A feminist TV channel - what would it be like? Shows, themes,ads etc

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itshardthinkingofanickname Tue 25-Feb-14 09:45:20

Inspired by recent talks about advertising and films.

If there was a feminist TV channel, what would you put on it? Shows, films, sit coms.

The adverts would have to not feature women doing all the housework and the men just being cool. They'd have to be more reflective of what actually happens in some households. And no adverts telling women what to do with make up etc.

Films - well, no James Bond for a start.

I'm sure it would be appealing and not too "politically correct"

(think of is as the feminist pub in your living room)

ReadyToPopAndFresh Tue 25-Feb-14 09:53:34

All the films previously mentioned in the other FWR thread running. A book club would be nice.

Decent comedies that pass the Bechdel test.

Decent late night talk shows hosted by female comedians.

News hosted by all women.

Entertaining and informative shows at all hours not just in the evening when people are home for work. Because if you are home during the day with children you really just want to watch Mathew Wright and "JK"

I'd actually enjoy a fashion show (hear me out) that goes in to actual women's fashions. And rather than take a woman who looks "butch" or whatever and dresses her up to a current style and turn in to a yummy mummy... but maybe helps her find clothes she actually likes. Be it mini skirt or dungarees.

No "health" shows unless they actually are about genuine women's health. How to spot heart attack in women that sort of thing. Noot just poorly designed diet and excercise shows.

itshardthinkingofanickname Tue 25-Feb-14 09:56:01

See - this could work.

How do you set up a TV channel!!!

itshardthinkingofanickname Tue 25-Feb-14 09:56:24

I can see the Dragon's Den pitch now. grin

ReadyToPopAndFresh Tue 25-Feb-14 10:01:14

Ooh and maybe for an hour or two first thing in the morning educational feminist programing for children in cartoon form.

Emmeline, the Radfem magic pony and her stable of feminist super ponies

Or something like that

Saturday mornings and afternoons can be shows for teen girls that don't talk down to them, don't sell them make up, discuss real healthy relationships and conversely what shit ones look like. Staring teen boys who aren't "jocks"... but nice young boys who enjoy feminist theory and indy films and look forward to being sahds one day.

Shows for teen girls that interviews women in high profile or interesting jobs and how they got those jobs.

Get em while they're young wink

ReadyToPopAndFresh Tue 25-Feb-14 10:02:20

Deborah Meaden scares me.. You'll have to go in on your own!

itshardthinkingofanickname Tue 25-Feb-14 10:25:36

And you would be a presenter based on your merits - not your appearance.

So you would have to know your stuff.

ReadyToPopAndFresh Tue 25-Feb-14 10:31:38

I'd love an Apollo style show that only featured new female talent. So many women comics who just don't get a look in

itshardthinkingofanickname Tue 25-Feb-14 10:32:40

I think we can have some men - just as long as they don't feel the need to use sexist stereotypes. So Frankie Boyle would be out.

I'd like some sports, please

The Lady Gunners are one of the most successful women's teams in Europe, are they ever on TV? Do people even know they exist? So frustrating.

Also shows about science, engineering, math, all these professions that women are under-represented in.

Music shows featuring every kind of music out there, the sole proviso being non-misogynistic

slug Tue 25-Feb-14 10:43:18

Science and History programmes fronted by women. Mary Beard on the Romans, Maggie Alderin Pocock on The Sky at Night, Alice Roberts on human evolution etc.

thatswhatimtalkingbout Tue 25-Feb-14 11:00:41

Just having loads more brilliant women on TV would be great even if they were the same formats: panel shows, cooking shows, news shows, history, drama, current affairs.... it would just be so great to have more women doing this stuff

adverts I think would have to be actually banned in the short / medium term as the whole basis of advertising is so deeply rooted in fostering insecurities about gender = reinforcing patriarchy. It would have to be subscription only.

ReadyToPopAndFresh Tue 25-Feb-14 11:08:53

Would you have to put some men on? They are already covered pretty well on every other most channels. Or should we have a 1 man per show gesture like the BBC have given us hmm grin

I'd like more music and less vulva. And when festival season starts I want women presenters who actually like and know music doing the interviews. NOt just young women in cool wellies sitting next to men who know what they are talking about. And interviewing more female musicians.

