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Do your children learn a second language in Primary School?

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SorryImKnew · 24/09/2020 09:49

I'm Irish, so we obviously study Irish alongside English from Baby Infants (your Reception I think). It's an obligatory subject with some exemptions, much like English and Maths.
I'm just curious whether schools in England/Scotland/EU/US/Aus/NZ/Rest of world study a second core language and what it is? I think Welsh is probably a core subject in Wales?
Just idle curiosity!

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BlueChampagne · 24/09/2020 09:51

Spanish at DS2's primary (England).

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emummy · 24/09/2020 09:52

Mine did French from about primary 3, we’re in Scotland. Not to a very high level though!

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VickySunshine · 24/09/2020 09:53

No.

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SorryImKnew · 24/09/2020 09:53

Oh and fun fact - the English word for the Irish language is 'Irish', not Gaelic as it is referred to in English media (I'm looking at you Kay Burley). The word for the language in Irish is 'Gaeilge'.
Most people don't know that, so it's always called Gaelic for some strange reason. We know what you're talking about given the context when it's used obviously, but it's technically incorrect. Just to start the thread with a little bit of pedantry! Grin

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TheRealJeanLouise · 24/09/2020 09:53

Basic French in year 3 for us.

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SorryImKnew · 24/09/2020 09:54

Also interested to hear about Eastern European countries as most I've come across are bilingual if not multi-lingual.

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yellowmaoampinball · 24/09/2020 09:56

Mine go to welsh language schools so sort of yes. I think in English language schools in Wales they are taught Welsh too. In my kids school they also had some informal Chinese and French in juniors but not to a high standard.

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SorryImKnew · 24/09/2020 09:57

yellowmaoampinball That's interesting and a good range with Chinese and French thrown in!
How does it work then. Do you do your exams in Welsh? Or is English considered the primary language?

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Margo34 · 24/09/2020 09:57

Learning a foreign language is compulsory/statutory under the national curriculum in England starting in KS2, so from Year 3 and onwards. Most often it is French or Spanish but I think it can be ancient or modern foreign language - schools decide that bit.

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InvincibleInvisibility · 24/09/2020 09:59

I'm in Paris. At our school they learn English from age 6 with a dedicated teacher (but the lessons are crap and basic and the parents all complain).

Before then it depends on the class teacher. DS2 had a teacher when he was 3 who loved English so did songs and words with the class every week.

Then its also the parents who help. For DS2 there was a rota of parents teaching English once a week age 4 and 5 and when he was 5 a Spanish parent did the same with Spanish.

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BernardsarenotalwaysSaints · 24/09/2020 10:00

French, from Reception, English primary school. I speak some French so do it with them at home too. I think it's great.

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SorryImKnew · 24/09/2020 10:00

That's interesting Margo. I didn't know that.

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BrieAndChilli · 24/09/2020 10:00

Mine go to English speaking schools in wales.
They do welsh right from reception and it’s thrown in all over the place (rather then being a set lesson once a week) so they have welsh phrases of the week that must be said in welsh rather than English etc.
Juniors also do a bit of Spanish and french but not loads

In secondary they do welsh as a lesson and have to do it for gcse. They also do french and Spanish up until year 9

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Someonesayroadtrip · 24/09/2020 10:01

In Wales so they learn Welsh as required by law.

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zigaziga · 24/09/2020 10:03

English primary - my Dc had French lessons twice a week in reception (age 4) and this will continue up the school.

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SorryImKnew · 24/09/2020 10:04

No German so far!!

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SorryImKnew · 24/09/2020 10:06

InvincibleInvisibility Is your French good enough that you can help with homework? I've often wondered about people from other countries where English isn't their first language and how they manage if they're not the best at English.

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SorryImKnew · 24/09/2020 10:09

Irish children lose out to an extent with not learning European languages in addition to Irish, well not until secondary school. Not in my day anyway, though I think some might offer French nowadays.

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JaJaDingDong · 24/09/2020 10:10

@SorryImKnew

yellowmaoampinball That's interesting and a good range with Chinese and French thrown in!
How does it work then. Do you do your exams in Welsh? Or is English considered the primary language?

Welsh is the primary language at a Welsh medium school, and exams are done in Welsh too.

English reading and writing is introduced late on in primary school.
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TheSeedsOfADream · 24/09/2020 10:11

I'm in Italy and ours do English from nursery school onwards.
I also work with lots of international teachers and am a manager in the summer months (usually) at a UK language school where our youngest are 7.
Eastern Europeans (as you specifically mentioned them) take L2 learning very seriously.
I work with teachers of English at primary in those countries from Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
The Russian, Romanian and Bulgarian children's English tends to be of a very high level. We had to put young Romanians and Bulgarians into a senior class one year.

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FatCatThinCat · 24/09/2020 10:15

i'm in Sweden and ours do English from nursery so my 7 year old is bilingual.

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SorryImKnew · 24/09/2020 10:15

Yes, I envy the Eastern Europeans as they often tend to have their native language, Russian, possibly a neighbouring country's language and excellent English!!

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SingingSands · 24/09/2020 10:19

Mine learned French from Reception.

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Mistigri · 24/09/2020 10:21

We live in France where a MFL has been compulsory in primary for many years. It's basically whatever language the class teacher is qualified to teach (you need a basic standard in a MFL to get a teaching qualification) - usually English, sometimes Spanish or German. The quality of primary MFL teaching is highly variable but often very poor, because the teachers are usually not language specialists.

The result is that when the kids get to secondary they all have to start from scratch because the new intake all have a completely different standard.

IMO as the parent to one bilingual and one trilingual child - primary MFL teaching is a complete waste of time unless you devote large resources to it. It is much more effective to make a MFL or two compulsory in high school, and to devote resources to older kids. My DD did a bilingual Spanish programme at high school (from equivalent Y11) , and came out fluent with a Spanish bachillerato (high school diploma) on her CV.

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SorryImKnew · 24/09/2020 10:22

I've a US cousin and she learned Spanish (I recall not being able to understand why she didn't have to learn Irish when I was a child lol). My Canadian nieces do French and have also studied Mandarin in one of their schools. My NZ friend did Japanese I think.

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