Anyone watching Texas senator Wendy Davis filibuster the anti-abortion bill?

(421 Posts)
MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 21:08:33

You can watch here

She has to talk till midnight, so that is 13hours. Without a break, without sitting down.

When did she start? What an awesome endeavour. Go go go!

AmandaPandtheTantrumofDoom Tue 25-Jun-13 21:15:56

Go Wendy. Go go go.

AmandaPandtheTantrumofDoom Tue 25-Jun-13 21:16:40

Oooh, can she yield for a question and have a sit down <West Wing nut>

Found out. OK, so she's been going since 11:18 CDT, which is -5 hours. so she has been going since 16:18 GMT, is that right?

So she is 5 hours in, and has 8 hours to go. Correct?

Wow. And no leaning, stopping at all.

OddBoots Tue 25-Jun-13 21:19:33

Go Wendy!

defineme Tue 25-Jun-13 21:19:52

Truly impressive. No toilet breaks/ no leaning on podium/ no food...
A heroic act and an inspiration.

HazeltheMcWitch Tue 25-Jun-13 21:22:04

Wow. I did not know this was today - thanks for sharing MmeL.

Kudos to Wendy - may her stamina and courage see her through to (he) midnight.

sydenhamhiller Tue 25-Jun-13 21:22:26

Ah, amazing. Very West wing...

MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 21:22:41

Amanda
Not sure - they were House rules, if I remember correctly. (fellow WW nut)

TrickyWoo Tue 25-Jun-13 21:23:02

Oh my god. Tears in eyes at thought of this. We need to hear more about it.

MacaYoniandCheese Tue 25-Jun-13 21:24:51

Wow! This is awesome smile.

MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 21:25:17

oooh, a question.

Someone call Josh Lyman to ask if she can sit down.

MrsLyman Tue 25-Jun-13 21:26:52

I'll check with him when he gets back from work!

This sounds very exciting.

balia Tue 25-Jun-13 21:26:57

Thank you for the link - watching it now. Go Wendy.

cocolepew United States Tue 25-Jun-13 21:27:03

Inspirational.

MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 21:27:38

Ha. Thanks, MrsLyman. (Or can I call you Donna?)

HazeltheMcWitch Tue 25-Jun-13 21:28:20

I love it:

She will take the question, but 'she will not yield'.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Tue 25-Jun-13 21:29:43

I love both this thread, and the swift inevitable lead in to WW trivia. grin

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Tue 25-Jun-13 21:30:07

(I reckon Donna would've been Ms, though. wink)

MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 21:30:28

We really need OliviaMN on this thread. I am surprised that she is not here already

bouncychair Tue 25-Jun-13 21:35:56

This is amazing. The consequences of the bill going through would be awful for Texan women.

johnnycomelurky Tue 25-Jun-13 21:39:53

She is amazing! Am very impressed and I really hope she makes it. It's really scary how many states are passing regressive abortion laws sad

MrsLyman Tue 25-Jun-13 21:42:20

Only if you include a spoiler alert grin

Malenky, you can take the girl out of Minnesota but you can't take Minesota out of the girl grin

Disclaimer: I know nothing about Minnesota.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Tue 25-Jun-13 21:45:56

grin

Ok, just for that post ... you are Donna. I totally heard that in her voice.

GibberTheMonkey Tue 25-Jun-13 21:46:09

Go Wendy
Go Wendy
Go Wendy
<waves arms in Ricki Lake style>

Wow!
Just seen this on Facebook

AmandaPandtheTantrumofDoom

Oooh, can she yield for a question and have a sit down <West Wing nut>

I knew that one too.

TheHonLindaRadlett Tue 25-Jun-13 21:53:33

There's a male senator talking on the link at the moment - does that mean she can yield a la Senator Stackhouse in The West Wing?

BrianButterfield Tue 25-Jun-13 21:54:15

Just took this to show DH who is watching the West Wing in the bath and he's watching the filibuster episode! (As an aside, we've been rewatching after some years and the first thing I said when Donna came on was "oh my god, that's (our friend) x!" I don't know why I never realised it's basically her.)

MrsLyman Tue 25-Jun-13 21:55:37

A bit confused is the guy currently asking questions helping her? He said he disagreed with her but not sure about the details of the bill.

Greythorne Tue 25-Jun-13 21:56:20

Top one, Wendy

Brave, sensible woman.

NiceTabard Tue 25-Jun-13 21:56:48

Wow

Thank you for this thread smile

What a brilliant woman.

GO GO GO GO GO GO!!!!!!!!!!

TheHonLindaRadlett Tue 25-Jun-13 21:57:29

The Stackhouse Fillibuster is one of my very favourite WW episodes when all the Grandparents turn up. Sniff. Go Wendy!!

TunipTheVegedude Tue 25-Jun-13 21:57:57

Best of luck to her.
I am very impressed.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Tue 25-Jun-13 21:58:30

I just caught the end of his question - it sounded as if he was actually bringing up issues that could make abortion after-care better?

MrsLyman Tue 25-Jun-13 21:59:16

I just watched a clip of that episode on YouTube, it made me cry a bit blush

MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 22:00:33

The guys asking questions seem to be Republicans, and they are asking short questions.

Stackhouse was asked a very long question, and was able to sit down while it was asked.

I will ask on Twitter

Littleballofhate Tue 25-Jun-13 22:01:39

Go Wendy! From a MNer in New England...keep talking Chiquita!

MrsLyman Tue 25-Jun-13 22:01:48

Yes I think he is helping, his questions are incredibly detailed and he said he had a lot of them.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Tue 25-Jun-13 22:01:59

'My question is in thirty-two parts. It might take some time'.

Yeah. grin

She is impressive but her voice is already sounding a bit weary - how long has she been going?!

MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 22:05:20

Ok, Twitter informs me that she must stay standing the whole time.

MrsLyman Tue 25-Jun-13 22:08:16

Yes, I suspected the 'would you like to sit down for a glass of water' whilst I ask my 22 part question was artistic licence.

Littleballofhate Tue 25-Jun-13 22:08:23

It is 5:06 pm here in New England. I believe Texas is an hour behind us. This brave, amazing woman is all that stands between the women of Texas and terrible anti-choice laws being enacted.

SunshineBossaNova Tue 25-Jun-13 22:10:27

Amazing smile

MrsLyman Tue 25-Jun-13 22:11:02

Actually just heard his last question, about 3rd trimester abortions for unwanted babies, maybe he's not helping..

Justfornowitwilldo Tue 25-Jun-13 22:14:49

Kick ass.

I hope she can make it.

MrsLyman Tue 25-Jun-13 22:15:32

Just thinking about how terrible it is to take away a woman's right to choose, and remembered I live in a part of the UK where abortion is illegal. Crap

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Tue 25-Jun-13 22:17:22

Scary thought, mrsL. sad

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 22:21:03

This is really interesting, so glad she is doing this. Dont like the bloke at the moment, women can have all, health care they need bit not abortion...and more are saying whilst we talk about it...oh do fuck off.

SconeRhymesWithGone Tue 25-Jun-13 22:21:34

See, this is why I joined Mumsnet. Here I am in Florida, at the end of my work day, plugged into all sorts of US news outlets, but find out about this from the other side of the pond. And I really appreciate the support for those of us here in the US who are fighting back in the war on women that has really escalated in this country in the last several years. Go Wendy and go Mumsnet!

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 22:22:13

Actually the guy I am watching may be from earlier...not sure if I a, watching a live link...

MardyBra Tue 25-Jun-13 22:22:22

Wow. Go Wendy.

hope you have a she-wee stashed away somewhere or at least better bladder control than me

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Tue 25-Jun-13 22:24:29

Aw, what a lovely post scone. Go Wendy, and go MmeLindor for starting this thread.

gallicgirl Tue 25-Jun-13 22:25:07

It's Mrs Smith goes to Washington grin

MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 22:26:09

Here are the rules

Filibusters are governed by the Senate rules and by precedents interpreting the rules.
Rule 3.02 prohibits eating or drinking in the Senate chamber.

Rule 4.01 requires a member of the Senate to stand at his or her desk to address the Senate. The member speaking may not sit, lean, or use a desk or chair in any way. Bathroom breaks are not allowed.

Rule 4.03, which governs the interruption of a member who is speaking, allows other senators to raise objections if a speaker does not confine his or her remarks to the issue under consideration or if his or her voice is inaudible.

ThirdTimesABrokenFanjo Tue 25-Jun-13 22:27:30

She needs things to talk about (just seen this in the comments) send your stories to give her something to keep speaking on
https://services.myngp.com/ngponlineservices/petition.aspx?X=mfnxb8Ng0l8%3D

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 22:29:39

I was just talking g to dp about this, I had never rhear dof a filibuster bit he studied politics a tuni and knew what it was.

Its really interesting actually.

She so doing an amazing thing for the women of Texas.

SconeRhymesWithGone Tue 25-Jun-13 22:29:47

Thanks, MRD and yes, thanks to MmeLindor.

MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 22:31:49

That is lovely, Scone. (and yes, of course it rhymes with gone!)

Am glad there is a lot of support for Wendy. My twitter and FB timelines are buzzing.

LineRunner Tue 25-Jun-13 22:35:10

Third that needs a valid zip code to submit.

edam Tue 25-Jun-13 22:36:18

Wow, she's amazing. Go Wendy!

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 22:37:12

I have shared on fb, the personal stories she is reading out are heartbreaking, is anyone else close to tears? blush

Err can people Google zip codes...or would that not work?

MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 22:38:14

Yep, use a google ZIP code. I have done that before when I have used US websites.

Not sure if she needs more to read, but worth a shot

SconeRhymesWithGone Tue 25-Jun-13 22:38:29
MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Tue 25-Jun-13 22:38:33

Ooh, I didn't think of that.

therumoursaretrue Tue 25-Jun-13 22:39:01

Amazing! What a woman!

