About the invisible men project.

(57 Posts)
Darkesteyes Sun 06-Oct-13 00:50:33

A blog about the thread that was on here.
Agree with the comment underneath about anal to vaginal penetration being the perfect breeding ground for a urinary tract infection sad

www.minxylydia.com/1/post/2013/06/the-invisible-men-tumblr-and-my-thoughts-on-reviews.html

ArmyOfPenguins Sun 06-Oct-13 01:47:29

The Invisible Men Project is still going.

And it's important to keep it going.

Opalite Sun 06-Oct-13 02:17:16

I feel physically sick at the man describing how much pain the woman was in and how 'sensational' it was.

Faux Sun 06-Oct-13 02:56:55

Someone linked to that blog post before. On the thread I think. It was discussed.

What I am shocked by is the following. She wrote that Wrecking Ball was "tasteful"!
It takes all sorts I suppose.

rosabud Sun 06-Oct-13 15:31:23

It makes me want to give up and cry. Then it makes so angry, actually enraged, that the comments of the punter quoted at the end can be justified by the author of the blog because she is confident that the prostitute "enjoyed that sort of sex" really and that the punter's langauge is "graphic" rather than mysogynistic because he also says that she "was attentive." How nice of him.

Abd as for "graphic"?? The punter says, "She fucks like an animal, got soaking wet from all the cunt juice and will take a bit of rough. The woman is practically perfect." I could spend a couple of paragraphs analysing that and bemoaning the fact that the punter/blog-poster/anyone else who thinks this is "gentlemanly" language is completely incapabe of any sort of critical awareness....but.....actually........ I do just want to cry.

Darkesteyes Sun 06-Oct-13 16:15:03

Sorry Faux I didnt realise it had been linked before I hadnt posted on the original thread for a while.

Kitty3Mummy Mon 10-Mar-14 21:39:54

Hi
Really disappointed to see so many negative comments about this project on here and the other thread that is not not receiving comments.

You may be interested in the fact there is to be an exhibition at The Glasgow Museum of Modern art based on the Invisible Man project.

I appreciate many women are horrified at the concept of prostitution and that many women do actually enjoy sex and even choose to work as sex workers.

There are some women who work in appalling conditions and who are treated badly or are forced into it by men. However there are plenty who choose to do this work and there is also a huge middle range of those who are forced and those

However, whatever side of the fence you sit on I think it's important to understand that this project is dehumanising to women, using blank faces, no names, a price tag and by cherry picking lines from reviews to suit the project is grossly unfair. I feel the people responsible for the project and the gallery are cashing in on the experiences of others and without any input from sex workers makes it all the more revolting and biased.

Regardless of your views about women who offer sexual services for money no right minded compassionate human could possibly be in favour of this project nor the display of it in a public gallery.

I urge you to sign the below petition to get this exhibition stopped. More information about the problem with this exhibition is given on the page.

www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/glasgow-museum-of-modern-art-remove-the-whorephobic-invisible-men-exhibit-which-dehumanizes-sex-workers?recruiter=85176959&utm_campaign=twitter_link&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition

GotMyGoat Mon 10-Mar-14 21:42:14

Isn't it art? Should we censor art?

Blistory Mon 10-Mar-14 21:42:36

I'm going. And I'm taking my brother. He doesn't believe men do these things so I fully intend to let him see for himself.

TunipTheUnconquerable Mon 10-Mar-14 21:42:51

It is a very worthwhile project and I strongly disagree that it is dehumanising. The dehumanisation comes from the punters who are quoted.

Kitty3Mummy Mon 10-Mar-14 21:45:32

I don't believe it is art. It's a campaign that runs closely with the current political discussions about criminalising the clients of sex workers, which is of course ludicrous and dangerous.

StickEmUpBigStyle Mon 10-Mar-14 21:46:28

Wot tunip said

CaptChaos Mon 10-Mar-14 21:47:59

I think I might sort out tickets now. The only whorepobes on The Invisible Men Project are the men who write the reviews. The IMP brings the real beliefs of men who exploit prostituted women into the cold light of day. Leaving those beliefs in the dark merely allows the men who hold them to continue to believe they are right to hold them.

WhentheRed Mon 10-Mar-14 21:50:05

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Mon 10-Mar-14 21:50:13

Agree with tunip.

