anyone want to sign in here in a no engagment pact?

(75 Posts)
SatsukiKusukabe Wed 10-Apr-13 23:35:14

To not responsd to MRAs or the like? They really want us to engage while they don't listen and as said earlier (by runninginheels, us think ) we should probably not be giving them the attention they are craving

I find it difficult to stay out of threads with MRAs as others will be engaging so you feel as though you need to to keep up. If all if us just say at the time, I'm not going to give this person the time of day it might make it easier for all of us, to talk around the person and hopefully they'll get bored and go away.

(and yes, this is a silencing tactic)

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YouMakeMeWannaLaLa Wed 10-Apr-13 23:57:02

I agree with this sentiment...it's just so tempting, though isn't it? That must be how they feel when then hunt incessantly for stumble accross these boards...the overwhelming urge to correct us.

I think some are worth engaging with, though. I used to be pretty ambivalent regarding feminism but watching debates between both sides IRL and online really helped crystallise my views. Discussions on here may do the same for lurkers...and surely no one could side with the MRAs after reading their tripe (I truly hope).

I will join you for ignoring the outright goaders and trolls, though smile

OnlytheYoni Thu 11-Apr-13 00:01:47

Also ignoring goaders and trolls. I'm fed up of being hectored.

SatsukiKusukabe Thu 11-Apr-13 00:04:01

I don't mind your run of the mill whiner, it's the proper MRAs that I've grown tired of lala they're just sooooo tedious and derail all the interesting chats you see regarding fwr. Thanks for signing in smile

TeamEdward Thu 11-Apr-13 00:07:57

Sorry to be thick (F/WR lurker here) but what does MRA stand for?

SatsukiKusukabe Thu 11-Apr-13 00:10:22

men's rights activist.




really

SatsukiKusukabe Thu 11-Apr-13 00:10:58

they're an actual thing

AnyFucker Thu 11-Apr-13 00:12:31

Some of them are even women. Allegedly.

HullMum Thu 11-Apr-13 01:04:31

emphasis in allegedly anyfucker

Bunnylion Thu 11-Apr-13 11:17:35

I didn't know what MRA was either, how cute.

But you can imagine with the little work they have to do for their cause, they must have hours to kill surfing mumsnet boards and the like.

slug Thu 11-Apr-13 12:00:07

I prefer the point and laugh route myself. Nothing they hate more than being made fun of by the wimmin for being a bit dim.

HullMum Thu 11-Apr-13 13:14:40

have mnhq explained why they are allowed to post, and why they aren't deleted as trolls? They have no vested interest in the site. And bnp activist wouldn't be allowed to come on posting that the holocaust never happened. Where as these guys have flat out denyed the rape statistics.

HullMum Thu 11-Apr-13 13:16:51

sorry posted too early. mnhq have emailed me to say they are investigating, but it seems to me it should be a straight ban for MRAs?

YoniTime Thu 11-Apr-13 17:49:10

That sounds good OP. However everyone does not always recognize that someone is a troll/goader/mra.

AnyFucker Thu 11-Apr-13 17:52:40

No, some of them can do a passable imitation of a proper person for short periods of time.

LastMangoInParis Thu 11-Apr-13 18:16:50

YY - agreed.
And yet... a tiny part of me was slightly disappointed by the deletion of the ramios threads a few weeks back. (Was only reading threads then, didn't join in, too knackered.)
Obviously the OP was pathetic, but in his tiny, small way, not 100% a timewaster. His eventual self-pitying posts were such perfect examples of MRA feeble mindedness, and the sort of spineless, myopic, neediness that accompany it. I really wish his main thread was left to stand so that posters like him could have been directed to them. Would have saved time for posters who in future will inevitably be too magnanimous to just ignore dimwit MRAs who 'need answers'.

SplitHeadGirl Thu 11-Apr-13 19:38:03

I don't think I have conversed with any of them and if I see them on here ( I mostly lurk anyhow) I just think they are all so pointless and can't be bothered with them. Ridiculous men.

BOF Thu 11-Apr-13 19:42:22

I'm in. I really think it's the only way to deal with them. The temptation to ridicule them is always there, but I think they thrive on it.

AnyFucker Thu 11-Apr-13 19:48:40

I really, really wish I could do this. Unfortunately, I am not up to the task.

Dadthelion Thu 11-Apr-13 20:31:41

Seems a bit counterproductive to complain about MRAs posting on MN and then start two threads about them.

Isn't that going to attract them?

caramelwaffle Thu 11-Apr-13 22:49:56

Just adding some support.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 12-Apr-13 00:07:58

I'm assuming you mean the one in Politics section now? He's very tiresome <yawn>. He's currently arguing with himself - quoting his own posts and then "proving" them. <arf>

Twentytotwo Fri 12-Apr-13 00:13:36

See. Already you're doing it wrong wink

YonirockandrollbutIlikeit Fri 12-Apr-13 00:16:12

smile Fantastic

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 12-Apr-13 00:18:56

No engagement can work. Plus reporting the goady fuckers to HQ.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Fri 12-Apr-13 00:23:05

It's poetic, isn't it, Sabrina?