Suspect we may be in the same place MrsL it's a sad state of affairs hmm

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 22:40:35

So that would work, yay I just wasn't sure if it would be 'OK' don't want to encourage people to do something illegal, tho even if it wass I think this is a good enough cause for breaking the law.

goodbyeyellowbrickroad Tue 25-Jun-13 22:43:01

77005 is a valid Texas zipcode. Am watching the news in Houston and this has been reported ever so briefly.

So glad to see s

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Tue 25-Jun-13 22:43:03

It seems to work. I googled a place I've stayed in the US - if you used a hotel, no-one could possibly know you weren't there unless they checked hotel records, and you wouldn't be getting anyone into trouble by using 'their' address.

CaptainJamesTKirk Tue 25-Jun-13 22:46:05

Someone please explain because I can't seem to find out... What is this anti-abortion bill? Anti-abortion full stop or anti-abortion after a certain time limit? If so what time limit? Thanks.

MrsGeologist Tue 25-Jun-13 22:46:11

I hope she manages it. It's good to see someone fighting the good fight, although it's fucking shite that she even has to do it in the first place.

goodbyeyellowbrickroad Tue 25-Jun-13 22:47:14

Oops - posted too soon!

So glad to see Wendy doing her thing. Hope she manages to stick it out. Implications of this are massive for the women of Texas.

CaptainJamesTKirk Tue 25-Jun-13 22:47:49

Okay no probs, ignore me I've found it now.

edam Tue 25-Jun-13 22:48:14

Who is the guy standing next to her now?

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 22:49:30

Technically its for after twenty weeks but the legislation in full means that pretty much all of the places that currently provide abortion would be shut down so effectively Making it impossible to get abortion (its hard anyway) and there are no exceptions is in cases of rape or incest or health problems with fetus or mother.

Why would you want a Time limit on abortions anyway? Late them abortions are rare and always for good reason, as others have said 'as early as possible, as late as necessary'.

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 22:50:28

captain its not as simple as just saying its a ban for over 20wks, the devil is in the detail.

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 22:51:05

I was reading that some states have the limit as low as eight weeks sad

MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 22:55:57

Yes, it is the details of the proposed law.

The US antichoice movement knows that they can't overthrow Roe v Wade so are now concentrating on limiting abortion in other ways. Shortening the time available, making it more difficult for clinics to operate legally..

edam Tue 25-Jun-13 23:04:52

It's very moving watching the live feed. How long does she have to go now?

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:05:40

Very moving indeed. And yes how long does she have to go?

NiceTabard Tue 25-Jun-13 23:11:41

DH and I were just watching, I wanted to show him and tell him about what she is fighting against.

Just realised she can't even have a drink shock

She is really amazing.

She has a bit less than 7 hours left (I think). I'm in awe.

MrsLyman Tue 25-Jun-13 23:13:38

It is scary and I didn't even realise for ages when I moved here, I even forget because thankfully I'm not currently affected and I guess you just take certain things for granted.

MrsLyman Tue 25-Jun-13 23:15:46

Sorry that took ages to post I lost connection.

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:20:30

7hours?! Bloody hell, she so amazing. Its awful listening to how they are stopping the funding to reproductive health care, so less access to contraception...and now they want to limit abortion as well... What year are we living in again?

edam Tue 25-Jun-13 23:25:19

wow, another seven hours?! Hope she makes it.

sleepyhead Tue 25-Jun-13 23:25:59

That's literally standing up for what you believe in.

Good for her.

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:28:38

Ooh someone is challenging her re talking about the budget?

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:30:18

It breaks the rules or they are trying to say its not 'on topic'? It sounds entirely relevant to me!

I am watching but cant get the sound properly,,,,,,,,,,,hmm

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:32:29

Yeah my sound is a bit dodgy, there was a baby crying in the background a minute ago...

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:34:26

Now they are questioning her talking about birth control?! Htye are really trying to derail her but she is standing strong.

MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 23:37:21

I think the rules are that she can only talk on topic. They are trying to say that she is off topic - didn't it say that the filibuster would be ended if she had 3 warnings.

MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 23:38:06

Here

If a point of order is raised that the senator speaking has violated the rules for decorum or debate, the presiding officer will warn the senator twice; after a third violation, the Senate may vote on the point of order. If it is sustained, the senator speaking must yield the floor.

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:41:02

One has come her way, did the one about the budget go against her?

Do we know how many times they have objected ams won?

Its interesting now on my link a man talkoimg about roe v's wade and constitutional right. Not sure what point he is trying to make yet...

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:42:15

Two warnings...

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:43:06

Bit that was someone asking HER questions son how can that count against her?

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:44:02

Ah they are clarifying that was to the bloke so doesn't count against Davis smile

MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 23:44:30

Nope, the warning was to someone else, I think

Great pics here of supporters

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:44:51

My battery is dying and I am going to have to go to bed, shall try and watch on my phone and then wake up for the end which should be 5-6am British time?

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:45:44

Yes the warning was to the other blood tho her oppostion tried to have it against her?

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:46:47

Ha ha loving this guy, read the bill to me SLOWLY so I can understand it! grin

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:49:46

Right off to bed but shall check in overnight.

MmeLindor Germany Tue 25-Jun-13 23:51:39

Yes, sniggered at 'read the bill slowly'.

bouncychair Tue 25-Jun-13 23:52:34

Why did she have to start talking so early?

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:54:12

Me too but she wasn't allowed to read the bill sad she is doing so well tho, rooting form her but from the comfort of my bed!

5madthings Tue 25-Jun-13 23:55:03

Grr another point of order being raised.

HerrenaHarridan Tue 25-Jun-13 23:55:13

I have no clue what is going on here and in shamelessly bookmarking to figure it out in the morning smile

MontanaW Wed 26-Jun-13 00:00:06

Newcomer here. Hope you don't mind me barging into the thread, but someone earlier was asking about the law that is being filibustered.

In addition to outlawing all abortions after the 20th week, it would require doctors providing abortions to have privileges at all hospitals within 30 miles of their offices, would ilmit abortions to surgical centres and require doctors to monitor nonsurgical abortions

Planned Parenthood says that 37 of the 42 clinics that currently provide abortions in Texas would have to close if this bill is passed.

MontanaW Wed 26-Jun-13 00:02:18

Yes, 5madthings. Midnight in Austin is 6 am in the UK.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 00:02:36

Oh, that's really scary. sad

So effectively there'd be five centres in the whole state? Cos that's going to work well.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 00:05:55

Yes its the details of the bill and the effect it will have that makes it really scary. plus am i right that some hospitals already refuse to affiliate with/work in partnership and provide care for places that providevabortion, often on religious grounds?

GibberTheMonkey Wed 26-Jun-13 00:07:58

I keep willing her to slow down talking

Justfornowitwilldo Wed 26-Jun-13 00:10:09

Yes. There would be 5 centres left in a state that's more than five times the size of England.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 00:13:45

Tbh given the size of texas 42 clinics doesnt dound that many anyway! Given travellingvtimes and distances etc.

And yes speak slowly.... Tho can she get told off for talking too slowly?

I missed the outcome of the last point of order, is there still only one against her and one against the other bloke but that doesnt affect her?

ThirdTimesABrokenFanjo Wed 26-Jun-13 00:14:31

Shes repeating herself!

Justfornowitwilldo Wed 26-Jun-13 00:14:39

The Catholic Church is a huge provider of healthcare in the US.

Wiki

'The Catholic Church has is the largest private provider of health care in the United States of America. During the 1990s, the church provided about one in six hospital beds in America, at around 566 hospitals, many established by nuns. The church has carried a disproportionate number of poor and uninsured patients at its facilities and the American bishops first called for universal health care in America in 1919. The church has been an active campaigner in that cause ever since. In the abortion debate in America, the church has sought to retain the right not to perform abortions in its health care facilities. In 2012, the church operated 12.6% of hospitals in the USA, accounting for 15.6% of all admissions, and around 14.5% of hospital expenses (c. 98.6 billion dollars). Compared to the public system, the church provided greater financial assistance or free care to poor patients, and was a leading provider of various low-profit health services such as breast cancer screenings, nutrition programs, trauma, and care of the elderly.'

What this women is doing, what is required of her, in order to stand against this attack.on the rights of women, is heroic.
Thank you, MmeLindor for starting this thread, otherwise, I, for one, would still be in ignorance of her heroic actions.

Justfornowitwilldo Wed 26-Jun-13 00:18:56
BoreOfWhabylon Wed 26-Jun-13 00:19:12

Unfortunately, the video won't work for me but

GO WENDY! GO WENDY! GO WENDY!

Amazing woman.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 00:20:28

Repeating hersekf a bit must be ok? My live kink isnt working an error with it or something?

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 26-Jun-13 00:21:04

And thank you MmeLindor, I'm another who didn't know anything about this.

MontanaW Wed 26-Jun-13 00:23:13

Yes, most hospitals refuse to grant privileges to doctors who perform abortions. Many do so for religious reasons I don't have any numbers to hand, but the Catholic Church owns major hospitals all over the US. In the Pacific NW, it is becoming virtually impossible to find a hospital that isn't either owned by the Catholic Church or affiliated with the Catholic Church in some way. The Methodist and Lutheran Churches are also major healthcare providers in the US.

Justfornowitwilldo Wed 26-Jun-13 00:25:45

It would mean that the poorest women in rural areas would find it even harder to access abortion services.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 26-Jun-13 00:26:23

Thanks for this link, Mme, I'm up all day (it's 9am here) so I'll be cheering her on.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 00:26:38

Yes thats what i thought re the churches and their power to veto privilidges. Further control that already severly limits access to abortion sad

ThirdTimesABrokenFanjo Wed 26-Jun-13 00:28:50

she read out a whole letter twice, so wondered if it would get called out

GoshAnneGorilla Algeria Wed 26-Jun-13 00:30:19

She is an absolute hero.

Go Wendy!

