BBC 6 o Clock news fails to mention that..

(39 Posts)
BullieMama Mon 24-Jun-13 18:43:38

women play at Wimbledon as well as the men! Lashings of praise for Murray, Federer et al but no mention of Sharapova win or any other women's result for that matter.

scallopsrgreat Mon 24-Jun-13 19:59:32

'Twas ever thus <sigh>

It is depressing isn't it? And it's one of those things I never noticed so much until I started getting interested in feminism and now I notice it all the time. It is subtle and we are conditioned to accept that sport is primarily about men.

Someone on here called it the 'homo' gaze as opposed to the male gaze.


gaggiagirl Mon 24-Jun-13 20:03:40

Bloody Murray! He's a right misery guts anyway my telly finds him offensive.

I know it's OT but Andy Murray is lovely! I've met him several times and he couldn't have been nicer. He just suffers from Resting Bitch Face. As do I. When I smile I look like I'm in pain, so I don't bother unless it happens involuntarily.

I like this Charlie Brooker article about Andys non-smiling face

But it does piss me off that the press only seem intereested in women's tennis when they can report on an alleged feud. They delight in perpetuating the myth that all male tennis players get on great and all female tennis players are at each others throats.

grimbletart Mon 24-Jun-13 22:56:37

As an ex player and lifelong tennis fan I agree about the way women's tennis is treated as secondary. But I cannot bear to watch Sharapova or Azarenka. Their screeching is like someone slamming a door on a cat's tail and way beyond the male grunting.

Why the fuck can't tennis authorities bring in a rule that penalises it? It borders on gamesmanship as it totally obliterates the sound of the ball on the strings, thus diminishing the chance of the opponent spotting how much slice and spin the ball is being hit with.

Maybe too late to stop the current crop of screechers but it could be done for youngsters coming up.

I like Murray though

Azarenka is the worst in that respect for me, because of the hooting! Grunting/screaming I can understand, but hearing 'hoooo' everytime she hits the ball is maddening because it sounds so unnatural!

scallopsrgreat Mon 24-Jun-13 23:11:40

I'm not seeing how "screeching" hmm stops the BBC reporting on women's tennis.

grimbletart Mon 24-Jun-13 23:12:01

I like Murray too. He's much maligned and a far nicer person in "real life" than his court persona. Anyone see the documentary about him Sunday night?

MiniTheMinx Mon 24-Jun-13 23:29:18

The only time I seem to see anything in the press about women's tennis is when its a report about someone's personal life, style of dress or as mentioned above feuds. I agree, tis v depressing.

I play tennis quite a lot (not as much as I would like) I don't hoot, scream or screech. Tennis is quite boring to watch now, they are all base line players. Bring back Navratilova & Novotná.

TheDoctrineOfAllan Tue 25-Jun-13 01:17:30

Love that article, SingingSilver

sashh Tue 25-Jun-13 01:20:48

It's not just tennis though is it.

When did you last hear what is happening in women's football, volleyball, boxing, darts <insert sport of choice>

I know that a few years ago our national women's netball team won the world championships in great syle, but it wasn't really mentioned in the media, except for a well deserved double page spread in Grazia magazine.

KaseyM Tue 25-Jun-13 14:11:46

I wish they would let them play 5 sets.

scallopsrgreat Tue 25-Jun-13 19:49:07

So do I Kasey and so do a lot of the women. Billie Jean King has certainly fought for it.

FadBook Tue 25-Jun-13 20:00:01

The England netball team had a historic win really recently and didn't even get a mention on BBC or radio (5 live briefly covered it)

I actually complained to Radio 1 News Beat (given that their listeners are young female, and netball is very popular amongst them) and got a response from the Producer apologising (blaming the morning news reporters for "forgetting" to include). It was included the next day at every news point and they put it on Facebook too to discuss their achievement.

It still didn't get the coverage it deserved and me complaining about it on my Facebook resulted in so called banter jokes about women in sports not being interesting (it was great for my blood pressure you can imagine angry)

Complain about it - use twitter or email BBC news reporters.

Why are sports women missed out?

meddie Sat 29-Jun-13 08:05:07

Annoyed the way they rattle on about it being 76 years since a British wimbledon winner. So Virginia Wades 1977 win doesn't count then?

TheDoctrineOfAllan Sat 29-Jun-13 08:18:49

Yes, meddie, also Jonny Marray in the doubles last year and Jamie Murray in the mixed a few years ago.

Ferraro1 Sat 29-Jun-13 17:20:20

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KaseyM Sat 29-Jun-13 17:42:01

Ferraro1 - keep your porn stars. Protest for equal pay for them or get rid of porn for all I care. As for tennis, the WTA offered to play 5 sets but this was declined.

Now why don't you go and address the rest of the pay gap, you know in the areas that affect the vast majority of us. Or does that not swing in the direction you would like.