Maggysinge Fri 12-Apr-13 00:25:28

Sabrina is that because he can come up with reasonable debate but you and your little mates here don't even want to debate so resort to your usual tactics of personal abuse? Crack on as it just shows to everyone outsider of mumsnet hoe deluded you lot really are.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 12-Apr-13 00:26:46

Just trying not to feed the trolls, Maggy.

Doctrine wine <cheers>

Maggysinge Fri 12-Apr-13 00:31:58

So anyone who doesn't agree with your doctrine is a troll then? Typical trying to shut down anything you don't agree with.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 12-Apr-13 00:35:02

FYI, Maggie, Doctrine's another poster here.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 12-Apr-13 00:36:11

But single issue posters, who join MN just to goad a poster/group of posters are reportable.

BasilBabyEater Fri 12-Apr-13 18:55:03

I veer between ignoring them, taking the piss out of them and occasionally throwing in a few facts.

Just for the lurkers. I'm not really talking to the limpdicks, I'm talking to the people who are reading who might be thinking that they have a point.

BasilBabyEater Fri 12-Apr-13 18:56:14

But I'll try and ignore for a bit.

HullMum Fri 12-Apr-13 19:35:46

I can see what you mean basil, but does it just encourage them to post more lies, for the lurkers to read? Not that it's easy to ignore at all, his last little post about 2 million men dying a year at work... women do 2/3 of the world's work... what do you want the bet the number is double for women? mumsnet should have a stabby emoticon.

BasilBabyEater Fri 12-Apr-13 22:21:42

I'm still struggling to understand why Mumsnet allows these trolls to use the boards for their misogynist activism.

All this kow-towing to free speech - in reality, it's just lining up with the people who have the loudest voices out there in the real world.

The media loves printing shit about how women are now more equal than men, allowing these arseholes to print their lies in the name of free speech, is just pretending that everyone's got the same volume of voice in the wider world. It's so unobservant.

HullMum Fri 12-Apr-13 22:52:22

yeah I'm quite confused as well. They have no actual interest in the site. Even daftpunk back when she was posting had a reason for posting on mn. they're here purely to goad. I think saying the rape stats are lies and that women probably commit more acts of DV against men than the other way around should be viewed as hate speech. If they were being racist or disabliast theyd be gone by now. But for some reason we have to accept that men should be allowed to have their say. angry

runningforthebusinheels Fri 12-Apr-13 22:57:32

Yes it was me that said that op.

Ooops - I haven't managed to take my own advice blush but like basil I veer between rolling my eyes at them/ignoring them and putting them right. And sometimes I have to take the piss.

AmandaPayneAteTooMuchChocolate Fri 12-Apr-13 22:59:58

I try to ignore and report. I'd like to be able to see the deletion message without having posted on the thread though, so I can see if it was someone previously banned, etc. Not sure you can do that by just watching a thread?

runningforthebusinheels Fri 12-Apr-13 23:00:38

By the way - I have reported him - but been told that MN aren't the arbitors of bad taste and were challenging him etc etc.

I'm not a fan of censoreship, but I think this does cross over into hate speech when he accuses feminists/mothers/women of neglecting their male children. hmm As if.

YonirockandrollbutIlikeit Sat 13-Apr-13 01:14:46

I think the little twerp has been pwned, at least for now.

HullMum Sat 13-Apr-13 01:59:05

amanda a lot of posters do just say posting for the deletion message. I don't think it annoys anyone like just marking my place does Since it usually isnt a sensitive subject

HullMum Sat 13-Apr-13 02:00:18

He has been pwned yoni, but I dont think he knows it. Such is the extent of his stupidity.

And how can you argue with someone like that? confused

Bessie123 Sat 13-Apr-13 02:14:58

I bloody hate MRAs. I don't usually get past the op because I don't have the patience to engage with them. Narcissistic little scrotes.

AmandaPayneAteTooMuchChocolate Sat 13-Apr-13 07:49:21

Thing is, saying 'just posting for the deletion message' means that the person is getting responses. They know they are being read. It also pushes it up active convos. I rather like the idea that these idiots come on here and are just roundly ignored. You know, not one reply and then deleted if appropriate. Not saying I'm not happy to have a proper discussion, but I think many of them are so obviously total bullshit that they are unlikely to educate even lurkers.

BasilBabyEater Sat 13-Apr-13 11:29:43

That's true.

What does PWN mean?

runningforthebusinheels Sat 13-Apr-13 11:41:37

Pwn means 'own' (originating from a typo I believe) ie beaten.

runningforthebusinheels Sat 13-Apr-13 11:45:33

Did you see the way he attacked Nick last night? angry he just doesn't realise that all men don't think like he does.

BasilBabyEater Sat 13-Apr-13 11:51:50

He's a great example of men who can't conceive that other men can be decent.

I almost feel sorry for these idiots sometimes.

Almost.