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 00:53:45

I cant get the video link to work at the moment but was just reading about wendy davis. She has done a filibuster before to stop cuts to school funding? She sounds an amazing woman.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 01:09:04

grin

Anyone watching?! Someone challenged Davis, and another woman senator (Zaffirini) quoted the exact rules that were written 40 years ago, emphasizing how they say 'he shall not lean on his desk'. She concluded by pointing out Davis is a woman, so if we take the ruling literally, this does not apply to her! grin

She got a laugh and applause, and I thought it context of niggly rules and women's bodies, it was a point well made.

Snazzywaitingforsummer Wed 26-Jun-13 01:17:22

Go Senator Davis! Wishing you a strong voice.

WhentheRed Wed 26-Jun-13 01:20:24

I won't be able to sleep tonight! Glued to the computer.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 01:21:17

Ha ha thats great! I cant get video link to work but they have been arguing about a back brace? Still all the arguing wastes time... Tick tock 5hrs 40mins to go...

MmeLindor Germany Wed 26-Jun-13 01:22:12

I missed what happened with the back brace.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 01:24:05

I am in bed but keep trying youtube and reading the comments so i can tell what is happeninh. She must do this. If not i think all women should leave texas, go camp out of state till they overturn it! Pretty sure most of the men voting for it would change their minds with no women around to do all the work!

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 01:25:43

They were trying to say that as someone helped her put it on and so 'comforted' her it was against the rukes. Lots of discussion and a vote? And they decided in her favour?

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 26-Jun-13 01:27:04

I kind of love that they are spending so much of the time debating the rules here. Means she doesn't have to talk quite as much.

Startail Wed 26-Jun-13 01:28:23

Not sure what to add except it's an insane way to make laws and good luck Wendy!

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 01:35:42

They decided against her, 5mad. sad

I have to admit, I know it's serious but I've been giggling at them all asking questions that boil down to 'and, um, she's had two warnings ... so what does that make the next one ... the third? And that would be ... bad, huh?'

MmeLindor Germany Wed 26-Jun-13 01:35:53

Yes, found it now. She was assisted by other senator to put on the back brace, which was against the rules.

One more strike and she is out.

It's a crazy way to run a state, that's for sure.

MmeLindor Germany Wed 26-Jun-13 01:37:05

Malensky
I've been laughing at that too. It's only counting till 3.

GibberTheMonkey Wed 26-Jun-13 01:38:52

What would try do if she was in a wheelchair?

GibberTheMonkey Wed 26-Jun-13 01:42:21

*they

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 02:00:27

Ooh, that's an interesting point gibber.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 26-Jun-13 02:50:45

What is going on now? Are they debating if the filibuster is valid now?

Some guy is talking about "is she allowed to read "from a computer" instead of from paper? WTF?

MoetEtPantsOn Wed 26-Jun-13 03:32:43

She is still going. Amazing energy. And still talking about relevant matters. No reading cookbooks here.

wentshopping Wed 26-Jun-13 04:35:50

tuned in rather late to this.
I can't quite tell what they are arguing about now. Disgusted at comments on news story on local news site. (Am in Texas)

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 26-Jun-13 04:39:37

As far as I understand this:

Texas has a three strikes and you're out rule re filibusters. They've ruled that she's 'out' because:

1) Talked about Planned Parenthood budget
2) Someone helped her adjust her back brace ("helping/assistance", not germaneness")
3) She talked about sonograms. Which are, by the way, mandated in some States prior to accessing an abortion. But you know. Not relevant! Apparently!

Now they're debating parlimentary order - who is allowed to speak when, has someone yielded the floor, etc - basically in an attempt to get past the midnight mark.

It's utter, utter crap. A back brace! Sonograms!

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 26-Jun-13 04:40:24

Moet, she has to be bang on topic to count in Texas.

She's still standing, too. Not leaning on anything. It's been an hour since she said anything.

MoetEtPantsOn Wed 26-Jun-13 04:46:01

She was still going when I typed my post. I have the flu so went off for a lie down after that.

I suppose all this argy bargy at least fills in the time. How bad must the person who adjusted the brace feel. Although if not that, they would have found something else I would think. Surely sonograms are highly relevant.

MoetEtPantsOn Wed 26-Jun-13 04:47:40

Or is it that if she is not talking at midnight then the filibuster is invalid? Sorry, fuzzy flu brain

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 26-Jun-13 05:03:06

Nope, as long as the special session called to debate the Bill doesn't finish until midnight, Gov Perry can't sign it into law, and she's succeeded (although obv not stopping them calling a new special session), so this is Dems trying to stall, and GOP trying to Shut This Whole Thing Down.

I'm gathering that the rules actually say three strikes for germaneness only - so actually three warnings, where one was for the brace, shouldn't mean she's over and done anyway. Which is why she's still on her feet, I guess.

WhentheRed Wed 26-Jun-13 05:32:49

How much longer to go? They are still talking.

The big man in the blue suit who is currently talking, is he a Democrat? He REALLY seems to be using delaying tactics so is he trying to continue the filibuster?

What time is it in Texas?

WhentheRed Wed 26-Jun-13 05:40:39

20 minutes to go. 11:39 pm.

KaseyM Wed 26-Jun-13 05:41:18

It's got 21 mins to go. Go Wendy. Makes me sick that a bunch of old farts get to decide what women do with their bodies.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 26-Jun-13 05:45:51

Yes he's Dem - Sen Watson. The lady in the white suit is also Dem.

I hate that they've shut up Sen Davis though, even if the filibuster works. She was just so brilliant!

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 26-Jun-13 05:47:42

White suit lady - van der Putte - totally called them out! "At what point does a female senator have to raise her voice or hand to get recognised". HA!

She has paved the way. I like that her colleagues are helping her. Could they get their stuff through in 15 minutes? When can we be sure it worked?

Sorry, just got the point that the debate has to go on until midnight. My sound keeps cutting in and out and I have to go to bed.

WhentheRed Wed 26-Jun-13 05:51:52

Oh my, it's chaos. There are 10 minutes to go and I have no idea what is going on.

ThirdTimesABrokenFanjo Wed 26-Jun-13 05:52:12

is the crowd technically fillibustering now?

MmeLindor Germany Wed 26-Jun-13 05:54:31

Just woke up and can't make sense of it. What happened?

WhentheRed Wed 26-Jun-13 05:55:03

I don't know - six minutes.

FairPhyllis Wed 26-Jun-13 05:55:35

Apparently the crowd have been arranging bail and lawyers in case they need to storm the chamber.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 26-Jun-13 05:57:49

I'm really nervous now, I'm not sure that the crowd is filibustering. They're voting at the same time, so there's no reason the GOP can't let the crowd yell until midnight and then announce that it's passed.

jollyhappy Wed 26-Jun-13 05:57:59

3 minutes - briliant!

MmeLindor Germany Wed 26-Jun-13 05:59:11

There is some confusion on twitter - think they have been voting. Not sure of legal position

Amazing scenes

WhentheRed Wed 26-Jun-13 06:03:34

They are voting. Is it on the Bill?

This cannot end well legally. it is after midnight. Does the clock stop for interruptions?

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 26-Jun-13 06:03:40

Nobody seems to know what is what! (Ps MmeL, what is your twitter handle? I'm sure I used to know)

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 26-Jun-13 06:16:18

So this is what I've got so far:

One of Davis' violations was for assistance with a back brace, nothing to do with germaneness.
The other two were for mentioning Planned Parenthood and sonograms, both of which were considered non-germane.
And the Dems still managed to filibuster.
And then the GOP voted after midnight anyway, and now claim that it's passed.

With 175,000 people watching on YouTube, plus all the live feeds from inside.

Seriously? SERIOUSLY?

MmeLindor Germany Wed 26-Jun-13 06:17:42

Lots of rumours on twitter about the vote. They are trying anything to get away with it

MmeLindor Germany Wed 26-Jun-13 06:18:30

Tortoise
PM me (can't on phone)

Kveta Wed 26-Jun-13 06:26:11

Was following this overnight, but have NO idea what has happened! confused

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 26-Jun-13 06:28:22

Kveta, I summarised just upthread. Right now the lawmakers are huddled, but the official position is that the bill passed. Reported by AP, CNN, etc.

WTF? angry

Kveta Wed 26-Jun-13 06:32:47

(Excuse me for being sleep deprived and stupid) that's awful, right? The republicans have just trodden all over her on technicalities?

I am so glad I moved back to the UK...

kelda Wed 26-Jun-13 06:36:18

So she did it, but they voted anyway?

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 06:42:54

What the actual fuck this has to be contested surely?

SconeRhymesWithGone Wed 26-Jun-13 06:44:50

The republicans have just trodden all over her on technicalities?

Yes, indeed. No surprise there.

But I am so glad I stayed up to watch it. It was very inspiring. Some very brave and feisty women (and a few good men.)

Not all is lost, I hope. I am certain that this law will be challenged in the courts. It creates such a heavy burden on the rights set out in Roe v. Wade, which ironically enough, came out of Texas.

Now to bed. I'll catch up in the morning.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell Wed 26-Jun-13 06:48:21

Pretty much, yes, and then they've gone and voted after midnight.

Good summary here:

Texas Tribune liveblog - also worth noting that some Democrats said that they didn't realise the vote was even called, due to gallery noise. So they were holding their arms out to show the time to the gallery (i.e., 12:02), not voting. Not sure if that's credible but the whole thing is a total shambles.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 06:49:28

The debate is now if the vote was called before mudnight?

And yes it will be challenged, so how can we support the challenge? I for one will be sharing on fb, signing petitions anythung and why is this not in mainstream news?

bouncychair Wed 26-Jun-13 06:52:20

Being reported on the guardian website

bouncychair Wed 26-Jun-13 06:53:34
5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 07:02:14

I like that president obama tweeted his support for wendy smile

Still reading and it sounds a bit of a shambles at the end and reports are conflicting that it has been passed or that it wont stand?

MrsLyman Wed 26-Jun-13 07:02:32

Morning, just heard this mentioned on 5live they said it was unclear if the vote went ahead. Be interesting to see how this will develop.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 07:07:30

Yep it seems unclear if the vote counts/was legal. The guardian says the same.