I'd like advertising.. but for stuff women actually want and need. Moon cup adverts not scented fanjo wash.

ReadyToPopAndFresh Tue 25-Feb-14 11:11:39

dreamingbohemian how do you think I feel? I'm American, our football is a joke apparently..

Except no, our women's team is best in the world! Suck it England grin just because the men are shit does not mean American doesn't do football.

ReadyToPopAndFresh Tue 25-Feb-14 11:16:16

It would be good if they could make an effort to actually show a multi ethnic society (like the UK is) so maybe some <gasp> quotas (proper ones not token gesture ones).. to make sure everyone is represented. ON the tv and behind the scenes.

Oh and that would be important to having actual women producers and writers.

I'd like to see lesbians represented as not wank fodder for men too.

ArtetasSwollenAnkle Tue 25-Feb-14 11:19:27

If anyone was serious about this, I found this article - it is a year old, but may still be relevant;

www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/07/ofcom_600mhz/

i don't remember what it's called but there's a show where a man goes around challenging dodgy tradesmen

you could do a similar one where a woman goes and challenges misogynist advertising messages (confronting individuals from advertising companies, the companies advertising products etc) and asking them to explain themselves / their thinking / their market research which has led them to their decisions about how to advertise in that way

ReadyToPopAndFresh Tue 25-Feb-14 11:29:20

Rogue traders!

And that would be brilliant!

Would also love a show that discussed religion and women's roles in it from a feminist view point.

Oh and on site interviews at feminist conferences.

VelvetStrider Tue 25-Feb-14 11:51:28

Some of the adverts could be for very personal and slightly embarrassing mens products - erectile disfunction treatments, scrotal waxing kit, prostate tickler, snug fit condoms etc.

After all, we have to put up with primetime showings of Tena Lady, wind dispersal tablets, panty liners and so on.

ready hey I'm American too originally grin

Women's football is great, they just get on with it without diving and yelling at the ref and being all pouty.

Bifauxnen Tue 25-Feb-14 12:10:44

Frankie Boyle would have a place, I think. Late at night there could be one of those gambling shows where he's placed in stocks and if you win he gets pelted with rotten veg. It would have to be rigged to be quite easy to win. Great viewing and would also generate cash to fund the channel.

ReadyToPopAndFresh Tue 25-Feb-14 12:23:30

Yeah why is it acceptable in the "manly" sports to roll about like that, it's the adult equivalent of "teacher teacher he's looking at me!"? grin

Shameful!

slug Tue 25-Feb-14 12:57:50

Women's sport in general. All those Olympic medal holders, both the summer and the winter ones, could have their sports covered. The Wimbledon women's final could be broadcast on prime time TV, the men's could go behind the red button.

itshardthinkingofanickname Tue 25-Feb-14 12:58:47

Love the idea of advertisers being challenged like in Rogue Traders.

itshardthinkingofanickname Tue 25-Feb-14 12:59:43

The news should cover women's issues - especially worldwide ones that hardly get a mention.

Scarletohello Tue 25-Feb-14 13:08:58

Great idea!

I'd like a show about women's rights around the world, a feminist perspective on the news, how new laws and policies affect women, a documentary about rape and sexual assault and a weekly show about personal development. Demonstrations of active listening, conflict resolution etc.

And lots of comedy like Smack The Pony!

Basketofchocolate Tue 25-Feb-14 13:09:01

I loved that every time I tuned into the winter olymps when DS was present it was all women doing the sport - including ice hockey (tho it was tricky to tell to start with due to the outfits) - but so glad as it might go some way to neutralising my Dad and brother's horribly sexist views on women's sport.

Scarletohello Tue 25-Feb-14 13:10:51

And... Normal sized women in all shows, adverts films etc. not stick thin women

Also a show where the female presenter is older and the man is a younger cutie! ( to redress the balance..) smile

CuntyBunty Tue 25-Feb-14 13:21:46

A film from India called, "Kill The Rapist!". I haven't seen it unfortunately, but good luck to them.

Jo Brand and Claudia Winkleman can present.