NicholasTeakozy Tue 16-Apr-13 19:51:20

I've not looked at that thread for a couple of days. There were things said that brought back bad memories, memories I'd kept buried for a number of years. It felt weird to put into words something I'd bottled up for so long, but it's out there now and it's too late to change that.

I hope Vadark and his ilk see sense, but I won't hold my breath.

Hullygully Tue 16-Apr-13 19:54:22

Can't we just shoot them?

It would save a lot of time and energy AND stop them spawning! Brill or what?

UnChartered Tue 16-Apr-13 19:58:50

or dig a huge hole at the gate to this section?

then we can fill the hole with shit we've collected from AIBU?

Blistory Tue 16-Apr-13 20:09:06

Can't shoot them - apparently women don't want the dirty or dangerous jobs. Was kind of hoping that that particular one we could bore to death but must admit to being intrigued to see if seeker wins the prize at the end of phase 3

Hullygully Tue 16-Apr-13 20:11:40

I had a looka t that thread earlier but immediately lost the will to live and left again

Sunnywithshowers Tue 16-Apr-13 20:12:13

(((Nicholas)))

Chubfuddler Tue 16-Apr-13 20:16:24

I think there should be an early warning system, like the < klaxon> the pus weirdos have. Then hully can shoot them.

TheCrackFox Tue 16-Apr-13 20:28:53

I'm in.

<FWIW I don't for a minute believe that any MRA posters are women.>

StickEmUpPunk Tue 16-Apr-13 20:29:57

Agreed on the shooting. Thanks Hully grin

CognitiveOverload Tue 16-Apr-13 20:33:14

How do you definitively know a poster is an MRA and not just someone with a different perspective? What's the definition?

Hullygully Tue 16-Apr-13 20:34:16

Check for a manana

Chubfuddler Tue 16-Apr-13 20:35:53

If it quacks like a duck it's a duck. They don't have to self identify as a MRA to be completely blindingly obvious as one.

I thought from the title this was something to do with not getting engaged to be married. blush

I have mixed feelings about the one in Politics. I haven't posted on it because I've only had time for a quick lurk for a few weeks now but I think it comes under the 'give 'em enough rope' category. I think I feel differently because it's not on FWR as well. That's not to say there aren't some really offensive views on that thread though. flowers for Nicholas and anyone else who's been upset by them.

The annoying little shit who keeps re-registering and getting banned again in this section has been putting me off reading and posting here for a while though, he seems only to want to shut down debate and ruin as many threads as he can until the ban hammer inevitably falls. Pleased to see MNHQ have been very quick to delete this evening, they must be as mightily sick of him as the rest of us.

On balance, signed.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Tue 16-Apr-13 21:27:58

I'd go for setting hully on them.

(Hugs to Nicholas.)

runningforthebusinheels Wed 17-Apr-13 00:18:05

Well, wouldn't you know it? It was all about him not wanting to pay maintenance in the end.

What a twat.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Wed 17-Apr-13 00:19:07

Fab 1000th post running!

runningforthebusinheels Wed 17-Apr-13 00:25:45

Thanks grin don't think I've ever had 1000th post before.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Wed 17-Apr-13 00:27:48

I wonder if he's paid his £20 subs to Mike yet?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Wed 17-Apr-13 00:28:31

(Sorry for engaging) blush

runningforthebusinheels Wed 17-Apr-13 00:30:08

Maybe we should set Hully on him next time though.

Blistory Wed 17-Apr-13 00:39:49

Let's hope he doesn't pop up somewhere here. Will sit on my hands this time as that was completely pointless in the end.

Sunnywithshowers Wed 17-Apr-13 01:08:54

It makes my head hurt just reading it (yeah, I know I shouldn't).

superarmysoldier Sat 01-Jun-13 07:58:53

If you don't think men's right are an issue, ask a divorced father.

And no, I'm not divorced, or a father. Or indeed an "MRA". And the existence of them does not detract from the vital work being done for Women's rights, they're not mutually exclusive.

scottishmummy Sat 01-Jun-13 13:19:03

absolutely not.i refuse to be silenced or told whom to engage with
you can exercise your preference,and I will exercise mine to engage as i wish
it's a hard fought battle to be heard without purposefully withdrawing.just because

scottishmummy Sat 01-Jun-13 13:25:09

I won't be told to fall in line,or whom to engage with.the point is to express an opinion
I'm bemused a feminist encouraging other women to not be vocal.feels intuitively wrong
and in past mn fem topics have had bullying culture of freezing posters out,or encouraging not to talk to those whose opinion unpopular.that was v wrong and caused a lot if issues

Lioninthesun Sat 01-Jun-13 13:25:36

Could MN not set up a special topic for MRA's, then these post ca be moved there away from general chat and stand as testimony to new MRA posters that we have heard it all before?

scottishmummy Sat 01-Jun-13 13:44:53

like the special topic that was set up for radfem,as we'd heard it all before?
that proved unpopular and folks felt mn was ostracising them
mn is an open forum.if you want your fem discussions highly moderated then you'll find that elsewhere

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