GibberTheMonkey Wed 26-Jun-13 07:11:09

What's the betting they claim it all unfair and make her do it again

OddBoots Wed 26-Jun-13 07:12:38

I'm shocked at the blatant rule breaking, they've changed the official time stamp!

twitter link

How can they do that and retain any reputation as a democratic nation when people all over the world could see it happening?!

OddBoots Wed 26-Jun-13 07:16:21
MmeLindor Germany Wed 26-Jun-13 07:25:14

Can't believe they changed the timestamp. Don't they know that thousands of people around the world were watching?

Tee2072 Wed 26-Jun-13 07:27:43

Just seen this, was asleep while it happened.

The actual timestamp is all over Twitter as 1202.

There's no way they are going to get away with it.

GibberTheMonkey Wed 26-Jun-13 07:31:31

They forget that the rest of us reached this century.
One of information and technology.
Not quite where they got left behind but it's quite a way back

OddBoots Wed 26-Jun-13 07:33:45

I wish I could say there is no way they will get away with it but these are some of the most privileged and powerful men, they are used to getting their own way.

It is certainly a timestamp of another sort though, this may well mark the official time that the USA stopped being a democracy.

Tee2072 Wed 26-Jun-13 07:37:39

They won't get their own way this time. The whole world is watching. It will be overturned by SCOTUS, if necessary.

It may take some time. There may be damage to the women of Texas before it unwinds. But the time for Old White Men To Win Is Over.

msrisotto Wed 26-Jun-13 07:40:18

Wow this doesn't look good! So much for land of the free. If you don't like the outcome, just change it! Simples. Politicians are fucking corrupt, who would have thought!

msrisotto Wed 26-Jun-13 07:41:36

I wonder if Obama will step in? He should, it's a travesty and mockery of the system.

MmeLindor Germany Wed 26-Jun-13 07:42:01

Can't believe they changed the time stamp. Nincompoops.

tribpot Wed 26-Jun-13 07:44:29

There's some poor sod who runs their website who is feeling like utter crap right now. Tampering with an official record?

I see that the Texas Senate Clock now has its own Twitter feed. It doesn't seem happy to be overruled on matters of 'telling time' grin

What a complete disgrace.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 07:47:11

Has there been an official statement released by amyone?

Kveta Wed 26-Jun-13 07:48:38

loving that clock twitter feed - 'I HAVE A SPRING FOR A BRAIN AND EVEN I RESPECT THE SANCTITY OF A WOMAN'S BODY & SELF DETERMINATION.' grin

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 07:52:42

Lol at the clock! I am now folllowing..

They cannot change time! .

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 07:53:39

Yes yes kveta i liked that tweet as well! grin

msrisotto Wed 26-Jun-13 07:54:52

Yeah the clock makes me laugh: "COME UP HERE AND CALL ME A LIAR TO MY MOTHERFUCKING FACE!"

thecatfromjapan Wed 26-Jun-13 07:56:39

Thanks for telling us/me about this, MmeLindor.

What an amazing woman!

(I still have my fingers crossed for the outcome ...)

msrisotto Wed 26-Jun-13 08:02:39

It is illegal to tamper with official government record, it's all over twitter. The vote has to be declared void.

Tee2072 Wed 26-Jun-13 08:05:39

I do not think the President can step in. SCOTUS can though.

The States do have some autonomy, that's part of why we have States.

But they are not going to get away with this.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 08:09:18

What is SCOTUS? exactly.

I havent seen any official spokesperson say anythung, british media is saying its still unclear/undecided?

Tee2072 Wed 26-Jun-13 08:10:28

What is SCOTUS? Supreme Court of the United States.

tribpot Wed 26-Jun-13 08:10:29

Supreme Court of the United States.

Tee2072 Wed 26-Jun-13 08:11:08

It's not just the screenshots of the website that are around, BTW. The official paper record has been photographed and published to Twitter.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 08:14:11

Ah i know what that is but havent heard it referred to as SCOTUS and i was readung it as that and not quite engaging my brain enough ti think what it could stand for....

Where is a link to the official paper record?its just crazy to think they think they can get away with it. It is falsifying an official document?!!

Tee2072 Wed 26-Jun-13 08:15:35
LurcioLovesFrankie Wed 26-Jun-13 08:20:35

What an amazing thread! Wendy Davis is my new hero. I love the clock twitter feed.

herethereandeverywhere Wed 26-Jun-13 08:34:23

Wendy Davis is my new hero too. In the centenary of Emily Davison throwing herself under the Kings horse women are still putting themselves on the line physically and mentally for fellow women's rights. So many things have changed in that time - and yet - watching a Senate full of men bending and breaking rules to pass anti-women legislation I can't help but feel that things aren't that different.

The interplay of modern technology as the eyes of the world is a fascinating aspect although it didn't affect the results of the Presidential Election in 2000 where they got W.Bush anyway!

Wendy Davis I salute you.

jollyhappy Wed 26-Jun-13 08:39:16

She's done it - the republicans have just backed down.

GibberTheMonkey Wed 26-Jun-13 08:39:30

The bbc are reporting it as having passed

Can't work out what's happening now

GibberTheMonkey Wed 26-Jun-13 08:40:54

Ooh x posts

A very very nice x post

Tee2072 Wed 26-Jun-13 08:41:43

Just saw one Tweet that said Lt Gov said bill was dead.

Tee2072 Wed 26-Jun-13 08:43:47

Now seen two that say that, from Cecile Richards.

Don't see anything official, though.

Tee2072 Wed 26-Jun-13 08:45:32

Reports of Senators returning to floor to announce vote has been overturned.

MrsGeologist Wed 26-Jun-13 08:49:39

Fucking yes!
The time stamp thing is very sick making though.

Tee2072 Wed 26-Jun-13 08:49:55

Yup. AP just Tweeted:

BREAKING: Texas lt. gov. reverses himself, declares vote on tough abortion bill came too late to pass.

mignonette Wed 26-Jun-13 08:50:25

Is there anything more corrupt than some Texan Republicans?

Answers on a postcard.

flowers flowers flowers Wendy Davis flowers flowers flowers

Tee2072 Wed 26-Jun-13 08:51:36

Republicans in general, mignonette.

GibberTheMonkey Wed 26-Jun-13 08:56:00

I thought you were saying Wendy Davis was more corrupt there for a minute. shock

Well not seen anything official but the reading out of Wendy's text etc seem legit enough grin

squeaver Wed 26-Jun-13 08:58:31

Emerging from a Senate caucus meeting, state Sen. John Whitmire, D-Houston, said the legislators decided that the after midnight vote on SB 5 was invalid.
"There was not a valid vote," he said.
Now, the senators are coming back into the Senate chamber, where we expect a formal ruling on the final disposition of the bill.

This is from the Texas Tribune live blog.

Hassled Wed 26-Jun-13 09:00:55

What a complete star Wendy Davis is. I think I love her.

I am really really confused - BBC fairly emphatic is saying it has passed, but that story was last updated at 8.11.

Dackyduddles Wed 26-Jun-13 09:03:49

I cannot remember a day where I was moved to tears by news that was not either a bomb or a child murder. This is truly moving and awe inspiring. I love the feeling of watching history unfold. This will be remembered.

Go girl!

Hassled Wed 26-Jun-13 09:09:19

I'm watching youtube clips and well - I don't know, something in my eye possibly.

And it worked grin grin.

tribpot Wed 26-Jun-13 09:09:59

Beeb breaking news Twitter feed reports AP news that deadline was "actually missed". Eh, not following this story very closely, are you BBC?

TunipTheVegedude Wed 26-Jun-13 09:11:59

OMG!
I just sent dd to school having ranted about the dirty double-crossing Texans doing the vote anyway. Does that mean it is all ok?

MarinaIvy Wed 26-Jun-13 09:14:22

Haven't read the whole thred, but just pondering: wouldn't somebody need a Stadium Buddy for this kind of thing?

13 hours without a loo break! Sheesh.

MrsGeologist Wed 26-Jun-13 09:14:23

I hope heads roll for the bastards who tried to make it look like the vote was valid. It's a dirty, scummy trick, and totally undemocratic.

If it weren't for social media, do you think the tampering would have even been noticed?

LtEveDallas Wed 26-Jun-13 09:16:39

Fantastic.

Wendy Davis is an amazing woman who should go down in history for this monumental achievement.

I am in awe of her. Wendy Davis salute you (seriously, just stood up an saluted my PC screen...my co-workers think I am mad grin)

Thank you Wendy thanks

Dackyduddles Wed 26-Jun-13 09:18:05

Mrs, if someone who saw it cared then yes probably it would come out. Wouldn't like to bet on chances maybe, but I'm always optimistic!

mignonette Wed 26-Jun-13 09:20:02

BBC Red Button is reporting that the bill has passed. Am aware that this may be inaccurate but what if it is not? angry

GrumpyKat Wed 26-Jun-13 09:23:55

Wendy Davis, we salute you.
As a woman who would have had to make the journey upstate to receive care at the very vulnerable age of 17 I would like to thank you for protecting the interests of other women like myself.

You deserve to go down in history for what you have achieved today, you are a truly remarkable woman.

<Also seem to have something in my eye>

LizTerrine Wed 26-Jun-13 09:24:17

I'm confused - the bbc is still reporting that the bill was passed...?

GrumpyKat Wed 26-Jun-13 09:25:36

I forgot to send you thanks

MrsLyman Wed 26-Jun-13 09:30:31

Wow, this is amazing despite her opposition lying and cheating to get their way, she did it.

Thank you for starting this thread mmelindor, I'm really glad I found out about this.

squeaver Wed 26-Jun-13 09:31:16

The BBC is just being slow. This is from the Texas Tribune guys who are actually there:

Without recognizing Sen. John Whitmire, D-Houston, for a motion to adjourn Sine Die, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst stepped down from the dais after ruling that time had expired on SB 5, telling the senators, "It's been fun, but, um, see ya soon."
He then told reporters that "An unruly mob using Occupy Wall Street tactics" derailed legislation that was designed to protect women and babies.
He said he was "very frustrated."
"I didn't lose control of what we were doing," he told reporters. "We had an unruly mob."

