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Question about the greatest showman

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Soubriquet Wed 23-May-18 18:16:55

Anne, the trapeze artist was vilified just as much as everyone else.

Is this because she wasn't white and was put on stage at the same level as everyone else?

recklesslove Wed 23-May-18 18:25:11

I didn’t even think about that... I thought it was more to do with her low social standing... she was a lowly circus artist.

But it’s set in the 1920s isn’t it? So possibly her and her brother being black was also a factor.

recklesslove Wed 23-May-18 18:26:20

Also to add that I think her low social status is aparent when she attends the theatre in a lime green dress. She just doesn’t ‘look’ the part does she.

sunshinejourney Wed 23-May-18 18:29:17

She is treated the way she is because she's black. It's overtly mentioned a few times- aside from knowing this to be the case at the time this was made.

Soubriquet Wed 23-May-18 18:29:19

I did consider the low standing angle, but the people who attended the circus were working class anyway. So I didn't think that was the reason

EBearhug Wed 23-May-18 19:13:36

But it’s set in the 1920s isn’t it?

No, it's mid-19th century - PT Barnum was born 1810. He promoted Jenny Lind in 1850.

Although the film is not an exact historical record.

Soubriquet Wed 23-May-18 19:14:29

Yes I thought it was Victorian times as Queen Victoria was on the throne

cloudtree Wed 23-May-18 19:17:23

It was because she was black wasn't it?

BrieAndChilli Wed 23-May-18 19:19:03

Victoria reigned from 1837-1901!!

iklboo Wed 23-May-18 19:19:46

Barnum met Queen Victoria in1844

cloudtree Wed 23-May-18 19:20:30

But in any event the Carlyle character and Anne Wheeler were both fictional characters added in for the film (according to Google)

HermioneWeasley Wed 23-May-18 19:20:32

Because she’s black. Philip ‘s dad calls her “the help”

Beamur Wed 23-May-18 19:21:31

I'd assumed it was because she was black. Note the comment from the Zac Efrons characters parents that he was out with 'the help' or 'staff' can't quite remember the exact words.

Soubriquet Wed 23-May-18 19:22:22

Aaaah I never connected the dots there.

PuppyMonkey Wed 23-May-18 19:24:26

She and her brother were black, that was it. And she dared to go into the posh theatre, and hold Zac Efron’s hand, thus causing outrage.

We’ve just bought the DVD, bloody love this film. grin

snowboardingqueen Wed 23-May-18 19:24:46

Definitely because she was black and the real story certainly isn’t as rosey as the film.

TyneTeas Wed 23-May-18 19:28:24

I really enjoyed the film, inaccuracues and all, but this Honest Trailers for it is worth a watch grin

Soubriquet Wed 23-May-18 19:32:49

Oh I love the film!

And the sound track of course

Got my Dh to watch it despite his bitching....and he loved it too grin

Plantpotpot Wed 23-May-18 19:48:07

I do think it’s ironic that they didn’t cast an actress who was as ‘black’ as her brother though. Even in 2018 they will use a very fair skin colour as it’s more ‘acceptable’. Completely hypocritical given the message they were trying to convey

Soubriquet Wed 23-May-18 19:54:59

I did think that but Zendaya does her own stunts so maybe they thought it would save them on a stunt double?

Especially as she can sing and act too. Gotta be hard finding all of that in one person and then add black on top of that

June1966 Fri 25-May-18 08:21:46

She's a fictional character though.

traciebanbanjo Fri 25-May-18 08:46:43

I didn't get why he left his family to go on tour or why he invested so much money in that tour when the freakshow was doing well?

MyOtherProfile Fri 25-May-18 08:53:58

I have a question too. Why didn't the bearded lady just shave then she would have looked normal? It's not like they didn't have the tools in those days as most men didn't have beards.

fuzzyfozzy Fri 25-May-18 09:23:33

Does anyone have a good link re the actual history of what happened?

cloudtree Fri 25-May-18 09:44:03

The musical Barnum is closer to the real story. He was turned into the nice family guy for the movie. He certainly got more than his head turned by Jenny Lind...

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