ADs don't want your freedom, ADs don't want to play around

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BogRollBOGOF Thu 15-Jul-21 23:07:03

🎵 Every day I hear a different story
People sayin' that you’re no good for me
Saw your lover with another
And she’s making a fool of you, oh

🎵 If you love me baby, you'd deny it
But you laugh and tell me I should try it
Tell me I’m a baby, and I don't understand

Go Wham!

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BogRollBOGOF Thu 15-Jul-21 23:11:46

What are ADs?

Here's the copy and paste job...

Definition of AD
^AD stands for anti dementor.
There are creatures in Harry Potter called dementors, who suck all hope and happiness from you and eventually take your soul. Way back at the start of the pandemic thread after thread was posted on by posters like this and anyone who'd dare question anything or disagree with anything (like putting cheese in your coffee) was bullied off these threads. And so any actual discussion disappeared and it became an echo chamber of misery.

We are the antidote to that. We follow the rules, but not the "roolz" and we question and discuss with respect to each other. It's all very civil.

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Worldgonecrazy Thu 15-Jul-21 23:12:58

Loved George Michael.

Even if he was a weirdo who did not allow any women backstage except his sister.

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MrsDeaconClaybourne Thu 15-Jul-21 23:20:07

Great title! Love Wham (shows age grin)

MercyBooth Fri 16-Jul-21 00:56:35

George Michael Freedom 90.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=diYAc7gB-0A

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MercyBooth Fri 16-Jul-21 02:33:57

Fuck sake

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9793547/Police-riot-van-quiz-petrified-girl-12-self-isolating.html

ISaySteadyOn Fri 16-Jul-21 05:30:17

Thanks for starting the new onesmile

Worldgonecrazy Fri 16-Jul-21 06:10:43

@MercyBooth To continue the conversation I think the prospect of the nhs not being there is so frightening for some, that they feel better metaphorically sticking their fingers in their ears saying na na not listening.

ISaySteadyOn Fri 16-Jul-21 06:20:06

Can I join this conversation? I like to sometimes think about what an ideal healthcare system would be and how we can get there, or if we can.

I think the difficulty I see atm is that there is no real appetite for reform. It's either privatise or keep it as is.

What would your ideal NHSes look like?

Worldgonecrazy Fri 16-Jul-21 06:30:08

I know my view is an unpopular one but i would like to see more preventative measures rather than sticking plasters.

As a metaphor, the NHS is great at providing paracetamol for headaches, but not at treating the root cause of the headache.

Prevention would include using all those psychological techniques our social controllers have and using them to create a population that exercises more, eats healthier, drinks much less. It’s a long term plan but would free up healthcare for those who are genuinely unlucky with health or who have accidents.

It’s not rocket science to know that the healthier we can be as a nation, the less we would need the nhs except in genuine need.

LivinLaVidaLoki Fri 16-Jul-21 06:44:22

Morning! Phew thought I'd lost you all again. Its fucking bonkers over there....

It’s not rocket science to know that the healthier we can be as a nation, the less we would need the nhs except in genuine need.

Agree with this 100%

ISaySteadyOn Fri 16-Jul-21 07:18:29

Worldgonecrazy

I know my view is an unpopular one but i would like to see more preventative measures rather than sticking plasters.

As a metaphor, the NHS is great at providing paracetamol for headaches, but not at treating the root cause of the headache.

Prevention would include using all those psychological techniques our social controllers have and using them to create a population that exercises more, eats healthier, drinks much less. It’s a long term plan but would free up healthcare for those who are genuinely unlucky with health or who have accidents.

It’s not rocket science to know that the healthier we can be as a nation, the less we would need the nhs except in genuine need.

Isn't there an old saying to that effect? An ounce of prevention avoids a pound of cure?

I agree with most of that except I would rather not have psychology anywhere near me. It's been used against people, particularly women, far too much. And the lockdown actions have made me not want to believe a word they say ever.

Granny Weatherwax's headology though is fine grin

Taswama Fri 16-Jul-21 07:35:42

Checking in, thanks for the new thread.

Prevention rather than cure is definitely the way forward but I'm not hopeful, the English government won't even do minimum alcohol pricing.

BogRollBOGOF Fri 16-Jul-21 07:52:05

I don't know enough about social healthcare in other European countries to say I like a particular country's model.