Blistory Mon 10-Mar-14 21:50:53

Sorry but the public need to know on a larger scale just what punters are like and how some men truly view women.

I hope it's shocking, I hope it disgusts, I hope it opens some minds

WhentheRed Mon 10-Mar-14 21:51:12

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

TunipTheUnconquerable Mon 10-Mar-14 21:51:33

Why did you join Mumsnet to post this, Kitty3Mummy?
Do you sell sex yourself, or are you a punter?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Mon 10-Mar-14 21:53:28

The blank faces, no names, price tags is reflecting on how the punters are treating women. It's very relevant.

Kitty3Mummy Mon 10-Mar-14 21:54:21

Oh goodness, you are a misinformed bunch. I assume none of you actually know anything about sex work and only have a really dated view of it based on radical feminist lies and propaganda .

I really thought Mumsnet would be more enlightened!

Don't you realise sex workers sell their time and their services- they don't actually sell their body parts, or else there would be lots of limbless women walking around!

TunipTheUnconquerable Mon 10-Mar-14 21:55:52

<yawn>

Kitty3Mummy Mon 10-Mar-14 21:56:30

In reply to Turnip- Yes I did, I was looking for ways to promote the petition. I am neither a sex worker or punter, just someone involved in activism who actually knows sex workers and how the industry works. Clearly something most here do not.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Mon 10-Mar-14 21:56:52

MN is enlightened. I love FWR because the consensus is that women should not be bought and sold for sex. The IM project project demonstrates punter's attitudes to women.

Blistory Mon 10-Mar-14 21:57:06

Actually, I have no problem with the concept of prostitution but I have a major issue with the reality of it.

Nice attempt at a wind up but seriously, can't you just go and read your bro's posts on the Amnesty thread and give your fingers a rest ?

StickEmUpBigStyle Mon 10-Mar-14 21:58:14

Hahahahahahaha .... Hahahaha <wheeze>

AnyFucker Mon 10-Mar-14 21:58:22

oh, kitty, kitty, did you answer the klaxon too ?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Mon 10-Mar-14 21:58:42

Doubt you'll get many takers for that petition here.

I would say try pn - they're the ones who write the quotes quite unashamedly.

I disagree that it's 'whore-shaming' or whatever you wrote. It's 'punter-shaming' and all in their own words.

Blistory Mon 10-Mar-14 22:00:58

50 supporters - my oh my, the internet will crash under the pressure of everyone rushing to sign that petition.

WhentheRed Mon 10-Mar-14 22:03:39

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BriarRainbowshimmer Mon 10-Mar-14 22:04:58

Welcome to MN Kitty3Mummy.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Mon 10-Mar-14 22:05:06

What does an sex work activist do, kitty? Genuinely interested here. Are you affiliated to an organisation? Do you get paid? If so, who pays you?

TunipTheUnconquerable Mon 10-Mar-14 22:06:36

I do like the comment on that petition that says it's not representative because it doesn't include 'caring' reviews.

AskBasil Mon 10-Mar-14 22:08:27

"Regardless of your views about women who offer sexual services for money"

Why are you assuming that anyone has any "views" about women who offer sexual "services" for money Kitty?

The IMP isn't about the women - it's about the men. Why don't we talk about them?

BriarRainbowshimmer Mon 10-Mar-14 22:08:49

I think it's important to understand that this project is dehumanising to women, using blank faces, no names, a price tag

Almost funny.

LurcioLovesFrankie Mon 10-Mar-14 22:13:53

Let me see... Your starter for 10. Who wrote the comments quoted on the Invisible Men Project? Was it (a) a bunch of dungaree-wearing cardboard cutout feminists? Or (b) a bunch of pay-to-rape misogynistic male punters?

And as for "I appreciate many women are horrified at the concept of prostitution and that many women do actually enjoy sex..." BINGO!

You do realise that it's precisely because we enjoy sex, we value other human beings, we want in turn for women to be valued as human beings, that we are horrified at the thought that huge numbers of women are forced by economic necessity, grooming by pimps, trafficking and the like, to put up with a series of misogynist arseholes raping them for money? No? Well, you don't come across as the brightest spark ever, do you?

AnyFucker Mon 10-Mar-14 22:28:53

has this one scarpered already ?

