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Part time annual leave help please..

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pumpersnatch Tue 20-Feb-18 11:26:27

I'm an NHS worker and have been for over 20 years so entitled to the full 33 days annual leave a year.

I currently work 30 hours a week, 6 hours a day so my annual leave is calculated in hours pro rata at 198 hours. It has always been calculated like this.

We now have a new line manager who says that the bank holiday hours of 48 hours should be minused from my entitlement ?? Which only leaves me with 150 hours ??

Is this correct ?

Pittcuecothecookbook Tue 20-Feb-18 11:31:11

Does your full time annual leave of 33 days include a bank holiday entitlement?

You should be booking holiday on bank holidays of 6 hours with the enhanced entitlement, which may be what the manager is doing now in one go.

pumpersnatch Tue 20-Feb-18 11:32:20

No the full time 33 days is excluding bank holidays.
So if I was fulltime I get 33 days and am off all the bank holidays.

Pittcuecothecookbook Tue 20-Feb-18 11:33:34

150 hours is 5 weeks leave so calculation seems right if 33 days is AL including BHs too. This means full timers have 8 bank holidays off a year plus 25 days (5 weeks) to book leave when they want. You've got the same. 5 weeks to schedule leave, plus bank holidays off at your workinghours.

What did you do about bank holidays before new manager?

Pittcuecothecookbook Tue 20-Feb-18 11:35:03

sorry, cross post.

Well in that case it isn't right. Are you sure, 33 plus BH is an awful lot.

If that is right, full timers have 41 days leave and its that amount that should be pro ratad.

pumpersnatch Tue 20-Feb-18 11:35:17

No a fulltimer gets 33 days PLUS bank holidays.
So 33 days ( 6 weeks and 3 days to book when they want ) PLUS 8 bank holidays a year.

pumpersnatch Tue 20-Feb-18 11:35:51

100% sure. Its the only perk of being in the NHS for over 10 years.
I was fulltime until recently.

Orangesox Tue 20-Feb-18 11:38:33

Your manager is wrong... www.nhsemployers.org/your-workforce/pay-and-reward/agenda-for-change/nhs-terms-and-conditions-of-service-handbook/annual-leave-and-public-holidays-section-13

33 days + 8 bank holidays (pro-rata'd for you as part timer). You should have annualised hours annual leave (inc) BH of 247 hours x

bebealpha Tue 20-Feb-18 11:38:48

Surely this will be something for hr to confirm not your line manager. It will all be down to what is in your contract which is most likely explicit on the point.

pumpersnatch Tue 20-Feb-18 11:38:53

If that is right, full timers have 41 days leave and its that amount that should be pro ratad.

Yes thats what i thought and thats how it equals 198 hours.

Pittcuecothecookbook Tue 20-Feb-18 11:39:28

Is a day usually 7.5 hours for a full timer, or 7? I can work out your hourly entitlement then 😁

CotswoldStrife Tue 20-Feb-18 11:39:47

Would you normally work on a bank holiday (mostly Mondays), is that a normal working day for you?

pumpersnatch Tue 20-Feb-18 11:39:56

Thank you, thats great.
I have contacted HR and will get it in writing from them.

pumpersnatch Tue 20-Feb-18 11:40:24

7.5 for a fulltimer

pumpersnatch Tue 20-Feb-18 11:40:42

Yes i would normally work on a monday.

pumpersnatch Tue 20-Feb-18 11:41:34

Length of service Annual leave and Public Holiday entitlement
On appointment 27 days + 8 days
After 5 years' 29 days + 8 days
After 10 years' 33 days + 8 days

bastardkitty Tue 20-Feb-18 11:42:28

@Orangesox is bang on. Might be slightly different this coming year because of the way Easter bank holidays fall. Your manager is wrong. Email your HR department and ask them to check it.

CotswoldStrife Tue 20-Feb-18 11:43:00

I see you've contacted HR which is the best thing to do IMO, they'll know that you are down to work the BH normally as well. Hope it is sorted out quickly for you.

Pittcuecothecookbook Tue 20-Feb-18 11:43:41

Ok, so, you shouldget 80% of a full time allowance.

33 days plus 8 bank hols is 41 days, or 307.5 hours. 80% of that is 246 hours. From that, you should book bank holidays off (6x8 = 48 hours) or, as your manager is saying, just have it taken off, leaving your 198 hours as agreed.

It just seems shes confused that your entitlement of 198 doesnt have BHs included already.

BarbaraofSevillle Tue 20-Feb-18 11:45:27

198 hours per year is only the AL not the BH (6 x33 = 198). Your line manager is wrong.

You should get 246 hours of leave each year and each day off you get should cost you 6 hours so you get 33+8 days per year, the same number of days as the full timers.

PaulCalf Tue 20-Feb-18 11:46:28

My work add hours to my annual leave for Bank Holidays (I work a. 8 contract so I get 80 percent of the bank holiday hours a full timer would get). I then have to take any bank Holidays I would normally work out of my total annual leave. This might be what your manager means?

pumpersnatch Tue 20-Feb-18 11:48:28

Thank you thats great. Perfectly explained.

pumpersnatch Tue 20-Feb-18 11:49:38

She was taking the 198 hours entitlement and then taking a FURTHER 8 days bank holiday off !
There's quite a few disgruntled part timers walking around today !

Pittcuecothecookbook Tue 20-Feb-18 11:56:41

One of differences for part timers is that some, like you, work every day and the same hours each day. If you don't have BH included and treat them like full time staff do, it works out. However, for part timers that work different hours each day, or don't work every day, need the hours added to their entitlement otherwise they may be at a disadvantage or getting more. E.g if someone works 7.5 hours on a Monday and 7.5 on a Tuesday, they'll get a lot more time off than someone working 5 hours Tuesday - Friday, though the second person works more time. It's a toughie! At my work, all part timers have it added to their entitlement to make it more transparent x

pumpersnatch Tue 20-Feb-18 12:03:13

Ok that makes sense.
What about someone on 24 hours a week, 6 hours a day ( so a 4 day week ?)

Sorry blush

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