I remember in the aftermath of DS1's birth which included EMCS and HDU feeling bloody grateful that our healthcare is free at the point of use and that there never are hidden nasties to catch up with you. Care was far from perfect (spontaneous birth in the pre-Christmas surge of ELCS and inductions meant that capacity for quality care had been exceded)

I think the real problem is the vastness of the NHS and I'm not convinced that the super-hospital model works, especially for infection control. Treating it as a cult makes whistleblowing and accountability harder. It needs to work holistically with departments like social care and the NHS itself becomes the sticking plaster when other services flounder. Can it be segmented to improve accountability but still work holisitcally? A&E becomes the sticking plaster for poor access to GPs and services like CAHMS.

Public health in the UK is poor. We might have a decent life expectancy, but so many people live years/ decades with chronic poor health. Especially in deprived areas. It takes time, money and effort to live well. I'm doing better than most but I know that there is room for improvement on our diet. We're good on activity, but my sticking point is a sensory child who doesn't get on with mixed and soft textures which rules out a lot of loe effort, slow cooking type meals that take food preparation away from the pinch points of the day.

Food shows tend to be quite fetishised. No issue with Bake Off or Masterchef in their own right, but TV, things like the One Show could see a return of the functional, instructional cooking format. Use standard, accessible ingredients that any bog standard supermarket will have. Bring back the Mr Motivator style movement breaks. Nothing against Joe Wicks, but he's not the most accessible and his idea of beginners is past most genuine beginners, and you need something you can do as you are.

School and workplace cultures need to change. Too much condensing of the day for maximum productivity and not enough chance to get out, move and eat well. More have found that unless they had a lengthy commute, WFH just eats up the time gained from losing travel rather than finding they can now bosh out 5k or a HITT in what was travel time, and it takes a surprising amount to compensate for that incidental movement. I lost 5 miles a week on walking up and down the road when schools were locked down, plus movement in the house of things like finding socks.

There does need to be a general culture shift across society, not just blaming individuals, and it's hard to resist the short term pleasure or convenience of less healthy lifestyles.

Slapping another salt/ sugar tax on food is no cure (and generally causes suppliers to tweak the recipe and swap another nasty in)

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BIoodyStupidJohnson Fri 16-Jul-21 08:12:27

Found you. I shall think about my ideal NHS when I’ve woken up a bit and had my coffee. (No cheese in mine thanks.)

BogRollBOGOF Fri 16-Jul-21 09:25:34

I'd rather have cheese, no coffee grin

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BIoodyStupidJohnson Fri 16-Jul-21 09:30:48

I love cheese, but it doesn't always love me. Sinuses.

justasking111 Fri 16-Jul-21 09:35:26

Check-in

seashells11 Fri 16-Jul-21 09:55:15

This is all so scary isn't it. I wonder if there is a more sinister reason why they want us all vaccinated.

ISaySteadyOn Fri 16-Jul-21 10:12:36

I've found out I actually can't be. So I don't know what that means.

An ideal healthcare system for me would be one that creates time. Building time into lifestyles so that people could walk to the office. If you build time for walking, then you have fewer cars on the street which makes it safer for children to play outside which means them running around more, getting more Vitamin D and makes them more visible which makes it easier to accept them as a part of society.

Also, it would include a major effort to find ways that everyone could feel useful. Feeling useful would probably cut down on a lot of depression. It wouldn't get rid of all of it, but I don't think it could hurt anyone.

And finally, all public health initiatives to be run through a committee of mothers. Eventually, there can be one for fathers too but right now, mothers are often dismissed for being Mothers so they need to be listened to as they often have useful knowledge around children.

Worldgonecrazy Fri 16-Jul-21 12:09:54

seashells11

This is all so scary isn't it. I wonder if there is a more sinister reason why they want us all vaccinated.

I’m sure there is a conspiracy theory that one of the vaccines is for survivors and the others will be bumped off grin

NeedWineNow Fri 16-Jul-21 13:43:57

A shiny new thread, with added Wham!

I'm so fed up with the ramping up of the fear factor again. We seem to be living in a total 'carrot and stick ' existence. And (a bit first world I know) we still don't know whether we will be going to Greece in August.

And my first jab was one of the 'Indian' batch.

I'm worn out with it all.

Orangesandlemons77 Fri 16-Jul-21 13:47:04

Checking in to say hello. Just found our school is closed a week early. I guess at least no messages to self isolate in the next few days. Back to online schooling then. Seems a shame when it is so sunny.

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