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Shamima Begum has her citizenship revoked

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KenAdams Tue 19-Feb-19 18:48:54

How can this happen? I thought they aren't allowed to leave a person stateless? Not that I'm disagreeing, I'm just wondering how they managed it.

Insomnibrat Tue 19-Feb-19 18:49:40

Really? Good.

mumsiedarlingrevolta Tue 19-Feb-19 18:49:43

have you got a link? can't see anywhere?

Loopytiles Tue 19-Feb-19 18:50:18

Source?

Destinysdaughter Tue 19-Feb-19 18:50:27

Do you have a link for this? Can’t see anything online at the moment.

Murphypoint Tue 19-Feb-19 18:50:30

It’s just been on ITV news. Good.

PotteringAlong Tue 19-Feb-19 18:52:43

mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/1097928726678065157?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Destinysdaughter Tue 19-Feb-19 18:53:02

Just saw this

www.itv.com/news/2019-02-19/shamima-begum-has-uk-citizenship-revoked-by-british-government-itv-news-learns/

KenAdams Tue 19-Feb-19 18:54:00

Sorry www.itv.com/news/2019-02-19/shamima-begum-has-uk-citizenship-revoked-by-british-government-itv-news-learns/

VimFuego101 Tue 19-Feb-19 18:54:31

Not that I disagree with this, but I didn't think they were allowed to leave people stateless?

Lungelady Tue 19-Feb-19 18:55:28

Delighted.

Rodders92 Tue 19-Feb-19 18:55:38

It says her family are going to appeal the decision

Destinysdaughter Tue 19-Feb-19 18:56:41

Isn’t this illegal under international law..?

exLtEveDallas Tue 19-Feb-19 18:56:50

Maybe she already had dual citizenship? I can't imagine the Home Office doing this without huge legal checks.

Sparklyboots Tue 19-Feb-19 18:57:11

Bloody hell, she's a traumatised kid with a baby, I despair

QueenieInFrance Tue 19-Feb-19 18:57:35

They can strip someone of their citizenship if they have another citizenship or if they can easily get another citizenship.
My understanding is that her parents are fBengladesh so she would probably be able to get a citizenship from there (even if she has never had a passport from there before ).

This way she becomes Bengladesh issue and not the U.K. hmm

PortiaCastis Tue 19-Feb-19 18:58:06

What about the little baby is he rendered stateless to?

TwinkleTits70 Tue 19-Feb-19 18:58:22

Bloody hell, she's a traumatised kid with a baby, I despair

She is an adult who is unrepentant about her actions.

PotteringAlong Tue 19-Feb-19 18:58:31

Isn’t her husband Dutch? I imagine she could claim Dutch citizenship.

QueenieInFrance Tue 19-Feb-19 18:59:14

Btw there has been cases before where the HO argued that x person to get xxx. Itizenship so it was ok to strip them from British citizenship. It hasnt always been accepted by the courts and appeals have been won before.

RogersVideo Tue 19-Feb-19 18:59:20

I had thought this sort of thing happened when you defected to an enemy state and I was wondering why it hadn't been mentioned.

SwedishEdith Tue 19-Feb-19 18:59:24

I can't imagine the Home Office doing this without huge legal checks.

Really? This has HO dog whistling all over it.

PortiaCastis Tue 19-Feb-19 18:59:25

Why did they let all the others back, this doesn't make any sense.

ReaganSomerset Tue 19-Feb-19 18:59:49

@PortiaCastis I presume he'd be a citizen of his birth country.

Budsbegginingspringinsight Tue 19-Feb-19 19:00:15

Does this mean she's banned from entering the UK ever again...

How can we keep tabs on her.

TearingUpMyHeart Tue 19-Feb-19 19:00:19

That's disgusting.

WeAreGerbil Tue 19-Feb-19 19:00:39

Sparklyboots that's how I feel about it too, but we seem to be in a minority.

Tawdrylocalbrouhaha Tue 19-Feb-19 19:00:43

I actually didn't know they could do that!

I'm now wondering how often it happens, and why we don't hear of it more often?

Theunreasonableone Tue 19-Feb-19 19:01:38

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Tissunnyupnorth Tue 19-Feb-19 19:02:27

My understanding is that she has Dutch citizenship through marriage.

QueenieInFrance Tue 19-Feb-19 19:02:28

Pottering she first wouod need an off I ila document showing they were married.
And it assumes that the Netherlands wouod be happy to give her Dutch citizenship only based in her been married to a Dutch citizen.
The U.K. allows none of that. Being married to a Brit doesn’t give you any right to become british (and not even to immigrate to Britain). And you are to have lived in the uk for at least 5 years.

