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What is/should pupil premium be spent on?

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Italiangreyhound Wed 04-Feb-15 13:12:51

Hi can I ask adopters - What is/should pupil premium be spent on?

Italiangreyhound Wed 04-Feb-15 13:13:00


fasparent Wed 04-Feb-15 13:45:36

Good link , PP plus is used in different ways, not always in the best interest
of the child. Google Gareth Marr Adoption Train for a positive understanding as how it should be used. and is being used by some LA's


Italiangreyhound Wed 04-Feb-15 14:41:12

Thanks fasparent.

I wonder if it is used to pay for Sencos?

Ohmygrood Wed 04-Feb-15 14:44:47

No it isn't used to pay for SENCOs. All schools must have a SENCO on their staff. That comes out of the school budget.
Schools have to publish on their website how their PP is spent so have a look online.

SunnyBaudelaire Wed 04-Feb-15 14:45:40

it is supposed to be used to directly benefit those pupils who attract it.
IME that was far from the case.

Ohmygrood Wed 04-Feb-15 14:46:59

Sorry just realised this is adoption - thread is in active convos. Have a look at the website of your school though to see how they spend their pp.

Chapsview Wed 04-Feb-15 14:52:03

There is no direct guidance on what it can and can't be spent on - as long as there is demonstrable benefit to those pupils who attracted the money.

It could be used towards a SENCO salary as long as the SENCO is dealing with some of the pupils who attract the money. For instance you may only need a part time SENCO to cope with the pupils without PP and hence you can spend some of the PP on SENCO to help the PP pupils. IYSWIM

It is very difficult to pin point what the money is spent on. If you have 20% PP pupils they will get a different share of the benefit each - some may be very bright adopted pupils with great parents who need very little support - others may require a lot of support.

Do you have a specific gripe about what is being spent?

Jameme Wed 04-Feb-15 16:22:42

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Tangerineandturquoise Wed 04-Feb-15 16:28:28

Our school have fessed up that not a penny of the allocated PP+ has been spent on anything of benefit to DS, and that we don't have a say in how it is to be spent.
Not sure what to do about that. Do I complain to the LEA do I ask for it to be withdrawn can I do that?

It is an interesting question

Jameme Wed 04-Feb-15 16:48:34

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Italiangreyhound Wed 04-Feb-15 17:42:59

Thanks all, Do you have a specific gripe about what is being spent? no, not necessarily, just asking.

MrsMinton Wed 04-Feb-15 17:50:01

There will be a breakdown published by the school publicly. It's a requirement. It doesn't have to be spent directly on the child it is for but it must benefit all PP children in the way it's used. So an after school club can be run and PP children should be given places as a priority. a lot of schools use the Sutton Trust guidance to get best value when allocating the money.

UnidentifiedSighingObject Wed 04-Feb-15 18:02:27

The head of the school I hope LO will attend outlined some of their current uses of PPP when I visited - funding 1:1 support in the classroom or during break times, funding art or drama therapy, funding a play therapist specialising in attachment issues... I am likely to need it to be directed towards 1:1 support in unstructured times I think - but the plan is the head will contact me for a meeting before the term starts, to discuss how we can work together to decide what LO needs and how it should be spent. The money is held by the LA virtual school, and we can apply for more than the set amount if the school thinks it's needed.

Can you see why I've got everything crossed we get this school?!

Lilka Wed 04-Feb-15 18:06:27

The aim is that the money should be used to support eligible pupils, helping them achieve their full potential. Obviously all children are different, and so there are many ways the money could be used. A good school will be engaged with the parents in the process of finding ways to support the child, and how the PPP might be used. It is the schools responsibility to spend the money for what it has been intended to do. I do appreciate that some schools are terrible at this, and I advise making a complaint about it.

The money is not ringfenced and it doesn't have to be all used on an individual child, however the school are accountable to OFSTED. In some cases, the money might be totally spend on things that are very individual for a particular child. Other times it might be considered a good idea to, for example, use money to send a few teachers on a training course in how trauma presents in the classroom/attachment/etc, if that would help the child indirectly. Alternatively, sometimes a whole-class use of some money might be appropriate, as long as that intervention will definitely be benefitting the child the money is meant to support where they have a need (and OFSTED will want the school to show them that was the case). What the school must not do, is allow the money to be used for general stuff or just be swallowed up into the main 'pot', which will not help support the child. The spending must be targeted. Again, I really think a formal complaint should be made if a school are deliberately not spending any of the money on the individual child.

