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New to dairy free. Hold my hand!

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PickledMoomin Wed 02-Jan-13 19:01:12

New year, new start. Have been advised to trial DS (3) on a dairy free diet for a month.

I'm going to try him with Tesco own brand multigrain hoops and Quakers sachet with golden syrup. I can't find any dairy protein ingredient in them- does anyone know if they are safe?

I was told that Helman's mayo was dairy free but there is a cream powder in it. I've bought a Heinz one.

Can anyone recommend a gravy?

PickledMoomin Sat 12-Jan-13 17:54:26

Thank you so much for these suggestions. Makes a big difference to talk to others who are in the same situation.
I'll look into the cheese- and def try and see a dietician.

monkeymamma Sat 12-Jan-13 14:17:23

Oh and co yo coconut milk yogurts are amazing! Ds can't get enough, they are lovely and full fat which is great if you are worried about making up enough calories and have no added sugar. They are expensive and we have to order them specially from our local health food shop but worth every penny and much tastier than soya yoghurt.

I also meant to say, obviously I can't comment at all on your ds as his problem is likely totally different to my ds so don't want to be pushy with advice or anything, but our dietician did mention that lacto free cheese etc is no good if the problem is cows milk protein rather than lactose, these products still contain cmp. But if you talk to a dietician they can help you loads with this stuff. Sorry, hope that did not sound too know-it-all on my part, just thought it was helpful to mention!

And it's great news your ds is feeling better. Mine is a different boy since we made the switch, so much more chilled and happy :-)

monkeymamma Sat 12-Jan-13 14:11:55

Ds (now 11mo) was having bad problems with his bowel around 4,5,6 months and we tried dairy (then soya, then egg) free diet (first for me as he was ebf, then for him once he weaned iyswim). We still don't know for sure but assume he was suffering from intolerance (interestingly the blood allergy tests didn't show any actual allergies, but the paed said could still be intolerance). We are now reintroducing although numerous colds, viruses and bouts of d and v over winter have delayed this a bit so for the time being he still does without all those foods as do I while still bf. Early on I asked to be referred to a dietician and she is wonderful. She is happy for us to call her any time with questions, worries etc and she provided excellent checklists to help with label checking etc. as well as recipes and meal ideas. I would definitely, definitely recommend you ask to see one if you think the dairy free diet is making a difference.

Ds has never tasted cheese so doesn't miss it, but he has lots of ham, hummus, banana and bread with pure (sunflower). He also likes peanut butter although I don't let him have too much! Meal ideas - there are loads of great recipes online you can try huge other day I made a cheese less lasagna which was surprisingly tasty! He likes trout pasta (just smoked trout cooked with courgette, mushrooms and olive oil then mixed with pasta) and today tried lamb mince bolognaise. Oat milk makes a great white sauce, coconut milk is ace for Thai style dishes including rice pudding (mix coconut milk, pudding rice, sugar and cardamom pods and cook for about an hour), yum. Tesco also sell a chocolate oat milk in their uht milk section which you can warm through to make hot chocolate. You can also use birds custard powder (the old fashioned kind, not instant powder which does contain milk) with eg coconut milk to make delicious custard. (Tis is more for me than ds as hes still not 1 yet, but I let him try it as a special treat!). I've found some great vegan bake recipes on line so plan to batch cook and freeze some cakes etc for him, eg mini carrot muffins.

Bread is one of the hardest as so many contain milk/soya but Waitrose stoneground whole meal is free of both and our favourite.

I can't comment at all about the movicol, definitely worth discussing with his doctor if you can. But I would say (ahem, tmi alert) that without dairy (and I used to be a cheese addict!) my, ahem, system, is a lot less sluggish (to use the euphemism favoured by constipation remedy adverts) than it used to be.

Whoa, long post! But I hope some of it is helpful!

PickledMoomin Fri 11-Jan-13 20:41:12

What a difference a week makes!

He's still sleeping through (still feel exhausted) and his appetite is amazing.

He had lots of loose stools so I've stopped the movicol. Is this too soon? He went to the toilet today and was fine. Normally after two days without movicol he's crying and uncomfortable.
This can't be coincidental, can it?

PickledMoomin Sun 06-Jan-13 18:35:46

Would have been useful to have seen a dietician before starting. Will see what the consultant suggests.

He ate lactose free cheese for dinner on toast. I had a nibble and it wasn't too bad

trixymalixy Sun 06-Jan-13 17:32:56

The dietician we saw was pretty crap. She recommended rice milk and had never heard it was now not suitable for under 4s due to the arsenic content. I was hmm.

PickledMoomin Sun 06-Jan-13 16:32:51

I'm guessing it'll be a long time before we reintroduce milk if it's working this well so far.

Is it worth seeing a dietician? Consultant said he'd refer us if dairy free made a difference but I've done lots of reading and am trying to get green leafy veg and added calcium into him.

trixymalixy Sun 06-Jan-13 15:53:48

We reintroduced soya about a year later. He said it was giving him a sore tummy so we kept him off it again for a further 6 months iirc and then he seemed fine with it. I tried to keep soya to a minimum so he only really had soya yoghurts and ice cream and we used oat and other milks rather than soya.

