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Why is the Calais problem our problem?

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IheartNiles Tue 16-Jan-18 13:25:10

Apparently Macron is doing to demand that we do more. I’m not clear why it’s Britain’s problem. The refugees/migrants should be processed in the country they arrive in, no? Enlighten me please.

MsRinky Tue 16-Jan-18 13:33:08

Because we have an agreement with France and Belgium that border checks take place at their end instead of at ours, effectively moving the border outside of the UK.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juxtaposed_controls

TalkinPeace Tue 16-Jan-18 13:35:16

Because the border should be in Dover not Calais
but the UK pays France to take its dirty washing.

ArcheryAnnie Tue 16-Jan-18 13:37:35

It is our problem, but the French government have been doing the UK what everyone regards as a favour, in having the border controls in France rather than in the UK.

The people in Calais aren't there because they like France - they are there because they are trying to get to the UK.

monkeywithacowface Tue 16-Jan-18 13:39:41

I suppose France could pack up their border control and see if it becomes the UK's problem then?

A580Hojas Tue 16-Jan-18 13:41:45

It's because the migrants regard themselves as en route to the UK. They want to end up here.

I think you are getting your refugees and your migrants mixed up there Niles.

CoteDAzur Tue 16-Jan-18 13:43:35

"I suppose France could pack up their border control and see if it becomes the UK's problem then?"

As should happen with Brexit.

It's the UK's problem, actually, and has always been.

France should just put those people on a boat and send them on their merry way to the UK, imho.

SteamTrainsRealAleandOpenFires Tue 16-Jan-18 13:45:22

France should just put those people on a boat and send them on their merry way to the UK, imho

And what happens if the boat is reused permission to dock?

SteamTrainsRealAleandOpenFires Tue 16-Jan-18 13:45:40

refused* not reused

IheartNiles Tue 16-Jan-18 13:47:43

Yes but most call themselves refugees when many are economic migrants. Aren’t refugees supposed to be processed at the first safe country they come to? I find it incredulous that people think the processing should take place at the end point.

noblegiraffe Tue 16-Jan-18 13:53:39

It’s very convenient for people living on an island to insist that refugees are processed at the first safe country they come to full in the knowledge that it won’t be theirs, thus placing a huge burden on other countries.

IheartNiles Tue 16-Jan-18 13:56:15

Yes but the flip side to that is the burden lies at the feet of very few countries. And France IS a rich country and less crowded.

CompassionateKebab Tue 16-Jan-18 13:59:52

These people are desperate to get to the UK - for whatever reason. It could be that they have family here/speak the language/think we are a soft touch etc. etc. They will kill themselves trying. It will be very interesting to see what happens if the border moves back to Dover in the event of Brexit.

SteamTrainsRealAleandOpenFires Tue 16-Jan-18 14:01:58

Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees

helenoftroyville Tue 16-Jan-18 14:12:16

Realistically, what would it look like if the border was moved to Dover?

Boats being refused access?
A camp like 'the jungle' being set up on British soil?

TalkinPeace Tue 16-Jan-18 15:44:15

Watch Auf Wiedersehn Pet before slagging off economic migrants.

TonTonMacoute Tue 16-Jan-18 15:56:27

It’s very convenient for people living on an island to insist that refugees are processed at the first safe country they come to full in the knowledge that it won’t be theirs, thus placing a huge burden on other countries.

It’s an EU regulation, the U.K. didn’t just unilaterally decide to insist on it.

Personwithhorse Tue 16-Jan-18 16:02:18

The ferries will have to refuse to take them, and there will have to be much more stringent border controls. The U.K. is full - we hear daily about lack of hospitals and housing for those already here. The majority of U.K. citizens want immigration massively reduced.

FruitCider Tue 16-Jan-18 16:03:24

It’s our problem because the border belongs to the uk and not France....

FruitCider Tue 16-Jan-18 16:05:10

* The U.K. is full*

No it isn’t.

noblegiraffe Tue 16-Jan-18 16:05:32

And yet, tonton they have made it to France so it’s a bit late to be quoting that rule.

zzzzz Tue 16-Jan-18 16:08:10

It’s our problem because it is a human problem and we are humans. Compassion and charity are what’s needed.

NotDavidTennant Tue 16-Jan-18 16:10:58

Aren’t refugees supposed to be processed at the first safe country they come to?

Sounds good in theory, but what happens if someone rocks up in Calais who hasn't been processed? How do you ascertain for certain where they have come from or what was the first safe country they entered?

TwixtCupAndLip Tue 16-Jan-18 16:15:48

It isn't our problem in the slightest. We need tight border security, not a mindless free-for-all.

TalkinPeace Tue 16-Jan-18 16:17:36

It isn't our problem in the slightest. We need tight border security, not a mindless free-for-all.
Be ready to send your kids out to pick veg and push hospital trolleys then as the UK is running out of able bodied fit people.

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