No staying power these people

Kitty3Mummy Mon 10-Mar-14 22:39:05

No, just realised this was a bad idea.

No point in discussing this issue with people like you whose minds are made up.

Your ignorance is astounding and I'm amazed you dare have such strong opinions on something you know nothing about.

AnyFucker Mon 10-Mar-14 22:39:26

smile

FloraFox Mon 10-Mar-14 22:50:50

"Caring" reviews - boak!

Another one bites the dust. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

BriarRainbowshimmer Mon 10-Mar-14 22:51:23

That's right we don't know anything about prostitution here.
If only we were enlightened like you then we would be 100% supportive of men's right to buy women.

CaptChaos Mon 10-Mar-14 22:51:49

Our minds are made up precisely because the vast majority of us do know what we're talking about, either from working with survivors groups, talking to survivors, advocating for prostituted women. That and we understand that women should not be considered the sex class and that vulnerable women should be protected from men who would prey on them.

But, I agree, it was a bad idea for you to post here.

FloraFox Mon 10-Mar-14 22:52:03

Just noticed there at least one pimp on there... How very surprising.

AnyFucker Mon 10-Mar-14 22:52:59

oh, and tell your mate to stop bumping zombie threads. That's a bad idea too.

KinderBoris Mon 10-Mar-14 22:59:04

The blank faces, no names, price tags. <face palm>

They are there for exactly the reason Sabrina mentions.

Also Lurchio. Nail. Head.

trenda1 Mon 10-Mar-14 23:16:42

Kitty is not being paid, but the group doing the exhibition are-

"Linda Thompson, of Glasgow Women's Support Project, is the Scottish Government-funded Challenging Demand Development Officer."

Anyway it's too bad it wasn't an exhibition about horrible things antis say to sexworkers (see link)

storify.com/itsjustahobby/sex-workers-speak-whenantisattack

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Mon 10-Mar-14 23:18:14

oh another one.

Welcome. You'll find no anti-women attacks here. Just anti-punter ones.

CaptChaos Mon 10-Mar-14 23:19:56

Are you tag teaming?

Sadly a lot of people miss the point of the invisible men tumblr. It's not about what abolishionists think nor even about women's choices, it's all about what the men think, their choices.

LurcioLovesFrankie Mon 10-Mar-14 23:20:07

Yawn - the klaxon is going to lead to another invasion, isn't it? Thank heavens it's my bedtime...

In fact, if we all just went to bed, they'd have no-one to wind up, and with a bit of luck these threads will drop out of active convos, the punters will lose interest, then we can have an interesting conversation once they've all gone.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Mon 10-Mar-14 23:22:38

None of them ever do the distance.

Do your worst punters. Oh sorry, sex worker advocates.

Latin name: pimpus pimpus -the lesser spotted pimp.

BriarRainbowshimmer Mon 10-Mar-14 23:23:29

gringringringrin

FloraFox Mon 10-Mar-14 23:24:23

why do they put numbers on their names? It's so odd.

This is another trope that demonstrates lack of any engagement in or knowledge of any other political issues.

Squidwert Mon 10-Mar-14 23:25:33

Not the 'empowerment' lie yet again?! If only 'choice' weren't influenced by a media/government/society run by men who desire to keep the sex industry alive...

BriarRainbowshimmer Mon 10-Mar-14 23:26:04

Yes Lurcio. G'night everyone.

ballsballsballs Tue 11-Mar-14 00:12:36

Let me see... Your starter for 10. Who wrote the comments quoted on the Invisible Men Project? Was it (a) a bunch of dungaree-wearing cardboard cutout feminists? Or (b) a bunch of pay-to-rape misogynistic male punters?

This. G'night all.

insuburbian Tue 11-Mar-14 14:09:28

/me offers cough sweet to StickEmUpBigStyle for that wheezy laugh

ApocalypseThen Thu 13-Mar-14 07:55:36

The really sad thing about that blog is the extent to which she has internalised the commodification of her body, and accepted the commodification of other women's bodies.

Interesting that she compared the experience of buying especially with the experience of buying steak.

VeggySausage Thu 13-Mar-14 11:36:54

The point of 'bad' reviews is to let people know what to expect in the same way that we might research a new laptop, restaurant or tattooist

Oh and buying a laptop! Women are like laptops.

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