Hassled Wed 26-Jun-13 09:33:15

I have a grin etched on my face.

Dackyduddles Wed 26-Jun-13 09:35:11

Bbc is rather analogue isn't it now? Every thing else is digital..... They are so slow.......!

MmeLindor Germany Wed 26-Jun-13 09:36:25

It is dead.

Thank you, Wendy Davis. We shall always remember the day you stood for women, not only in Texas. You sent a message to the world that women will not sit and allow legislation be passed that affects our lives.

thanks Wendy.

MrsLyman Wed 26-Jun-13 09:40:34

The BBC is slow because the have more stringent verification processes for breaking news than the commercial stations. In the age of the Internet it an seem a bit unnecessary, but having seen sky news report someone as dead when they weren't in the course of breaking news I can understand why.

'designed to protect'
Fucking knobber!

flowers Wendy! What a woman!

maggie "fucking knobber" indeed! grin

twofingerstoGideon Wed 26-Jun-13 09:45:45

Just another one saying well done, Wendy. This has made my day.

msrisotto Wed 26-Jun-13 09:48:47

Whilst I'm very glad the vote was nullified, this filibuster doesn't stop the vote happening another time does it?

MrsCampbellBlack Wed 26-Jun-13 09:50:20

Totally amazing. I bet someone in Hollywood is busy coming up with the film rights.

Boosiehs Wed 26-Jun-13 09:50:55

I have tears in my eyes. What Wendy Davies did yesterday for women in Texas, and in fact everywhere, is absolutely amazing. She is my hero.

maggie "fucking knobber" - couldn't agree with you more. Just another instance of old white men trying to decide the fate of women's bodies. C****. Sorry for the use of that.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 09:51:44

I was watching it, and I'm proud to say my aunt and cousin were two of the many protesters in the public gallery, who were there to stand with Wendy.

They got hauled out of the gallery by Texas Rangers, on the order of the Lt. Governor, along with the other protesters.

One of the Republican Senators has called the protesters "terrorists" on Twitter. Gobsmacked by that.

Anyway, bravo Wendy, and I say Wendy for President!

scallopsrgreat Wed 26-Jun-13 09:52:47

Oh that is such good news that it is dead. Thanks MmeLindor for starting this thread. Learnt a lot about US politics (amongst other things).

Well done Wendy Davis flowers

Here's a glass of wine too. You've earned it wine grin

JulesJules Netherlands Wed 26-Jun-13 09:58:47

Thanks for sharing this thread Mme flowers

<cries>

100 years after Emily Davison died, thank God for women like Wendy Davis and how horrendous that this was even necessary.

Sausageeggbacon Wed 26-Jun-13 10:04:44

Another one saying well done to Wendy Davis

The only person that should decide what a woman does with her body is that woman. If the republican men want to decide on abortion let them get pregnant.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 10:04:57

Awesome, tears here, Wendy Davis you are amazing and her supporters too.

So glad they have prevailed.

freedom give your aunt and cousin a pat on the back from me.

Let's hope this marks the start of a turning point agaoant this kind d of barbaric legislation.

I was looking online last night for a charity that supports women's rights in America, is there a good one? I found a Texas one but some states have eight week abortion like its and many seem to make it very hard to access, so there a charity that supports women who need help or even one that is trying to challenge legally the states that restrict abortion.

edam Wed 26-Jun-13 10:13:32

Wow. Was so pissed off this morning when the Today programme reported she'd been stopped with one minute to go, but got an email from her campaign saying she did it!

What an amazing woman. Hope she's having a looooong lie down. grin

LeGavrOrf Wed 26-Jun-13 10:14:34

Thanks for this thread mmelindt.

How marvellous. What a wonderful woman, and what an achievement.

Freedom that is amazing that your relatives were there, but to be called terrorists, bloody hell. grin

So sobering the endless campaign to restrict women's rights, or retract what has already been fought for and won.

Crying at my desk (trying to be subtle).

What an incredible woman, but what a crying shame it required such a herculean effort to prevent such abuse and violation on womens rights.

She's a hero, and so are the people who supported her.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 10:18:29
FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 10:19:29

They were all out in the halls as well, filling all three floors, men and women, young and old.

My cousin said it was the most incredible thing she has ever experienced.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 10:21:35

Thank you freedom shall make a donation in honour wendy and her amazing achievement.

MadCap Wed 26-Jun-13 10:24:31

5madthings There's also Planned Parenthood. There right at the front in the war on women in the US and are being defunded all over the place.

TallGiraffe Wed 26-Jun-13 10:29:44

What an amazing woman.

Wendy please keep yourself safe, the world needs you to stick around flowers

TotallyBursar Wed 26-Jun-13 10:33:05

That was an amazing thing to have watched.
The fragility of our rights has worried me for a while (this isn't the first attack on our bodies requiring defence) and the increasing anti abortion feeling being publicised in the UK (where we have existing rights) has made me very concerned.

Wendy Davies is an inspiration to us all - she, and her colleagues, have done a staggering days work today. thanks thanks thanks

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 10:33:10

This is amazing. I was driving and trying to get any news in the car ... no luck!

So glad she did it. What an amazing woman.

I loved some of the senators who supported her, too, brilliant.

kelda Wed 26-Jun-13 10:36:06

Well done to Wendy Davisflowers

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 10:39:14

Yes I thought about planned parenthood as well smile

North Dakota bans abortion from once there is a heartbeat IE 6wks!! Fgs how can that be legal?!

I loved some of the senators supporting her as well, they were awesome. BBC news has caught up, but there is mention if a 'special session' to try again to get it through?

Wow. Wendy Davis <adds to spreadsheet of Women Who Kick Arse And Refuse To Be Silenced>

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 26-Jun-13 10:51:18

Fantastic! Thanks so much for this thread and for all the explanations. Stay safe, Wonderful Wendy.

50shadesofvomit Wed 26-Jun-13 10:57:57

Wow. Just speechless. Wendy you're an absolute star to have managed this feat. I hope that you're getting lots of rest now. Congratulations and thank you for standing up for what should be a human right- the right for a woman to choose what to do with her body. Amazing lady. Just wow...

evelynj Wed 26-Jun-13 11:32:44

Great-thanks for bringing this to my attention, how wonderful.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Uruguay Wed 26-Jun-13 11:35:44

Wendy Davis thanks

I'm utterly in awe of what you did.

Kewcumber Wed 26-Jun-13 11:37:44

What an inspirational woman. I'd love someone to send her a link to this thread. Wendy, women all around the world salute you.

pollywollydoodle Wed 26-Jun-13 11:38:56

i had to go out when they had "voted" and really didn't e
want to go
fan-bloody-tastic result Wendy grin
Hope you had a lovely wee!

We need more people like this in politics. People who actually want to , in fact insist, on improving lives and make a difference.

Amazing, uplifting thing to see. Well done Wendy.

Please send her/tweet her link to this thread so she can see she's get international support. I would but I'm a Luddite and twitter confuses me.

WhistlingBay Wed 26-Jun-13 11:50:35

Amazing lady - well done Wendy.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 12:14:09

I've sent her a link via Twitter.

Startail Wed 26-Jun-13 12:22:51

Well done Wendy,!!!!!

Wossname Wed 26-Jun-13 12:26:33

So inspiring, and appalling that it's neccessary.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 12:35:18

My aunt has sent a very long e-mail to Bill Zedler, the House Representative who called the protesters "terrorists", and who also went on to call the protesters the "pro-abortion crowd".

I thought you might like to read this snippet...

"I was part of the Senate protests last night and am proud to have stood up for what I believe in, which I did in support of Wendy Davis, and alongside thousands of other open-minded Texans.

My niece alerted me to the fact, that on Twitter you labeled us terrorists, which initially I found offensive. However, the more I think about it, the more I realize that in your eyes we are. We're terrorists, because we instill terror into rich, white Republican men like you, as you know we won't keep quiet anymore. We aren't the obedient women of yesteryear, we won't allow your sort to tell us what to do any long, and that terrifies you. Well I'm glad. May you long be terrified, because now we've found our voice, we're going to keep shouting."

*

I love my aunt.

Startail Wed 26-Jun-13 12:35:55

BBC ap reporting it as dead now.

Awfully badly written mishmash of an article.

Wendy not named, no mention of how long she had to speak etc.

Had I not read this thread, I'd have had no idea what was involved.

If anyone knows who to email tweet to at the beeb for decent journalism please, please do!

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 26-Jun-13 12:37:42

I love your aunt too, Freedom!

Justfornowitwilldo Wed 26-Jun-13 12:39:16

We all love your aunt.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 12:41:19

Way to go to your aunt freedom she rocks!

Justfornowitwilldo Wed 26-Jun-13 12:41:28

Wendy rocks. As does every woman in that gallery.

leeloo1 Wed 26-Jun-13 12:41:47

Wow, fantastic that she stood up for what she believed in - and for the rights of women in Texas. We need more politicians like her.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 12:47:57

My aunt has been waiting a long time for this, because Texas is obviously a red state, and she and others like her have felt like a lone voice for many years.

She says the tide is turning though, that the younger generation of Texas are becoming more liberal, and some are even educating their parents.

Yes at the last election, the Republican majority grew slightly, but she said it's nowhere near like it was when the Repubs would get close to 70% of the vote share.

Her belief is, that Texas will turn blue one day, maybe not in 2016 but possibly in 2020.

I tried to tweet the bbc but I'm on my phone and have no clue how to work the mobile site.

Quenelle Wed 26-Jun-13 12:50:35

What an amazing woman. How fantastic that Wendy Davis' stand was successful.

Can this happen again? If so how many times? Until one side gives up?

MmeLindor Germany Wed 26-Jun-13 12:53:25

Freedom
I love your aunt too. Please thank her and your cousin, in lieu of all those brave women who stood with Wendy.

5madthings
Yes, I was going to suggest Planned Parenthood too. They do such great work.

eurozammo Wed 26-Jun-13 12:54:49

Kudos (as my US colleagues say) to your aunt freedom, and of course to Wendy.

