My feed
Premium

Please
or
to access all these features

Here are some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on adoption.

Adoption

Contact being late.

35 replies

OurMiracle1106 · 23/08/2017 20:03

Just that really. I've noticed over last couple of letters that my sons parents (I'm his birth mum) have been shorter and had less information within them. Last time there was also no drawing etc which is normal once a year and was due which i let go.

Before they have always been on time or a day or 2 late but nothing major and it's been social services causing the delays however this time it's over 2 weeks late and still no sign of it.

Is it possible they've decided to stop contact all together? And what are my rights if they do? I've consistently written back. Never written anything inappropriate but have swerved personal questions such as what job and what company as I feel my son whose 7 wouldn't be asking specifics however I did say I work in an admin type role

How long do I wait before re contacting social worker? Do I wait the full 4 week time frame taking me to mine being due?

OP posts:
Report
UnderTheNameOfSanders · 23/08/2017 20:33

This must be really frustrating for you.

A few things spring to mind:

Our letterbox is designated to a month rather than a date. Sometimes I get the letter off at the start of the month, sometimes right at the end. this isn't about not caring, but more to do with wanting to get the wording just right.

We have always asked our DDs whether they want to include anything. DD1 always used to want to, but needed time to think about it. She generally needed reminding at least a couple of times. I had to tread a fine line between nagging her (which I didn't feel was right) and not reminding (which would result in it not being done). With DD2 when younger it was a point of catching her in the right frame of mind. I could normally tell when she would / wouldn't want to do something, so for a drawing which I wanted to be nicely done it might take a bit of time to catch her awake enough (so normally weekends) and in the right mood.

August is the summer holidays. I could well imagine that they have gone away and are planning to do it on their return, or they have got it in to SS, but the relevant SW is away so hasn't checked it and passed it on yet.

I see no harm in you ringing up SS (so you know they have heard you) and asking them whether anything has been received yet. But maybe wait until after the bank holiday if you can bear to?

Report
luckylucky24 · 23/08/2017 20:33

There could be many reasons why its late. It is the summer holidays for a start so they could be busy, perhaps on holiday and have not got round to it. I would give another 2 weeks and then contact the SW.

I wouldn't push for a drawing wither. He may not want to do it now he is getting older. (No idea what age they stop doing drawings for people btw, just a thought).

Report
UnderTheNameOfSanders · 23/08/2017 20:36

re Length of letters. How much do they write? I do a typed page of A4 covering both DC. It would have been easier to write more when they were younger as they change more, but I decided a length I thought I could sustain so as to not have the disappointment you are having.

Report
OurMiracle1106 · 23/08/2017 21:30

The last letter was a paragraph on my son and the rest was questions about my life where I was working whether I still lived in the same place, what job I did, whether I had been on holiday.

I haven't pushed for a drawing as I understand that as my son gets older he might not draw anymore

I did ask his interests. Whether he has a favourite programme (he's 7) how he's doing at school.

Our contact is due on an exact date, or within 4 weeks. My concern is that as if I don't get it until September first of all I won't have chance to write back (I'm on leave at the moment as term time only) and secondly they could refuse it- social worker has said they will only correspond when Contact is due.

OP posts:
Report
bostonkremekrazy · 23/08/2017 22:58

we only have a month when we have to write - having a date is unusual i think, especially during the busy summer hols....

There is no harm in you calling the letterbox co-ordinator and asking if your letter is there....
we recently found out cards had been sat there for a few weeks before the co-ordinator had packaged them up and sent them on....meaning our children had them a month late....no idea why as bfamily had sent them on time. very annoying of SS!

our children no longer include drawings, they used to but the older they got, they decided they didn't want to....but they ask questions, and are happy to say we went here on holiday, we play violin now, we got a new swimming badge etc.
it is hard making them come alive on the page, but we do try hard.
we only do one paragraph per child...it is hard to write more than that, but we try to think of the things birth parents would like to hear.

dont worry about them not accepting your letter, if there's is late of course yours will also be late in response.
if i were you i'd give a quick ring for your peace of mind.

hope that helps, and i hope there is a letter in the pipe line, i think i remember you worrying last year too Flowers

Report
tictoc76 · 23/08/2017 23:15

I am coming from the other side and am an adoptive parent. I find it really hard to find out where I should send my contact letters and despite being a couple of years down the line I still don't know where contact letter should be going and just mail to everyone I know at the local authority in the hope it makes its way to birth mother. I also know another adoptive parent who has been writing for 4 years and still the letters have never been officially acknowledged by LA so she has no idea if they have ever made their way to birth parents but has never had any response.

Unfortunately contact is really hard from both sides. If you have a proper contact push them to contact birth parents - I think most adoptive parents are very open to contact.