Basically you are supposing that the Netherlands wouod do something that the U.K. wouod never do from Brits...

Whocansay Tue 19-Feb-19 19:02:51

I feel awful about her poor child. She's already lost two. How much chance does this one have?

PrincessScarlett Tue 19-Feb-19 19:02:57

I find her media coverage very odd. I know she was sought out initially by the journalist but since then she's given another interview that back tracks on what she said previously as though she is now saying what she thinks she should say to get sympathy rather than what she really thinks and believes.

Imissgmichael Tue 19-Feb-19 19:03:07

Good news. Let’s hope any appeal falls on deaf ears.

NotMyUsualTopBilling Tue 19-Feb-19 19:03:10

She's not a traumatised child. She's a terrorist sympathiser who has shown absolutely no remorse for buggering off to help their cause other than wallowing in her own misery.

Yes, it's sad that she has allegedly lost two children due to circumstances but it's the life she chose.

bigknickersbigknockers Tue 19-Feb-19 19:03:23

she's a terrorist supporter and as such should be kept out of this country

drspouse Tue 19-Feb-19 19:03:28

They weren't legally married.

Wildcate Tue 19-Feb-19 19:04:03

She's already lost two

So she says. From malnutrition apparently. She does look that malnourished though.

Wildcate Tue 19-Feb-19 19:04:19

doesn’t

DrinkFeckArseGirls Tue 19-Feb-19 19:04:46

I wonder if she was British by birth of naturalised.

NottonightJosepheen Tue 19-Feb-19 19:05:09

I wouldn't want her in Ireland if our countries and recent political histories were reversed.

Who would ffs?

MightyAtlantic Tue 19-Feb-19 19:05:22

Someone on another thread said that Syria does not have birthright citizenship, so the baby is not a Syrian citizen. I wonder if he can claim British citizenship, as his mother was a citizen at the time of his birth? Or does revoking her citizenship revoke any claim he might have to British citizenship too?

Mewe Tue 19-Feb-19 19:05:35

Good.
She made her choice when she decided to fight against British Values & join IS.
She is not a “traumatised kid with a baby”: she is an adult who must take responsibility for her actions.

ThroughThickAndThin01 Tue 19-Feb-19 19:05:38

Good decision.

HotpotLawyer Tue 19-Feb-19 19:06:28

“she's a terrorist supporter and as such should be kept out of this country”

Whose country should we dump our unwanted citizens in?

KoraBora Tue 19-Feb-19 19:06:55

From looking at the Bangladesh Citizenship page it appears that citizenship primarily goes through the bloodline regardless of place of birth. Any child born to a Bangladeshi woman is a Bangladeshi citizen therefore she won't be stateless.

zippey Tue 19-Feb-19 19:07:25

I saw her interview and she came across as a bratty teenager who hadn’t reconciled with her family. She will be ok. Her family can wire her money to Syria and she can live in a country ruled under Islamic law, which is what she wants.

DobbyTheHouseElk Tue 19-Feb-19 19:07:26

I’m not sure she had any children or was even pregnant now. I don’t know I can trust what she says. Best she stays where she wanted to be.

SwedishEdith Tue 19-Feb-19 19:07:26

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Begum does not have citizenship of another state, so unclear how this works. But Javid won't mind a fight - even a losing fight - in which he is trying to exclude The Jihadi Bride (see: Ed Balls / S. Shoesmith)

This is all about Javid trying to look tough. Weak little man desperate for approval.

Tomtontom Tue 19-Feb-19 19:07:30

Revoking someone's citizenship without due process being followed sets a terrible precedent.

We all have the right to a fair trial (and should be punished for our actions if they are found to be criminal).

Meralia Tue 19-Feb-19 19:07:55

She isn’t stateless. She has dual nationality.

Saylav Tue 19-Feb-19 19:08:14

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NotMyUsualTopBilling Tue 19-Feb-19 19:08:19

@HotpotLawyer, leave them stranded in whichever country they choose to run off to.

GreatDuckCookery6211 Tue 19-Feb-19 19:08:20

Poor baby. Her, not so much.

Whocansay Tue 19-Feb-19 19:08:33

I thought we were supposed to be a civilised country? Where is our compassion? She may be a foolish young woman, but she was a child when she left. She was groomed by terrorists, FFS!

If she has committed a crime, prosecute her. But bring her back to face justice and then her family can at least look after the child.

whataboutbob Tue 19-Feb-19 19:08:36

Is this fake news? She has no second nationality, you can’t make her stateless in a day. I suspect it’s incorrect, or will soon be successfully challenged and overturned.