I love that Obama tweeted his support.

I can't believe (or maybe I can) that the Republicans tried to skew the time of the vote - lying barstewards!

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 12:57:32

Yes it could happen again, and Lt. Governor Dewhurst has said Governor Rick Perry might call another special session, to get the bill passed.

These women will be back though, and Democrats around the U.S. have said they'd travel to Texas, and join in and support Texans.

If they do call another session, they'll have an even BIGGER fight on their hands!

edam Wed 26-Jun-13 12:58:59

Right, Republicans called a vote that would have stopped the filibuster but in fact someone in charge has ruled that vote was too late, so Wendy has been successful in her attempt to talk the bill out...? That's an end to this bill?

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 13:01:49

Oh and something else of note, my aunt mentioned.

For a state that proclaims to be pro-life, tonight Texas will perform it's 500th execution since resuming the death penalty in 1982.

It's the execution of a woman named Kimberly McCarthy.

sad

Justfornowitwilldo Wed 26-Jun-13 13:12:37

They only care about life in utero.

CaptChaos United States Wed 26-Jun-13 13:17:16

Update 3:16 am
Just moments ago, Lt. Governor David Dewhurst announced to the Senate that SB5 is officially dead!

The Texas anti-abortion bill, which threatened to close nearly all of the abortion clinics in the state and prompted an 11-hour filibuster by state Sen. Wendy Davis (D), is dead, The Austin American-Statesman reported.

Lawmakers had to vote on Senate Bill 5 before the special session's end at 12 a.m. local time. However, more than 400 protesters halted the proceedings 15 minutes before the roll call could be completed with what they called "a people's filibuster," The Associated Press reported.

The crowd of demonstrators in the capitol cried "Shame! Shame!" when Davis' filibuster was halted by Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, who ruled that her discussion of mandatory ultrasound testing was off-topic. Then the protesters roared after state Sen. Leticia Van De Putte asked, "At what point must a female senator raise her hand or her voice to be recognized over her male colleagues?”

Their cries continued to echo inside the chamber -- and over a livestream watched by thousands around the world -- until after the midnight deadline passed.

Although some Republican lawmakers later claimed the bill had passed in time, Democrats denied that the vote was completed before the clock ran out on the session.

A time stamp showing the vote completed after midnight was the deciding factor. “This will not become law,” Sen. John Whitmire (D), told The Austin American-Statesman.

In response, the crowd of protesters gathered in the capitol cheered and began singing "The Eyes Of Texas," the alma mater of the University of Texas at Austin.

Background:
Wearing pink tennis shoes to prepare for nearly 13 consecutive hours of standing, Davis began the day with a one-woman filibuster to block a GOP-led effort to impose stringent new abortion restrictions across the nation's second-most populous state.

The filibuster began at 11:18 a.m. CDT Tuesday and continued until 10:03 p.m., less than two hours before the midnight deadline marking the end of the 30-day special session.

Rules stipulate she remain standing, not lean on her desk or take any breaks -- even for meals or to use the bathroom. But she also had to stay on topic, and Republicans pointed out a mistake and later protested again when another lawmaker helped her with a back brace.

Republican Sen. Donna Campbell called the third point of order because of her remarks on the sonogram law. Under the rules, lawmakers can vote to end a filibuster after three sustained points of order.

If signed into law, the measures would close almost every abortion clinic in Texas, a state 773 miles wide and 790 miles long with 26 million people. A woman living along the Mexico border or in West Texas would have to drive hundreds of miles to obtain an abortion if the law passes.

In her opening remarks, Davis said she was "rising on the floor today to humbly give voice to thousands of Texans" and called Republican efforts to pass the bill a "raw abuse of power."

Democrats chose Davis to lead the effort because of her background as a woman who had her first child as a teenager and went on to graduate from Harvard Law School.

In the hallway outside the Senate chamber, hundreds of women stood in line, waiting for people in the gallery to give up their seats. Women's rights supporters wore orange T-shirts to show their support for Davis, and Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst reminded those in the gallery that interrupting the proceedings could results in 48 hours in jail.

Davis tried to stay comfortable and sharp by shifting her weight from hip to hip and slowly walking around her desk while reading notes from a large binder on her desk. When a male protester stood in the Senate gallery and shouted, "Abortion is genocide," Davis continued talking uninterrupted as the man was removed by security.

Sen. Wendy Davis, D-Fort Worth, speaks as she begins a filibuster in an effort to kill an abortion bill, June 25, 2013, in Austin, Texas. / AP PHOTO/ERIC GAY
If the filibuster succeeds, it could also take down other measures. A proposal to fund major transportation projects as well as a bill to have Texas more closely conform with a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision banning mandatory sentences of life in prison without parole for offenders younger than 18 might not get votes. Current state law only allows a life sentence without parole for 17-year-olds convicted of capital murder.

Twice in the first six hours, anti-abortion lawmakers questioned Davis about the bill, presenting their arguments that it would protect women or that abortions were wrong. Davis answered their questions but did not give up control of the floor.

"This is really about women's health," said Sen. Bob Deuell, who introduced a requirement that all abortions take place in surgical centers. "Sometimes bad things can happen."

Davis questioned then why vasectomies and colonoscopies aren't also required to take place in such clinics. "Because I've been unable to have a simple question answered to help me understand how this would lead to better care for women, I must question the underlying motive for doing so."

Davis read testimony from women and doctors who would be impacted by the changes, but who were denied the opportunity to speak in a Republican-controlled committee. During one heart-wrenching story describing a woman's difficult pregnancy, Davis choked up several times and wiped tears.

The bill would ban abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy and force many clinics that perform the procedure to upgrade their facilities and be classified as ambulatory surgical centers. Also, doctors would be required to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles -- a tall order in rural communities.

"If this passes, abortion would be virtually banned in the state of Texas, and many women could be forced to resort to dangerous and unsafe measures," said Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Action Fund and daughter of the late former Texas governor Ann Richards.

CaptChaos United States Wed 26-Jun-13 13:17:46

Am trying to find the link, this was sent to me by my sister in Tx

Justfornowitwilldo Wed 26-Jun-13 13:24:03
Justfornowitwilldo Wed 26-Jun-13 13:27:26

Texas Senator Leticia Van de Putte deserves serious praise too.

ThirdTimesABrokenFanjo Wed 26-Jun-13 13:37:20

tears running down my face. I'm disappointed i cant vote for her my state could use a pair of steel ovaries.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 13:42:29

Yeah I can!

On the far left, second row up, she's the second one in.

The girl next to her, in the peach coloured t-shirt with her arm up, that's my cousin.

Going to send them that link.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 13:44:36

Thanks for that justfornow - probably would never have seen it, I've been looking at U.S. media sites, hadn't looked at any UK ones.

edam Wed 26-Jun-13 13:45:25

"Initially, Republicans insisted they had started voting before midnight, but official computer records and printouts showed the vote took place on Wednesday, but had been changed to read Tuesday." Sneaky sods! Glad they didn't get away with it.

MadCap Wed 26-Jun-13 13:48:28

It was a great win. Wendy is an inspiration. The war is long from over though and that new law were you can only get an abortion with the permission of the white male Republican governor makes me weep with rage.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 13:49:04

edam - thankfully some very quick thinking people, went on to the legislative website, and took a screen shot of it when it was reading the vote as having taken place on 6/26.

Then a few minutes later, it had changed to 6/25, to show the Tuesday. Cue another screen shot.

Twitter was soon awash with the two images, next to each other, and I bet that in the "secret meeting" that took place behind close doors to decide on the matter, this was shown to the Republicans. They wouldn't have conceded otherwise.

Llareggub Wed 26-Jun-13 13:56:43

Is there a way to contact Wendy Davis and send her my good wishes? I am so moved by this. If I ever have a daughter I might just call her Wendy.

Thank goodness for modern technology. Can nothing be done in light of the fact that what they attempted was fraud?

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 13:58:07

The rich, white male Republican Governor (Rick Perry) said yesterday (before the debate), "we value all life in Texas."

That same Governor recently signed off Texas' 500th death penalty warrant.

In his 11 years as Governor, Rick Perry has signed off over half of the Texas death warrants, with tonight's execution bringing him up to 261.

The state that values all life huh?!

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 13:59:41

Maggie - the Lt. Governor said, "someone changed it, but we don't know who."

Yeah right - you can't tell me they don't have log in IDs and the like.

I wouldn't be surprised if some kind of formal complaint wasn't made about it within the coming days.

Llareggub Wed 26-Jun-13 13:59:54

I've found her contact details and I have emailed her. What a woman.

edam Wed 26-Jun-13 14:03:14

Sneaky sods, so glad people were on the ball and spotted the big fat lies.

YY of course they can tell who did it...

MadCap Wed 26-Jun-13 14:03:37

Sorry just realised my post didn't make sense. the governor I was referring to was in Iowa.

I'm so glad I found mumsnet. Your aunt sounds brilliant. Love her email.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 14:09:16

Another example of the fight not being over...

Ohio Abortion Bill

maja00 Wed 26-Jun-13 14:23:43

This has brought tears to my eyes, what an amazing effort.

Llareggub could you possibly PM me her email address? I'd like to write to her too.

edam Wed 26-Jun-13 14:30:40

Senator Wendy R. Davis, email: wendy@wendydavisforsenate.com

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 14:35:35

The best feature I've read about last night yet...

Wonkette

GibberTheMonkey Wed 26-Jun-13 14:49:26

Love it freedom

tobiasfunke Wed 26-Jun-13 14:50:48

Now that is the sort of politician we need.

Good on you Wendy.

scallopsrgreat Wed 26-Jun-13 14:52:51

Your aunt is amazing Freedom! Good on her.

scallopsrgreat Wed 26-Jun-13 14:54:14

And that is a brilliant feature in Wonkette!

Next time someone tells me that it is not worth voting, I will sit them down for a LONG lecture on why there are a few, a minority, a tiny amount of politicians who are awesome. Wonderful Wendy Davis. I was sniffing back tears telling DH about it this morning.

