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Homemenu1 Tue 12-Jun-18 22:12:10

Has anyone watched this?

I’ve not seen it all, but I found it really quite uncomfortable.
The dead body lying on the stairs,
The ‘science’ used to determine spatter.
It all seems a bit disorganised
Why would you agree to be filmed.
The poor victim seems to have been forgotten.

Anyone find it fascinating

bonfireheart Tue 12-Jun-18 22:17:42

I watched the whole show and also can't believe the level of access to the photos, the interviews with him etc. Surely the victims daughter should have a say in whether the photos are shown on the tv? Also it's never explained whether Michael contacts the documentary makers to come make the movie but it is hinted at.

bonfireheart Tue 12-Jun-18 22:18:50

I do however wish I'd never watched it. It's sad for everyone involved especially the two adopted daughters who've already been through so much.

JessicaJonesJacket Tue 12-Jun-18 22:23:49

I'm about 3 episodes in. I think the documentary makers are trying to present him as a victim of a miscarriage of justice when he obviously wasn't.
I was surprised to read that one of the editors ended up having a relationship with him. It made me wonder what the series would have looked like with a different editor.

Homemenu1 Tue 12-Jun-18 22:37:59

I think it just amazes by the lack of alternative offered by his team for her death. The blood on the bottom of her feet causing her to slip and bang her head again.

All the evidence just seems to be guess work.

I’ve not watched all of it, but I would find it so hard to be a juror and try to wade through all the waffle to get to the truth

MrStarkIDontFeelSoGood Tue 12-Jun-18 22:41:26

Started a thread on this in "Streamed TV"

I felt like the documentary took a position of miscarriage of justice that his strange behaviour and the extenuating circumstances didn't warrant.

I found his children off without knowing why, particularly the hysterical laughter of the eldest daughter mocking the pain of the sister of the woman she called Mom

Lemonlady22 Wed 13-Jun-18 00:10:43

watched them all .....hes very odd, his children are very odd, the death of the two adopted daughters parents are odd.....those two are the oddest...ive watched it all at least three times (except the last 3 new ones)...they are a strange family, i think there's a fair bit not even mentioned....i find it fascinating....i do think hes guilty not the bloody owl (did the owl relocate from Germany)....strange weird story and people (film crew included) plus the music did my head in!

SneakyGremlins Wed 13-Jun-18 00:47:32

Is it an old documentary? Haven't seen it yet but I have seen the forensic files episode on it. Didn't believe the guy then..

Homemenu1 Wed 13-Jun-18 00:53:00

So now the blow poke has turned up!, I find his denfense lawyer fascinating. I can Tahiti work out if he believes him or not, and he’s just ploughing through because he’s taken the money.

sneaky yes it’s old but i think updates as well.

The daughters were a bit strange, I think they don’t realise how scared they are of him, they pander to his every whim.

SneakyGremlins Wed 13-Jun-18 00:54:16

Ah okay, I googled it when Netflix suggested it but could only find old ones. I'll give it a go this weekend on my weekly crime binge grin

Homemenu1 Wed 13-Jun-18 00:55:45

What I find really strange is some one putting ketchup in their mouth and coughing onto a piece of paper and then saying yes this is how this piece of blood spatter was cause due to her coughing.
Books and ketchup are so different they dot react the same, so surely it proves nothing

BradleyPooper Wed 13-Jun-18 00:56:26

Binged on this all weekend and loved it. Heard that he married the editor of this show and there was speculation on social media that he was the father of the girls they adopted (he was having an affair with their mother???). Very weird, I'm still undecided but love that my nosiness has been indulged to such a great extent.

Homemenu1 Wed 13-Jun-18 00:56:39

I think the new episodes are the last ones on Netflix, so just jump straight to those

JessicaJonesJacket Wed 13-Jun-18 11:54:07

Homemenu I can't decide if his lawyer believed him or not. I think the lawyer was a bit thrown that he'd taken on a case of what seemed to be an accidental death and then there was the revelation about Germany . . .and then there was the mysteriously re-appearing blow-poke . . .You could see he was struggling with how to present that as a positive and desperately hoping that no-one would suggest they'd nipped out and bought a replacement blow-poke in the intervening years after the murder
I couldn't help but think that Todd was holding something back too.

HipposareHungry Wed 13-Jun-18 11:59:33

Can I please if any animals hurt in it?

BradleyPooper Wed 13-Jun-18 12:13:24

No animals are hurt in it but some pretty gruesome photos of the crime scene and human injuries.

TammySwansonTwo Wed 13-Jun-18 12:19:14

It’s one of my favourite series ever - I’ve watched it through three times and I change my opinion on his guilt every time. I’ve just started it again so I don’t forget any details and then I’ll watch the new ones.

He is a very strange man. Often I feel like he’s lying, but that’s not the same as being guilty.

If he attacked her with a weapon, there would be cast off blood spatter - where is it? The experiments done by the prosecution are ridiculous, their forensics were nonsense and inconsistent and their homophobia was pretty disgusting. But all that doesn’t mean he’s innocent.

If he is innocent, I feel dreadful for him.

Looking forward to seeing what comes up in the new episodes.

HipposareHungry Wed 13-Jun-18 12:21:37

Thank you, Bradley. I’ll give it a go this weekend!

JessicaJonesJacket Wed 13-Jun-18 12:28:34

The homophobia point is interesting. I think the prosecution tried to tread a fine line with being disgusted that he was actively trying to cheat on his wife rather than being disgusted that he was bi-sexual.

The documentary implied it was a right-wing, homophobic backwater but there was an interesting article with a local academic. He sat in on the trial some days and lived in the area. He implied the documentary misrepresented the area and the trial. He was confident it wasn't a miscarriage of justice and he said the area was actually very diverse and tolerant.

I did wonder why the prosecution didn't suggest that Michael had caused her fall rather than attacked her with a weapon. If he had pulled her back as she tried to go upstairs, it wouldn't have taken much force and she would still have bumped her head on the moulding, etc.

WatermelonGlitter Wed 13-Jun-18 12:31:49

Have watched this many times in the past. Latest theory is that an owl did it. I think he is guilty. Two women dead under a black cat poster on a staircase is something of a coincidence.

TammySwansonTwo Wed 13-Jun-18 12:38:25

The owl theory is a good one

The expressions on the prosecutors face when she describes the gay porn found are very telling.

TammySwansonTwo Wed 13-Jun-18 12:39:05

And we know from the follow up a few years ago that the forensics cannot be trusted whatsoever, so there’s that.

Homemenu1 Wed 13-Jun-18 14:13:59

His shorts were covered in blood, and yet his t shirt didn’t have a drop of blood on it which would suggest that he changed his top at some point.

JessicaJonesJacket Wed 13-Jun-18 15:44:21

I thought his t-shirt had blood on it but it wasn't a splattered pattern so it didn't support the beating theory?

hendricksy Wed 13-Jun-18 15:45:03

I can't work out why they didn't discuss an intruder ?

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