Report
Alltheusernamesaretaken321 · 23/08/2017 23:26

As the others have said, a gentle nudge can't do any harm with a quick call. I know of a child where both BP and AP both thought the others weren't bothering but it was that the letters were sitting waiting. The co-ordinator had left the job and this child's LB arrangement had slipped through the net. It was only when BMs mum who did the LB called to ask if there had been any letters the mistake was realised. I'd imagine it's hard for you to sit and wait while at the same time being worried that it might have been forgotten or APs had decided not to write this time for whatever reason. I really hope it's the first one and as others have said, it's the holidays which is probably much more of an issue now your BS is 7. Sounds as though APs are taking a real interest in having info to share with your BS (despite questions possibly veering into feeling uncomfortable) which would indicate that they see the value in letterbox. That doesn't help you much when the letters mean so much to you and you're waiting and wondering Flowers

Report
B1rdonawire · 25/08/2017 13:46

Like PPs, we don't have a date to exhange letters, only a month - I aim for early in the month, if I can. It can be 2-3 months later before the letters from the birth family appear, and I think that's mainly admin time to be honest.

Like PPs I would definitely give a friendly call to the co-ordinating person. Our place seems to have a lot of turnover in that role, so the people change a lot and things do get missed - worth a call just to double-check that there are no issues with their system at the moment and that you have the right LA contact details.

Report
Laura25o6 · 06/09/2017 15:47

Hi I'm an adopter but no AO complete as yet. I'm our paperwork from the judge it states we have to do 1 letter a year. It's not up to us to stop this as it's in the child's best interest. We are fully aware this is a must and are happy to comply.
Could the OP request your letter contact to be stopped by any chance as if not I'd definitely get on to SW and find out what's happening. You are still the child's birth mother and this is your right. I take it you follow the rule by sending letters to your son? If so when your son is at age appropriate he will look through his memory box and start asking questions should his mum keep these letters.
Once ours start I will be sending birth family letters and photos.
Sorry if this doesn't make sense I just write as I speak. Hope you get a letter very soon xx

Report
donquixotedelamancha · 06/09/2017 18:11

@Laura25o6
"I'm an adopter but no AO complete as yet. I'm our paperwork from the judge it states we have to do 1 letter a year."

If you are in the UK it is very unusual to have contact specified as part of the AO. Usually it is entirely at the parent's discretion. If you are receiving paperwork from the judge pre AO then perhaps you are in a different situation than my own; but is it possible you are talking about paperwork from the LA, which is very different?

"You are still the child's birth mother and this is your right."

I do not wish to, in any way, denigrate the OP (I wish our children's BPs cared as much as she obviously does) but this is not the legal position. Once adopted, a child's new parent's are his parents, just like any others.

"It's not up to us to stop this as it's in the child's best interest."

Unless a contact order is made with the AO (doesn't sound like it in this case) then all decisions are made by parents. Post AO the SW and LA have no power over our children and our job is to weigh their best interest. Personally I think contact is important and worthwhile, but some adopters make a different choice, as is their right.

"Once ours start I will be sending birth family letters and photos."

It's unusual to send photos. Obviously I don't know your situation, but might I suggest posting on the Adoption UK site or trawling threads before making this choice? There are some pitfalls and it never hurts to get a range of viewpoints.

Report
donquixotedelamancha · 06/09/2017 18:17

@OurMiracle1106

I hope a lack of update means that you've received the letter. If not I think it's high time to start nagging those SWs and asking for some (very polite) enquiries of the child's parents.

Our letter is due in August (your LA is very efficient if it specifies a day and actually chases this). We sent our letter off a couple of weeks ago, it's always hard to write. Our LA still haven't done anything with it. The first letter was never sent to one of the BF and last year required a lot of chasing to make sure they all got sent. I would not assume delays indicate any change of mind on behalf of his parents.

Hope it all works out.

Report
OurMiracle1106 · 06/09/2017 19:05

Contact was specified as part of the placement order the judge ordered contact be twice yearly by letter box and that face to face contact be explored fully but should not prevent a placement from going ahead should adoptive parents not be in favour

My contact agreement from the local authority states "x and y will write a letter by x date of February and x date of august each year......."
Mine says "will respond to the letter by the x date of march and September"

I have been chasing the social worker but have no response to either of my emails. I'm feeling increasingly frustrated. Been glad I've been busy at work so not so much time to think about it and upset myself

OP posts:
Report
OurMiracle1106 · 06/09/2017 19:07

And post adoption order myself as a birth parent do have the power to ask for a contact order from the court and should contact be refused I would be doing so

OP posts:
Report
donquixotedelamancha · 06/09/2017 19:38

"Contact was specified as part of the placement order the judge"

Was that order made again at AO? If so, his parents have (in theory) no choice but to write. Or...

"birth parent do have the power to ask for a contact order from the court"

Do you mean going back to court to seek a contact order now? If so, I think that should be a very, very last resort.

I've read your comments on another thread and it sounds like you've done everything right. It's a real shame if your son's parents have stopped- do keep in mind, you don't know what's going on in their lives.

What you really want is a useful SW to have a proper chat with them and figure out what's going on. I think you want to speak to the SW on the phone, and if not them, their line manager. It's hard enough getting what you want across to adoptive parents when you have to use an intermediary.

I've found being really positive, but very specific works in the end with SW. You do have to chase up repeatedly, while throwing in stock positive phrases and emphasising its all about the child, so they don't take umbrage at your nagging.

I would recommend you write your letter anyway on the day it's due. Emphasise how much you respect their role (you clearly do) and how important these letter are to you.