ThirdTimesABrokenFanjo Wed 26-Jun-13 15:11:15

domas been struck down! im so excited by my country thisweek

edam Wed 26-Jun-13 15:12:36

Love your link, Wonkette, very witty.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 15:18:44

Scalia is reading his dissent statement.

Won't be any other decisions for a while then!

LineRunner Wed 26-Jun-13 15:49:23

Next time someone says Politicians Are Only In It For Themselves, I will say 'Wendy Davis'.

Just amazing.

MmeLindor Germany Wed 26-Jun-13 15:51:23

Love the Wonkette piece.

TeWiSavesTheDay Wed 26-Jun-13 16:12:28

Ah she is fabulous! I was actually looking for a good feminist middle name for DD2 (in utero) Wendy has just made the list.grin

And absolutely bloody fabulous job the protesters and the rest of the democrats there did. So many people who stood up and fought.

MmeLindor Germany Wed 26-Jun-13 16:25:35

I am going to set you all off again with this story of the woman who challenged Defence of Marriage Act, which has just been ruled as unconstitutional

SconeRhymesWithGone Wed 26-Jun-13 16:26:16

One of my favorite moments was when, at a lull in the shouts from the gallery, a lone woman's voice called out: "We are the people!"

SconeRhymesWithGone Wed 26-Jun-13 16:31:25

MmeLindor Thanks for that.

I went to bed last night thinking Wendy had lost her valiant fight. Then I woke up this moring to see she had, in fact, won. And then that SCOTUS had declared DOMA unconstitutional. My cup runneth over.

Tee2072 Wed 26-Jun-13 16:43:20

What a day for US politics!

After yesterday's SCOTUS ruling on voting I had little hope today regarding DOMA. Thank fuck I was wrong.

The US fight over abortion will never end.

GrumpyKat Wed 26-Jun-13 16:57:14

I have just emailed Wendy. I think she needs to hear the voices of support from around the world- we are watching, and we are applauding.

GoshAnneGorilla Algeria Wed 26-Jun-13 17:05:27

Trying not to cry reading this on the bus. Wendy Davis is amazing.

GibberTheMonkey Wed 26-Jun-13 17:27:42

You're right mme. You did set me off

mignonette Wed 26-Jun-13 18:35:16

here is a link to email contact

Thanks edam, have emailed her.

TheDoctrineOfAllan Wed 26-Jun-13 18:50:13

Thank you Wendy.

mignonette Wed 26-Jun-13 18:57:57

Sent Wendy the link to this thread. Though god knows that's the last thing she'll have time for...

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 20:10:38

Aw, what a lovely thing to do. I think it's really important, because the volume of support must matter a lot when you're doing something so strongly opposed by the people around you - I hope she is getting lots of messages of support from all over the world.

MmeLindor Germany Wed 26-Jun-13 20:21:14
ohmeohmyforgotlogin Wed 26-Jun-13 20:40:13

I've emailed her to. Amazing woman. Shall ensure my daughter knows her name.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 20:41:47

Lt. Governor David Dewhurst's rant on Facebook

For those who don't have Facebook...

I am furious about the outcome of the final day of this Special Session, when an unruly, screaming mob using “Occupy Wall Street” tactics derailed legislation intended to protect the health of Texas women and their babies. An unconscionable series of delaying actions by the minority party and their allies placed SB 5 in direct jeopardy of death-by-filibuster upon its arrival in the Senate. Pushing every parliamentary procedure to its limit, we passed SB 5 19-10, but the deafening roar from the gallery drowned out any possibility of adjourning with a signed bill. I pledge to Texas one thing: this fight is far from over.

GrumpyKat Wed 26-Jun-13 21:10:31

Dear Mr.Dewhurst,
I have to say I think you might be slightly off track here,
Yours
Women all over the world.

Prawntoast Wed 26-Jun-13 21:33:19

Dear Mr Dewhurst,

Bring it on!

mignonette Wed 26-Jun-13 21:46:12

Dear Mr Dewhurst,

Go Fuck Yourself. But wear a condom (Planned Parenthood).....Let's all tweet the arsehole.

hermioneweasley Wed 26-Jun-13 21:55:39

Why men feel they have the right to lead the charge on this issue, I have no idea. And dressing it up as concern for women is simply vile.

I have emailed Wendy as well, I hope she feels the avalanche of gratitude from around the world.

edam Wed 26-Jun-13 22:05:06

YY anti-choice men can fuck right off but anti-choice women are equally wrong. Both genders need to keep their noses out of other peoples' wombs.

mignonette Wed 26-Jun-13 22:11:59

They can fuck off too. I'm equal opportunity foul mouthed, me..

edam Wed 26-Jun-13 22:14:27

grin

That old line about 'don't like abortion? Don't have one, then' is still true today...

CaptChaos United States Wed 26-Jun-13 22:15:38

Such a sore loser, and yet a loser he remains

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 22:39:08

*Dear Mr.Dewhurst,
I have to say I think you might be slightly off track here,
Yours
Women all over the world.*

grin

Oh, yes.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 22:40:33

Btw, could he have looked any more lemon-faced while Whitmire was asking him if the next number after two was three and telling everyone else (over half an hour) how important it is to play nice?

(I kinda loved that bit.)

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 22:43:23

BREAKING NEWS...

Governor Rick Perry has called a second special session to debate and vote on SB5.

He said, "we will not allow the breakdown of decorum and decency to prevent us from doing what the people of this state hired us to do."

Session to be held on 1st July.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Uruguay Wed 26-Jun-13 22:46:27

Fuck it. Really? They really abhor women having control over their own fertility don't they?

Can it be stopped?

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 22:46:56

Oh, great. sad

Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed. I was really impressed by some of the senators, they were brilliant so I hope they get their message across.

This probably sounds stupid, but does anyone know if there's anything we can do? I'd love to be able to petition or donate or something just to show how strong the feeling - maybe to make some of these people see that the rest of the world is wondering what the fuck they're on?

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 22:49:43

Ffs I hope they don't get it through. What are the chances?

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 22:50:15

Visit Planned Parenthood - you can donate to them.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 22:51:36

malenky I donated to planned parenthood (who this bill would affect) they do great work smile

And yes petitions? I have found a Texas pro choice fb group I have followed and another women's rights one just to help share links and spread the message.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 22:53:01

Thank you!

Would you mind sending me the link, 5mad, I would really like to follow the Texas group.

I'd not thought of donating to planned parenthood but of course, that's the obvious thing.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 22:54:12

Honestly?

The chances are it will get through. I can see Perry, the arsehole that he is, trying to find a loophole in order to lock the public out of Senate for the session.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 22:57:23

I'm hoping that, even if it gets through (and it does look as if it will), the Filibuster will have raised awareness and might lead to more debate and, maybe, a reversal in the future.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 22:57:56

m.plannedparenthood.org/mt/www.plannedparenthood.org/

This the webpage, at the bottom is a link to follow to donate.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 22:59:40

But it was for america, I just got a relative to donate and transfered the money (they are in america) there must be a way to donate tho.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 22:59:51

Yes, I have the link for donating and have shared it on facebook already - if you don't want to share the Texas group, would you mind PMing me? Not if you don't feel comfortable though.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 23:01:25

Its shit. Can they not insist on amendments, or challenge it legally?

Plus I read in north Dakota the limit is six weeks or a detected heartbeat? Is that being challenged?

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 23:02:10

Sorry, cross post.

There is, it's here: https://secure.ppaction.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=pp_ppol_Nondirected_OneTimeGift&s_src=ppol_onetimegift_old

You just check 'none' under state and choose 'uk' under country, so far as I can see (I've just shared this so just donating).

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 23:03:38

www.prochoicetexas.org

This is their webpage on fb look up naral pro choice Texas and it should be at the top of the groups that come up.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 23:05:00

It appears to go through.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 23:05:41

Thanks very much, 5mad

edam Wed 26-Jun-13 23:07:26

Rick Perry really is a tool. 'Breakdown of decorum' - that's code for 'how dare the little ladies dare to speak up. Shouldn't they be straightening their pinnies, ready for the menfolk to come home after a long day making the laws that are way too complicated for mere women to understand?'.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 23:08:45

It has definitely opened some people's eyes, especially GOP's attempts to cheat the vote last night.

My aunt's neighbour is a Republican voter - albeit not a really hardline one - and she commented to aunt how GOP's direction and their dirty tactics have pushed her to the blue side.

I'm sure there must be others like her.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 23:11:34

There is also this group
www.thisispersonal.org/

That is their webpage and they have a fb page, not specifically for Texas but for women's reproductive rights. Search 'this is personal' on fb and they will come up.

For some reason my nexus is not letting me cut and paste fb links..,

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 23:12:31

The fight in North Dakota goes on.

Personally, I fail to see how such restricted abortion law can be legal, as surely it goes against Roe -v- Wade?

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 23:14:26

That's really encouraging, freedom (well, I guess what'd be really encouraging would be her not voting Republican before, but ...).

Can they repeal Roe-v-Wade at a state level, or is it one of those that affects everyone?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Uruguay Wed 26-Jun-13 23:16:08

Some of these republicans really are dirty tricksters aren't they? That whole time amendment thing - if the democrats had done that you can bet republicans would have caused some serious repercussions by now... witchhunts, arrests, hauling someone's arse through court. They are nasty, and used to getting their own way.

Good on Wendy for fighting the good fight though - I hope they can pull something out of the bag this time...

edam Wed 26-Jun-13 23:16:09

You'd think, wouldn't you, Tess... but I imagine someone would have to take a case all the way to the Supreme Court to prove that the Dakota law is unconstitutional. (Am far from an expert on US law, though.)

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 23:16:50

Contact form for Rick Perry

Now what to say...

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Uruguay Wed 26-Jun-13 23:19:13

Dear Rick Perry,

You are a cheating, misogynistic cunt.

