice, on salad but as small boys don't each much salad, that doesn't happen!!

We use the vegan omega swirl from Barleans as is it super easy to give and I also mix in probiotics.

It sounds like you are having a really tough time. Wishing you all the strength you need to look after your babies. I hope your health professionals find some answers to help you. xx

ariane5 Tue 23-Apr-13 22:16:34

Ds1 had something called eosinophilic pustullar folliculitis as a baby- his whole scalp was literally a mass of festering sores and boils at the age of 3 months old, it was treated for 2 months as impetigo then after blood tests, swabs, cultures for fungal infections a rast test was done and as soon as cows milk removed from his diet it cleared up in just over a week it was amazing.
I did not know eosinophilic (what is that???) Can cause other problems too I will try and look it up.

Yes I have now cut all dairy out of my diet, before I had just cut down and was having milk in just 2 cups of tea a day but then cut that out too.

Ds1 has neocate advance and I have been tempted to give ds2 some as gp wouldn't prescribe yet for him but then I didn't want to give it unnecessarily as he might not be as severly allergic as ds1 and possibly could tolerate the pepti? Dd2 is certainly not as allergic as ds1 so I am not sure what to do about ds2.

Info about all the types of fats is great I think he is missing out on a lot. I am bf him loads but I am run down so doubt my milk is the best quality.

GirlOutNumbered Tue 23-Apr-13 22:20:58

I breastfed for 13 months and then son went straight onto calcium enriched oatly milk. Dietician had no issues with it. Lots of cultures dont drink cows milk.
You should ensure though that they are having a good and balanced diet.

My youngest son also has CMP and I have never been able to give him nutramigen. He actually cries and Ive flavoured it with everything!!!

MistyB Tue 23-Apr-13 22:27:07

I googled the wrong milk - sorry.

You can (and should!! It's amazing how we forget ourselves in all this looking after our children business, they need us to look after them and for that, we need to be healthy!!) supplement your own diet too. Double whammy of you being stronger and it passing through to your breast milk.

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