And what does this have to do anyway with the coverage on BBC? Or did you just come on here to teach us all a lesson?

ThirdTimesABrokenFanjo Sat 29-Jun-13 17:57:10

yes well when youve likely got hundeds of men clamoring to do the job free it's going to knock wages down isnt it?

TabithaStephens Sat 29-Jun-13 18:35:51

There aren't any British female tennis stars of the standard of Andy Murray. Hopefully Laura Robson will change this.

Ferraro1 Sat 29-Jun-13 18:59:28

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TheDoctrineOfAllan Sat 29-Jun-13 19:21:34

I don't think any horny bloke would want to do it for free, no.

But male porn stars (if in heterosexual films) run less chance of infection, anal fissures etc.

TheDoctrineOfAllan Sat 29-Jun-13 19:24:04

Back to the topic - bear in mind that apart from the grand slams and maybe a couple of other tournaments, the men play three sets too.

Are all tournaments "equal pay" or just the slams?

Meglet Sat 29-Jun-13 19:31:54

What they need to do is alternate the Sunday singles final, one year have the women and the next year have the men closing the tournament. Same prizes and 5 sets.

I'm interested in the potential Murray v Williams match they've mentioned.

TheDoctrineOfAllan Sat 29-Jun-13 19:33:38

That's a good idea meglet.

zippey Sat 29-Jun-13 19:52:26

Difficult one, female tennis is in a bit of a doldrums with no one really standing out except perhaps Serena Williams. I do think that if the tables were turned and Laura Robson for example had a chance of winning Wimbledon, and Andy Murray was an average player then the news focus would be on the female.

However, that comment shouldnt disguise the fact that female sport in general is much maligned and looked down upon and Im not really too sure how to change that. I don't know if I'll get shot down for this but Id guess it is men who mostly watch and participate in sport, and the best records are usually held by men.

On a slightly different issue, but to do with sport and womens equality, I notice women are still not allowed into some prestigious golf clubs:

TabithaStephens Sat 29-Jun-13 19:58:21

You couldn't have women only playing the final over five sets when all the other games are three.

Andy Murray would destroy Serena Williams. She'd be lucky to win a game. The sisters played a set each against a man ranked 200 and something and lost 6-2 and 6-1. The only women to win one of the battle of the sexes games was Billie Jean King who beat 55 year old Bobby Riggs.

zippey Sun 30-Jun-13 00:17:49

women play at Wimbledon as well as the men! Lashings of praise for Murray, Federer et al but no mention of Sharapova win or any other women's result for that matter.

Also, just wondering if the OP is really all that interested in Wimbledon, why would Federer get praise when he's out, and Sharapova was ousted in the 2nd round.

TheDoctrineOfAllan Sun 30-Jun-13 00:19:37

Zippey, check the date. OP posted on the first day of Wimbledon.

TheDoctrineOfAllan Sun 30-Jun-13 00:20:39

Tabitha, I think there are non-slam men's tournaments where that happens - isn't that how Olympics men's tennis works?

sashh Sun 30-Jun-13 02:29:47

Do you think we could get away with only paying 75% of the licence fee due to lack of women's sport?

TabithaStephens Sun 30-Jun-13 03:33:33

TheDoctrineofAllan, the men are used to playing 5 set games. Women are not. It would be very hard to have every game you play be 3 sets and then only the GS finals be 5 sets. It's not like players even know they will be in the final so can train for it.

TheDoctrineOfAllan Sun 30-Jun-13 08:14:22

I suspect one of the reasons they don't want to change the women's game to five sets, given the WTA have offered, is that scheduling the slams would be much harder (and the women's doubles and mixed doubles might also go to five sets then).

grimbletart Sun 30-Jun-13 18:39:45

Billy Jean King made an interesting point when she was interviewed at the premiere of the film made about her match with Bobby Riggs. She said that the WTA had persistently made it clear that the women were happy to play five sets but it has always been turned down, although she personally would prefer it if the men played three as they do for the non Grand Slams because it would probably mean that they could sustain a longer career in professional tennis.

It must be a scheduling issue that is preventing 5 sets at the slams for women as even the most sexist of tournament directors must have noticed that, in general, the longer a sporting event is the better women cope (think triathlon, iron man, long distance swimming challenges etc.) because women come into their own in events requiring endurance as opposed to explosive power.

Mind you I am not sure I could stand 5 sets of the screamathon that Sharapova and Azarenka put on grin. I always mute the telly when they are playing.

specialsubject Sun 30-Jun-13 19:36:39

agreed - noting that Serena Williams, Laura Robson and many others can play without the stupid shrieks. Glad to see Sharapova go out as it means the women's game is now watchable.

arsenaltilidie Sun 30-Jun-13 20:42:43

Women and men's sports is a bit like rugby and football.
Most people are not interested.

Encourage more women to play sports.
Also few sports clubs are run by women.

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