Love, the good people of Britain.

xx

grin

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 23:21:03

Edam - you're right, it needs someone to take it to the Supreme Court (SCOTUS) and prove it to be unconstitutional.

Much like today, of course, when couples challenged DOMA and Prop 8. SCOTUS ruled both unconstitutional.

Justfornowitwilldo Wed 26-Jun-13 23:22:18

They tried to attack Roe v Wade and then realised that they don't need to overturn it. They just need to make it impossible for clinics to actually operate legally and tag on restrictions to accessing abortions. Essential things like setting out in law the size that the toilets in the clinics should be or making parental consent essential for under 18s. It's even sadder when you realise that a heavy percentage of the women seeking abortions wouldn't actually be in that position if they could access contraception or the morning after pill, which the same groups restrict access to.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 23:24:16

sad

That is so disturbing, just.

I was talking to a US friend and being stunned all over again at how hard it is even to access contraception.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 23:24:32

Malenky - no they can't repeal Roe -v- Wade at state level, as it was a Supreme Court ruling.

Justfornowitwilldo Wed 26-Jun-13 23:26:30

If they actually cared about women but were anti abortion they wouldn't be making it incredibly difficult for women to get reliable contraception. The worst seems to be trying to access the MAP.

Justfornowitwilldo Wed 26-Jun-13 23:28:53
FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 23:29:11

The women hardest hit if the number of clinics is cut from 42 to 5, is low-income/poor women who won't live near a clinic. They will not be able to afford travel to the next clinic.

And what do GOP hate just as much as abortion? Poor people having babies they can't afford.

Beggars belief.

Justfornowitwilldo Wed 26-Jun-13 23:30:41
LineRunner Wed 26-Jun-13 23:32:01

Imagine a legislative chamber, populated largely by women, debating on whether or not men should have the right to have a vasectomy, and the legislature deciding that it doesn't approve of men having the final say in their own bodily autonomy and reproductive status.

Imagine a woman saying, 'Men who feel they want a vasectomy are too vulnerable to be able to make the right decision on this. It's not good for society. So we'll decide for them. And they're not allowed to.'

SconeRhymesWithGone Wed 26-Jun-13 23:34:48

MRD

It can't be overturned at the state level. It is a decision of the US Supreme Court and applies nationwide as it is based on the US constitution; only the Supreme Court could overturn it. The states do have some range in which to regulate abortion as they do other medical issues. Anti-choice interests are intent on trying to use this regulatory authority to pass state laws that narrow availability of abortion. Some of these are very suspect in light of Roe, but once enacted then pro-choice interests have to raise and spend money on legal challenges.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 23:37:28

Thanks scone and freedom. Sorry ... I should know, must've been one of the many West Wing scenes where I wasn't fully concentrating on the dialogue.

line - yes, exactly! angry

How is it Perry can call a special session? I thought the whole point of the filibuster was that the issue would be off the table for a good while if she succeeded?

By the way, as we are linking to abortion support charities II'll just mention https://www.abortionsupport.org.uk/ They provide financial assistance and accommodation for Irish/Northern Irish women who are forced to travel to the UK for the procedure.

5madthings Wed 26-Jun-13 23:51:33

https://www.abortionsupport.org.uk/

Click link, yes women of Ireland need our support as well.

This enrages me it really does, keep politics and religion out of my uterous thanks very much.

SconeRhymesWithGone Wed 26-Jun-13 23:54:57

SingingSilver How often a governor can call a special session depends on state law. Perhaps Wendy Davis and her supporters hoped he would not call another one if they prevailed on the filibuster, but I am not surprised at all that he is doing it.

BTW, it has been all over the news here in the US today, mostly very positive coverage, so there has definitely been some much needed education and consciousness raising.

FreedomOfTheTess Wed 26-Jun-13 23:58:40

Silver - they cut Wendy off about 15 minutes before midnight, as she was talking about past abortion legislation (that a scan had to be shown to each woman before the abortion), and the rich, white American men in charge said it wasn't relevant to the discussion. They said she had to stay on point and she didn't. (How talking about past abortion legislation isn't relevant to a
debate on abortion legislation I don't know).

That's when the crowd took over by booing, jeering, heckling etc. GOP tried to conduct the vote and role call while the gallery were protesting.

GOP are saying they weren't prevented by Wendy Davis, as in their eyes, she didn't filibuster until midnight. They're saying they were prevented from voting due to the "unruly mob," and therefore warrants a new session.

Of course, there are many who will argue that Wendy Davis didn't veer off topic, so I can see it being challenged.

This could run and run.

FreedomOfTheTess Thu 27-Jun-13 00:00:50

Although having said that, Perry could still call another session, even if they hadn't cut Wendy off.

MmeLindor Germany Thu 27-Jun-13 08:23:27

If you are looking for people to follow on Twitter - Irin Carmon (@irincarmon) is great. I was in Kenya with her last year and she has done loads of work in this area and is v well informed. She writes for salon.com and is soon to be moving to MSNBC.

Also Michelle Goldberg (@michelleinbklyn), who wrote The Means of Reproduction. It is a great book, which looks at the global battle over reproductive rights, including contraception, abortion, FGM.

I don't know enough about US political system, but I presume that the GOP will push their agenda through eventually.

FreedomOfTheTess Thu 27-Jun-13 10:10:12

In Texas they will, as GOP have the majority in Senate, for the moment at least!

FreedomOfTheTess Thu 27-Jun-13 10:11:17

Thanks for the Twitter recs, will follow them right now.

TeWiSavesTheDay Thu 27-Jun-13 11:11:17

Probably an obvious question - what does GOP stand for?

MmeLindor Germany Thu 27-Jun-13 11:24:43

Grand Old Party

or Grand Old Patriarchs

Grumpy Old Patriarchs

Sure there is a lot of fun been had over the years with that.

TeWiSavesTheDay Thu 27-Jun-13 11:26:12

grin

FreedomOfTheTess Thu 27-Jun-13 11:32:00

Just been told by a lovely Republican man, that he hopes my children get cancer, because I speak the word of the devil.

This is why I hate Twitter sometimes.

MmeLindor Germany Thu 27-Jun-13 11:43:14

Block and ignore.

I don't get into arguments with anyone about this topic. It turns ugly too quickly.

FreedomOfTheTess Thu 27-Jun-13 11:46:13

I did MmeLindor - didn't even bother replying - not worth my time.

ThirdTimesABrokenFanjo Thu 27-Jun-13 13:02:59

pro- life

its a funny old word isnt it?
you're allowed to block every bill that would feed and provide medical care to actual children.

you're allowed to wish cancer on actual children.

you're allowed to block medical care to actual women. make it unaffordable and then take away free clinics.

and be pro death penalty confused

oh and davis haa had her office fire bombed.

you'd almost think its nothing to do with being pro-life and everything to do with hating women.

AmandaPandtheTantrumofDoom Thu 27-Jun-13 13:06:32

You know what, I think maybe the phrase pro-life needs to be reclaimed.

I am pro-life! I am pro-women's lives. I am pro-children's lives. I am pro-men's lives. I am pro-curing people who are sick, feeding people who are hungry and pro-supporting those who are poor.

I am pro-life damn it.

I happen to also be pro-the-right-to-access-safe-and-legal-abortion.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Thu 27-Jun-13 13:08:27

YY, 'pro-life' really pisses me off. Especially in this context.

FreedomOfTheTess Thu 27-Jun-13 13:27:31

This special session is going to cost $30,000.

Texas' debt is $287 billion.

It may "only" be $30,000, but that's $30,000 more on the debt clock.

Yes Thirdtimes The rather cuddly phrase pro life is actually cover for some distinctly murderous and / or violent attitudes.

FreedomOfTheTess Thu 27-Jun-13 13:37:07

In my aunt's words...

Texas Republicans are pro-life until birth.

SconeRhymesWithGone Thu 27-Jun-13 14:00:56

As I understand it, in the special session, they will have to start over with the process, and there will be far greater scrutiny this time. Cecile Richards, who is head of Planned Parenthood (and also a Texan; she is the daughter of former governor of Texas Ann Richards) has vowed to fight on. GOP will likely prevail but it could be a turning point in the long game because there is a rising tide of support for alternatives to the hard right in Texas.

It was amazing to me the amount of coverage Wendy Davis got in national news media yesterday in the US, especially considering it was such a big news day on other fronts. And you could tell that the women newsreaders and commentators especially could hardly contain their excitement and admiration. Wendy Davis even gave some interviews, which was very impressive to me. She must have been utterly exhausted. (She had the pink sneakers she wore for the filibuster on the window sill behind her.)

edam Thu 27-Jun-13 21:15:38

Love the pink sneakers getting a walk-on part, as it were...

She's just SUCH a star, as were the whole team behind her. I know the fight goes on and all that, the dinosaurs won't just succumb to a handy meteorite, but still, it's a major battle won and a disaster avoided. For now.

SconeRhymesWithGone Thu 27-Jun-13 21:31:07

Check out this thread with the reviews on Amazon of the sneakers.wink
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/1790226-Review-of-the-pink-tennis-shoes-worn-by-Wendy-Davis

tribpot Thu 27-Jun-13 22:30:51

I love those reviews! This one is extremely well done:

"I was in the market for new shoes a few years back. One night I went to the shoe store and ran into this very pushy salesmen. I told him that I was browsing and not quite ready to buy yet. He wouldn't let up on his sale tactics and forcibly put a pair of shoes on me. I ran out of the store crying, not sure what to do.

Every time I would try to take them off, a man would show up out of nowhere and tell me that if I didn't want them I shouldn't have put them on in the first place. When I tried to explain they were forced upon me he would say if they were legitimately forced on me, my body would have rejected them. And if that was the case, i should have taken them off sooner. Luckily I had the means to leave the state. At which point I could finally take those shoes off."

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Thu 27-Jun-13 23:20:22

I don't see a link to this ... what a load of misogynistic crap! angry

www.youtube.com/watch?&v=zB2P9CSxAdY

FreedomOfTheTess Fri 28-Jun-13 12:22:54

Rick Perry just proves how clueless he is.

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