BifsWif Tue 19-Feb-19 19:09:05

Yes she’s just a kid with a baby, poor soul. Maybe you could offer to take her in? I hope she rots.

I’ll be saving my sympathy for the Syrian women and children in those camps, for the Syrian babies dying from malnutrition and a lack of basic medical care.

I’m only sorry that she has now become someone else’s problem.

Beansandcoffee Tue 19-Feb-19 19:09:27

Legal people will now spend the next 4 years fighting this decision and appealing. I thought we had all been told that you couldn’t leave someone stateless.

Saucery Tue 19-Feb-19 19:09:28

They’ve made an unusual and extreme decision in response to her recorded unrepentance. I’m not sure I want our government to be making snap decisions like that for anyone, even someone like her.

LollyHolly24 Tue 19-Feb-19 19:09:53

If this is true this is the BEST decision possible. As for the people feeling 'sorry' or 'despairing', you are sympathising with a TERRORIST.

MillytantForceit Tue 19-Feb-19 19:09:54

Looks like lucky old Bangladesh gets her.

Expect a court case about her, the baby and their right to family life at the ECHR (the court we aren't leaving.)

Passmeagin Tue 19-Feb-19 19:09:59

Good! The only reason she wants to come back is because isis has fallen and she's realised it's no longer "glamorous"
I was a tearaway at 15. Knew exactly what I was doing and took responsibility for my actions. She doesn't even have a shred of remorse which is probably the main reason the majority have no sympathy.
She was a very bright girl apparently. She knew exactly what she was doing

Roxyxoxo Tue 19-Feb-19 19:10:03

Only according to her lawyer and family, potentially fake news?

flashbac Tue 19-Feb-19 19:10:07

Can I make a prediction?
Family will appeal. If shamima is not a dual citizen they/she will win (because it's unlawful to make someone stateless no matter how awful they are). The tabloids/fake news brigade will blame EU laws...
Thickos will go along with it and thus they have further justification for Brexit.
I'll take my tin foil hat off now ..

OnlyFoolsnMothers Tue 19-Feb-19 19:10:26

Whilst I’m delighted by this, I have this feeling it wouldn’t have happened to the white British guy who joined al shabaab had he not died -Thomas Evans

Coffeebean76 Tue 19-Feb-19 19:10:36

Whose country should we dump our unwanted citizens in?

She wasn't dumped anywhere though was she? She went willingly.

PsychoCrayon Tue 19-Feb-19 19:10:43

I’m not usually a conspiracy theorist, but I think there’s more to this than they’re letting on. She was a pawn going out there and a pawn asking to come back.

I think they’ve done the right thing by revoking her citizenship, and the message that sends to anyone who is inclined to do similar.

RedFeltHeart Tue 19-Feb-19 19:10:47

"He [Home Secretary Sajid Javid] has no proof that I'm a threat other than that I was in ISIS but that's it."

I don't know how I would be seen as a danger."

Um...

BifsWif Tue 19-Feb-19 19:10:55

She has dual nationality.

ChoudeBruxelles Tue 19-Feb-19 19:11:01

Those who feel sorry for her child how much sympathy do you have for the thousands of children displaced and murdered by isis. Or the women and children captured by isis and sold as sex slaves?

Yes she was 15 when she went but it was a deliberate choice and she is completely unrepentant as an adult.

Saylav Tue 19-Feb-19 19:12:21

Her family reared one IS terrorist sympathiser. They're hardly fit to rear another child, while the mother is still an unrepentant IS sympathiser.

Imissgmichael Tue 19-Feb-19 19:12:48

If someone is capable of having citizenship of another country then the UK can revoke that persons citizenship.

PortiaCastis Tue 19-Feb-19 19:13:08

Over 300 Isis fighters have returned to the UK why wasn't their citizenship revoked ?

babycakes1010 Tue 19-Feb-19 19:13:20

Fantastic news!

AlaskanOilBaron Tue 19-Feb-19 19:14:01

Let the Dutch deal with her, great that the UK got their first while she was still a dual national.

PerspicaciaTick Tue 19-Feb-19 19:14:22

Totally hypocritical of our Govt.
We helped write the international rules which are supposed to prevent people being made stateless.
We get very hacked off when other countries make their citizens stateless and refuse to take them back off us when we don't want them.
But faced with a 19yo with a new baby we throw all our principles out of the window.

AlaskanOilBaron Tue 19-Feb-19 19:14:23

Over 300 Isis fighters have returned to the UK why wasn't their citizenship revoked ?