We can have amazing scientists on too, like the anatomist Professor Sue Black en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_Black_(forensic_anthropologist) who was on radio four this morning. She's a forensic anthroplogist and went to Bosinia to identify remains and gather evidence against the Serbs by sifting through bodies and bones on her hands and knees while there were snipers in the hill aiming for her. I am in awe of women like that.

We can also have lots of features about female sexuality and masturbation as it should not be a taboo and hasn't been widely covered. I would have Betty Dodson featured regularly as part of that.

CuntyBunty Tue 25-Feb-14 13:23:24

News Reporters and Jornos would include Polly Toynbee, Hadley Freeman, Suzanne Moore and of course, Zoe Williams.

CuntyBunty Tue 25-Feb-14 13:25:07

Oh, and Roller Derby, a proper womens' sport, originally started by and for women. As opposed to Mens' sport played by women.

ArtetasSwollenAnkle Tue 25-Feb-14 13:54:05

I know this is not a totally serious discussion, but why doesn't someone actually do this? Has anyone tried? Its not like its a minority audience - 50 per cent of the population, give or take grin

CuntyBunty Tue 25-Feb-14 14:01:02

Go on then, Artetas, I'd give you a hand.

ArtetasSwollenAnkle Tue 25-Feb-14 14:08:16

I am waaaay too busy grin . But there are some very motivated people on here. I was just wondering - what better way to spread the gospel?

twofingerstoGideon Tue 25-Feb-14 14:46:38

Jo Brand et al in shows like 'Getting On' please.

whatdoesittake48 Tue 25-Feb-14 15:09:49

Music video show with only videos where women wear clothes and don't gyrate or fawn over a man.

i would like to see history shows about famous women too.

A women's panel show where they discuss real topics (like the ones we talk about...) rather than celebs and relationships...

panel show like question time but with female politicians and journalists - high brow stuff.

Oh and all the women should be paid at least what the top men in the BBC get paid.

I used to want to start a rolling "good news" channel. A bit like Sky news 24, but only with news which was uplifting, inspiring or fun from around the world. So many people out there are doing great stuff and it never makes the news. I think people would love that type of channel. i even went as far as almost buying the domain name to start a website of good news - but the set up costs of a channel are horrendous...

I don't think it would be minority because women are more likely to watch TV during the day in any case and actually many of the shows could have wide appeal.

Maybe one of the big networks could do a "women's week" to see if it has legs...(the idea, not the women)

aaaah....pie in the sky.

Scarletohello Tue 25-Feb-14 15:46:40

Yes. We should have Mumsnet TV!

Imagine a real life AIBU with a studio audience....

thatswhatimtalkingbout Tue 25-Feb-14 15:51:41

mn is popular and it is about everything. there is definitely something in here.
I feel like what is interesting about mn (and not what people expect) is that it is about everything - including politics and "hard" stuff - but despite the fact that it is not what is stereotyped as "women's issues" only, or "girls' stuff" only, there is a women's slant on a lot of discussion that is missing in mainstream media. it can't help but being a bit more feminist than most of the rest of the world, even when it doesn't mean to be.
so an analogous approach to TV would just be - women covering everything, except the stupid sexist crap we don't need, and adding more emphasis on the stuff we are particularly interested in. I can see it working

Of course a lot of the drama, sit coms etc would have to be new commisions

- or! or! or! - as all original programming is far too expensive for a start up - you can screen mainstream programming, but you have a feminist interpreter, akin to the sign language person in the corner of the screen on the editions for deaf people, who comments, as you would when watching with your friends - so you can buy job lots of eg, Friends, and screen it, but rather than show it without comment you have someone holding up signs saying things like "Oh right, like that's attractive, and not totally creepy and stalkerish" when Ross is being an arse as usual

ReadyToPopAndFresh Tue 25-Feb-14 16:00:45

They have that scarlet It's called cage fighting

itshardthinkingofanickname Tue 25-Feb-14 16:35:00

You could take mainstream programs with alternate feminist subtitle interpreting and analysing the plot.

Would be great for adverts.

Scarletohello Tue 25-Feb-14 17:03:17

When I did film studies, they talked about the concept of the 'male gaze', ie how the point of view of most films is men looking at women and how women viewed themselves as the subject of the gaze. Would be interesting to not only dissect that but also reverse it...

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