PickledMoomin Sun 06-Jan-13 14:34:18

I'm so pleased!

Have you reintroduced soya? Or do you have plans to?

trixymalixy Sun 06-Jan-13 12:55:11

That's great pickled!! DS was a terrible sleeper. The day we cut out soya he slept through and from then on was a great sleeper. I guess you have your answer!!

clorna NICE guidelines do not recommend pseudo science such as kinesiology for allergy/intolerance testing.

PickledMoomin Sun 06-Jan-13 12:42:08

Day 6 and the child who usually has no appetite is polishing off everything on his plate. He's also slept through every night since being dairy free- he normally wakes up to five times.
He had loose stools last night so I'm wondering whether to reduce the movicol?
Is this coincidental? It can't be, surely?

PickledMoomin Thu 03-Jan-13 18:36:01

I'm off to find some vegusto! grin

PickledMoomin Thu 03-Jan-13 18:34:44

The paediatrician didn't mention any allergy testing to us, just a month trial of dairy free. He's currently taking movicol for constipation (which we're continuing with) and his appetite already seems to be improving.

From birth (EBF) he had green diarrhoea many times a day, and a peri oral rash when dairy was introduced. He's always been slight, but has steadily gained weight so the doctors have never been too concerned.

I'm hoping the constipation subsides and we can reduce/remove the need for movicol.

newyearnewattitude Thu 03-Jan-13 12:04:20

we were referred to a paediatrician at the hospital and they did blood tests which showed DD was allergic to cows milk protein and soya protein (apparently its very similar) and so we are now dairy and soya free and hoping she will grow out of it but it's not likely as she is now 3 (and finally gaining weight and has lost the eczema on her face)

We use Oat milk (not recommended to use rice milk under 5) and waitrose do a normal loaf of bread that is dairy and soya free. We use the 'Pure' sunflower spread as butter and her nursery are fab at cooking her meals to meet her needs. I use coconut milk in things like curries and she has Jelly instead of yoghurts. Bourbon biscuits are also dairy free which is a bonus!

The only problem is they have to have been eating the dairy prior to the blood tests so that may be your next step, if he improves without dairy you can either just keep him off it or ask for a paed appointment and put him back on dairy for 3-4 weeks before....

clorna Thu 03-Jan-13 11:29:46

sorry if I have suggested something wrong but my DD also had skin prick as my GP didn't believe she was allergic to the things I said so we went through the whole process of skin prick and they say at the end of it Oh she seems to be allergic to cows milk!!

JoleneB Thu 03-Jan-13 08:48:37

Allergy testing will only give results for an IgE allergy, non IgE allergy and intolerance will not show up in tests, the only way to diagnose is by elimination diet and later food challenge. If the consultant has advised dairy free to allow the gut to heal just go with it, there would be no point in testing. Cheese wise see if you can get some Vegusto, it's the closest to real cheese, available from health food shops and online via their own website, the links are on the page I linked too.

PickledMoomin Thu 03-Jan-13 01:41:52

DS appears to be intolerant to dairy rather than allergic. Would this show on a pin price test?
The main reason for going dairy free now is to see if his bow repairs. He may not even be intolerant anymore, but the consultant said his bowel would have been damaged by three years of dairy.

trixymalixy Wed 02-Jan-13 22:54:48

Kinesiology as preformed by the woman that clorna linked to is quackery. Your GP will be able to refer you for skin prick or blood tests. With skin prick testing they drop a solution containing the allergen onto the skin and prick with a scalpel type thing, it doesn't hurt according to my DC. You then wait to see if there is a reaction.

trixymalixy Wed 02-Jan-13 22:45:04

Dont pay for an allergy test, ask your GP to refer you.

Generally the labelling is reliable although I know that after eights for example contain butterfat but only say may contain on the label, so probably safest to check.

My dairy allergic DS eats Quakers porridge with no problems. We use bisto beef gravy, but be careful as most chicken gravies seem to contain milk for some reason.

PickledMoomin Wed 02-Jan-13 22:18:10

I'll have a look into that. Thanks!

clorna Wed 02-Jan-13 21:25:46

I used
but as you may not be local you will have to find someone in your area. If you look up the website you will be able to read about the method she uses for testing.

PickledMoomin Wed 02-Jan-13 21:14:21

How do they test? And how do you go about having them tested?
We recently found out from blood tests that he was anaemic due to poor absorption and his eosinophils (allergy strand) were elevated.

clorna Wed 02-Jan-13 21:09:13

I would suggest you find a local allergy testing person as this is how I found out what was causing my DD's allergic reations. She is able to have sheeps cheese and so I buy Sainsburys Parlick Fell sheeps cheese. She adores it, it isn't cheddar but it is a nice alternative. But this won't help you if your DS is allergic to sheeps milk.

PickledMoomin Wed 02-Jan-13 20:57:53

Cheese. He adores cheddar.

clorna Wed 02-Jan-13 20:52:58

I would say it is, but I do sometimes just check all the ingredients. What sort of things are you not finding that your little one is missing?

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