I'm guessing they weren't dual nationals.

BifsWif Tue 19-Feb-19 19:14:30

Who knows Portia?

And do you know how many of those 300 + faced charges? 40.

Forgive me if I don’t agree with those saying she should be brought back to face charges.

JenniferJareau Tue 19-Feb-19 19:14:44

Finally some common sense!

Good riddance you terrorist sympathiser.

Budsbegginingspringinsight Tue 19-Feb-19 19:14:51

There's being a tear away... and being a tear away isn't there.....

Getting drunk.... unprotected sex.... trying drug's.....

Not seeing people being burned alive in cages.. and wanting to join in 🙄.

I'd much rather offer citizen ship and protection to to the children born to yadizi sex slaves Etc

BifsWif Tue 19-Feb-19 19:15:03

SHE IS NOT STATELESS!

MillytantForceit Tue 19-Feb-19 19:15:06

Sending a message to the voters back home, to Donny Trumpton who thinks we should have them all back, and to any other would-be jihadis at home who might think twice.

Mistigri Tue 19-Feb-19 19:15:08

I'm so disgusted by this. A child raised and radicalised in the U.K. and because she apparently has the right to Bangladesh citizenship they want to make her Bangladesh's problem?

Not to mention that she has not, yet, been convicted of any crime.

AmIAWeed Tue 19-Feb-19 19:15:11

Teenagers make many mistakes but running off to join terrorists, then claiming you want to come back but do not regret your actions are not 'typical teenager' mistakes and I have zero empathy for her. I do not want terrorists here, I do not want terrorist sympathisers here and it's about time firm action is taken to show that if you choose to leave for such a group then your decision is final and you are not a British citizen

HotpotLawyer Tue 19-Feb-19 19:15:35

She was still a British Citizen when her baby was born on Sunday.

Surely they cannot revoke the baby’s citizenship?

CarolDanvers Tue 19-Feb-19 19:15:44

Its very easy to say great serves her right and yes it probably does but this is a dangerous precedent if she doesn't have dual citizenship and I can't help feeling some disquiet.

Mistigri Tue 19-Feb-19 19:16:13

I don't have empathy for her. But people saying this is OK are saying that it's fine to ship our homegrown terrorists to other countries.

Katterinaballerina Tue 19-Feb-19 19:16:28

‘Over 300 Isis fighters have returned to the UK why wasn't their citizenship revoked‘

This.

Total dog whistle politics.

Budsbegginingspringinsight Tue 19-Feb-19 19:16:41

This girl has no principles. I saw orphan on ITV this morning who was made one by the Manchester bomber.

I think we're showing values and principles by rejecting her.

SpanielEars070 Tue 19-Feb-19 19:16:45

That's what happens when 15 year olds are allowed unrestricted access to the internet.

Her parents need to accept their part in this. And shut the fuck up.

She made her bed. Now she's got a newborn to lie in it too. Actions and consequences.

Saucery Tue 19-Feb-19 19:16:56

Well, let’s just have her out there continuing to be a vocal martyr and poster girl for Isis then . Because revenge is always a better path to take than monitoring, due legal process and prevention, isn’t it.

MaybeitsMaybelline Tue 19-Feb-19 19:17:40

According to Wikipedia she has Bangladeshi dual citizenship since 2009? I know it’s not exactly a great source of information but this could be the reason.

Imissgmichael Tue 19-Feb-19 19:17:44

Mistrigri she’s admitted committing a crime.

Mistigri Tue 19-Feb-19 19:17:56

Thickos will go along with it

This. Thickos and racists who think that it's fine for Britain to export their homegrown radicalised teenagers to other countries.

surferjet Tue 19-Feb-19 19:18:04

Good!

KingHenrysCodpiece Tue 19-Feb-19 19:18:06

This is not a good thing.

ooooohbetty Tue 19-Feb-19 19:18:27

Good. I hope her parents are denied any legal aid to fight it.

Mistigri Tue 19-Feb-19 19:18:48

Mistrigri she’s admitted committing a crime.

So? Has she been prosecuted and convicted in a court of law? Is Britain a democracy which respects the rule of law?

HavelockVetinari Tue 19-Feb-19 19:18:54

I can't believe this. She was a vulnerable child who was groomed, and since then has been completely under the power of those who brainwashed her to begin with. And in the interim has had her two children die. No wonder she's spouting ISIS nonsense. She needs bringing home and de-radicalising.

Wakk Tue 19-Feb-19 19:19:11

Great news.

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