I also think that parents should try and schedule a meeting with school early on, preferably before the school actually get the money. I met with my DS school, who are admittedly very good at listening to me, and we basically sat around the table and identified where we thought DS's main challenges lay, and then talked about what might be useful for him.

So, is your child behind in certain subject areas much more than others and would they benefit from extra support with those subjects? Or, like my DS, do they struggle more with their behaviour, managing their emotions or social skills? (That's where DS school are targetting the intervention. We're all very much on the same page that this is his most pressing difficulty in school). Money can also be spent on things like providing teacher training on a specific issue eg. managing attachment issues/disorder in the classroom. Or on providing equipment access, if your child needs that. The school can pay a third party to provide something to a child, which cant be provided by anyone at school. The support doesn't even have to be provided within school hours if there's an intervention that would be better provided 'out of hours'. Home tuition, extra-curricularum trips etc. It totally depends on what your child needs to help them reach their potential in school.

The Sutton Trust's pupil premium toolkit can be used by the school. It shows schools which kinds of interventions are supported by evidence etc

A poster called tethersend knows a huge amount about education and how this all works, so hopefully she will be able to help

Lilka Wed 04-Feb-15 18:09:22

Unidentified Great school, fingers crossed for you!

LadyPenny Wed 04-Feb-15 18:09:36

I'm an adoptor and foster carer. I have 5 dc that all get PP.

The schools pay for all residential and day trips.
At the moment my schools are also paying for:
After school Drama classes
After school riding lessons
Music lessons
Gym membership
Extra 1-1 tuition in school
Milk for those in junior school
I asked last week if my year 9 child could have two hours a week private tuition at home for 18 months in the run up to her GCSEs. They were happy to do that

I work with 4 schools and have always found them happy to pay for whatever I ask.

Jameme Wed 04-Feb-15 18:10:06

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Lilka Wed 04-Feb-15 18:15:52

Oh yeah, priority admissions, I forgot grin

For my DS, we decided following quite a lot of incidents, especially at lunch time, that 1:1 support was a priority use of the money

slkk Wed 04-Feb-15 18:28:06

Am I right in thinking ppp money shouldn't get lumped in with pp money?

Lilka Wed 04-Feb-15 18:32:58

slkk yes you're right, PPP isn't the same as PP, and it shouldn't be used in the same way

Jameme Wed 04-Feb-15 19:47:36

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Kewcumber Wed 04-Feb-15 21:19:36

I suspect PPP will pay for DS's recently organised CBT - at least I strongly suggested that when the EP said she would charge the school if she did it or they could get it for free via Camhs (along with a significant wait).

I suggested this at our consultation meeting on Tuesday his assessment was today and CBT proper starts in just under 3 weeks.

Money talks and hurrah for it, I say.

fasparent Wed 04-Feb-15 22:02:22

Hope you liked Edward Timpson's take on PP Plus, Italian, seam's he fully understands how it is too be used in the note he sent too Gareth Marr. Think we will get some direction sooner that we think from DfE. Noted in
the Text some schools have lost there OFSTED ranking, for not using PP plus correctly.

Italiangreyhound Wed 04-Feb-15 22:22:00

Oh dear now I am thoroughly confused! What is PP as opposed to PPP?

I mean the money the school get when a child is adopted, to be used by the school.

Basically, our school did not seem overly inclined to spend the money on my son in particular when we talked informally this week.

It was an informal chat this week but I must admit I did expect to have some autonomy over how the money was spent and although the idea of that was suggested, it was rather an after thought, I think,

My son seems to be doing well at school, hard to identify any areas in need, Lilka, except that he is quite emotional at times.

It is brilliant that my son seems to be coping OK at school, well in fact. What is slightly frustrating is that my non-adopted daughter really struggles with school.

Any advice welcome, please.

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