Report
OurMiracle1106 · 06/09/2017 19:53

It wasn't mentioned at adoption order. I assumed it would have remained the same.
I completely see court as a last and desperate option. I am however considering speaking to a solicitor and getting them to chase the local authority. (Not adoptive parents just LA at this stage) I've had 4 years of stress and chasing the LA and now it would appear my sons parents are also lacking enthusiasm with Contact. I've done everything I can to be positive in my letters, to maintain contact etc no matter how emotional it has been for me but yet social services fail to provide any feedback or support.
I'm lost as to what I can do now. I just want to know my son is ok. He will be either back at school or going back and I just feel so proud but emotional that I know nothing since February and the letter then was way too brief.

A friend has seen and read the letters and agrees they are becoming less informative. I feel blocked out not by his parents but by social services.

I am at the point of either contact needs to be regular and consistent for my child and my sake or needs to be stopped as it's just going to be damaging for both of us in the long term not knowing when it's coming etc and cause stress. After 4 years you would hope the creases had been ironed out. But they haven't. They are getting worse.

OP posts:
Report
Bostonkremekrazy · 06/09/2017 20:17

Sorry to read you've still not had contact - I hope you can find a SW in your corner who can help. Is there a letterbox co-ordinator who handles this for both parties?
We are adopters who write every year and only had a reply the first year....very sad.....

Report
Laura25o6 · 06/09/2017 20:55

@donquixotedelamancha
Hi when we got matched with our children, they still have had the AO granted, they had been relinquished by BM so we had a few months to wait for this. They had had contact monthly with their siblings while with previous FC. We are now FfA and today we had linking panel and are continuing. Anyway the judge had originally stated prior the children being placed with us, they had to have letter box contact once a year with BM and BSD to which we won't deny. And it said we have to send a photo of said children once every few years but it doesn't have to be an updated one. We should hopefully by end of October have full guardianship and be the children's forever family. Our LA will help us lodge our paperwork ready for our next panel date.
Hope that makes sense. Also I'm in the UK.

Report
donquixotedelamancha · 06/09/2017 21:14

@Laura25o6

Yeah, I thought the difference might be FtA, but there was a post not so long ago (on here I think, but might be wrong) from someone who really didn't understand the difference between court orders and SW opinions.

Congrats on your children. You must be hitting that really knackered phase by now. I have no idea if it ever ends :-)

Report
Laura25o6 · 06/09/2017 21:23

@donquixotedelamancha

It was probably mine as I used to get confused

Yes very straining but well worth the wait x

Report
OurMiracle1106 · 09/09/2017 14:48

I've finally got a response from social worker. Still hasn't arrived. Check again next week.

My sons parents have asked whether they can move summer contact to September as august is very busy for them. This I understand, however as I am term time only September is a ridiculously busy month for myself work wise so I am wondering whether it would be unreasonable to suggest it's changed to July instead as September doesn't fit with my work schedule?

I haven't mentioned to either social worker or adoptive parents that I am term time only to safeguard myself.

OP posts:
Report
UnderTheNameOfSanders · 09/09/2017 15:06

I think Sept/Oct & March/April would be pretty good times.

In the autumn they can tell you how he has settled into new class, and stuff they did in the summer. And then March is about 6mnths from that and can include Christmas stuff too.
Ongoing, March/April doesn't impact school exams in the way May or June might.

However it does also depend on when his birthday is, as they may wish to avoid just either side of that.

To be honest July might not be great either, if you work in a school (you said term time), then you know how hectic the last 3 weeks of term can get.

If they send by end Sept, and you reply by end Oct would that work for you?

Report
OurMiracle1106 · 09/09/2017 16:54

The thing with end of September is not only is it ridiculous at work but it's also an highly emotional time for myself and taking time off to go and collect contact would be near impossible as I'm only allowed to view photos which are sent with this contact.

Therefore I was thinking maybe beginning of July would better and January. Just after his birthday and x mas?

It's a very complex situation and I feel it needs to be thought through before I agree to anything

OP posts:
Report

Don’t want to miss threads like this?

Weekly

Sign up to our weekly round up and get all the best threads sent straight to your inbox!

Log in to update your newsletter preferences.

You've subscribed!

OurMiracle1106 · 09/09/2017 16:57

But maybe October and April could be an alternative?

With half term and Easter holidays I would be able to go and collect contact. However I'm not sure if beginning of October and April are busy months for his parents?

OP posts:
Report
Iamthestorm · 09/09/2017 18:50

I think October and April sound great. It all sounds so hard and I greatly admire your courage and tenacity, I only wish my child's birth parents were able to reply, even once.

Report
OurMiracle1106 · 15/09/2017 14:53

After waiting and chasing constantly today I made the decision to write to my birth son without having received a letter

I am now feeling as though I am unlikely to get contact from them this time (they have been preparing it for 3 weeks now) so made the decision to maintain consistency as I feel especially as my son gets older this will become very important

I emailed over my letter this afternoon but have heard nothing back as yet.

Feeling very sad Sad I won't get to see a photo of my son or hear how he's doing

OP posts:
Report
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.