Anyone in Hartlepool - what on earth is going on

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Purplecatshopaholic Fri 07-May-21 07:21:06

Genuine question. (Apologies if this is in the wrong place, I don’t post much). I’m Scottish and in Scotland, and I am constantly aware these days of how different the views are of Westminster up here, to across the border sometimes. We also have our own Labour Party leader up here. But really? Is Keir Starmer that bad? Are other parties not available? Who on earth is still voting for Boris…? Any WHY?

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Itwasgoodwhileitlasted Fri 07-May-21 07:23:37

I'd love to know too

RampantIvy Fri 07-May-21 07:24:54

So would I

Lawnpop Fri 07-May-21 07:25:15

In the general election it was a three horse race between Labour, Con and Brexit. Now the Brexit votes have gone to Cons so I’m
not surprised at the result

Lawnpop Fri 07-May-21 07:26:05

But no idea what the appeal of Boris is and why Labour are blamed when it’s the tories that have been in power for so long

Amboseli Fri 07-May-21 07:26:40

Fools rush in...

ssd Fri 07-May-21 07:27:53

I really don't get it either.

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6Helen7 Fri 07-May-21 07:27:58

Because ordinary working people don't feel that the Labour Party represent them any more. My grandfather would be turning in his grave.

Whythesadface Fri 07-May-21 07:29:18

Because Labour have no policymakers, there is nothing from them to vote for.
So right now you vote Tory, or you don't vote.
The papers like to stir things, but even they can't magic a labour campaign from nothing.

Moonstone1234 Fri 07-May-21 07:29:45

If you don’t know the answer by now Labour are going to be in the wilderness for years and might even split in the next few years. They are a complete mess and full of a woke agenda. Starmer isn’t as bad as Corbyn but who could be but he isn’t strong enough.

They need to move back to the centre and where is the next Tony Blair?

CervixSampler Fri 07-May-21 07:30:40

Labour don't know what a woman is. Neither do LibDems. Or the Greens. It's a problem. I suspect the brexit effect is the driver though.

SunsetBeetch Fri 07-May-21 07:31:32

You need to move the question from "How could anyone vote for the Tories?" to "Where is Labour going wrong?".

Sadly the majority of Labour supporters (and I used to be one) seem incapable of this.

Hellocatshome Fri 07-May-21 07:32:26

Because the Labour our Grandfathers voted for no longer exists

BadLad Fri 07-May-21 07:32:34

Perhaps the Labour voters followed the example of the party's leader, and abstained.

SunsetBeetch Fri 07-May-21 07:32:58

Moonstone1234

If you don’t know the answer by now Labour are going to be in the wilderness for years and might even split in the next few years. They are a complete mess and full of a woke agenda. Starmer isn’t as bad as Corbyn but who could be but he isn’t strong enough.

They need to move back to the centre and where is the next Tony Blair?

Yup, yup, yup.

User135644 Fri 07-May-21 07:34:17

They actually care about women's rights in the north east.

midsomermurderess Fri 07-May-21 07:34:37

There are some good pieces in the press considering just this. See eg the Guardian. You will get much better-informed and more rounded analysis than here.

Mumteedum Fri 07-May-21 07:35:14

Because people have sucked up Brexit lies and they like the bumbling gobshite schtick. It's our trump. Labour are seemingly about middle class issues..don't like the word woke but you know what I mean.

The god awful right wing parties of the likes of farage and Griffin are dead but those voters have also turned to Tories.

hamstersarse Fri 07-May-21 07:35:22

Kier Starmer really is that bad

User135644 Fri 07-May-21 07:35:44

Whythesadface

Because Labour have no policymakers, there is nothing from them to vote for.
So right now you vote Tory, or you don't vote.
The papers like to stir things, but even they can't magic a labour campaign from nothing.

We need PR voting to avoid becoming a one party state. Labour are finished.

TheYellowOfTheEgg Fri 07-May-21 07:35:48

Starmer was the one, who came up with the 2019 Labour pledge of a second referendum if Labour won the election. He pushed this through as Labour policy.

"You voted the wrong way so we'll try again". Can you not see how offensive this was to Brexit voters in former Labour voting areas?

I'm in London and voted Remain (though I've changed my mind on Brexit since then), but I can see that it will take a long time for Labour to be forgiven for the second referendum pledge.

Labour's love of divisive identity politics and wokeness are also good reasons not to vote for them. Frankly Labour deserves this good kicking from areas like Hartlepool.

Berthatydfil Fri 07-May-21 07:35:51

The Labour Party is increasingly out of touch with voters due to woke identity politics and lack of clear policies and this is failing to engage their historical base.

MiaMc Fri 07-May-21 07:36:49

I’m surprised the conservatives have won. Not because I assumed it would go to Labour, but because there were 16 candidates!
Will be interesting to see how much the vote was split.
It might just be that they crept in because so many people voted for all the alternatives and it split the vote too much.

Mumteedum Fri 07-May-21 07:36:49

Absolutely the question should be what do labour in 2021 stand for?

hamstersarse Fri 07-May-21 07:36:55

People just want jobs

They don’t want politicians wanging on about identity politics and how awful we all are

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