"Podium girls" - cyclist pinches bottom

(51 Posts)
kim147 Mon 01-Apr-13 08:55:50
Leithlurker Mon 01-Apr-13 09:02:30

In the same way Kim that you never get dolly blokes standing with the cars or motorbikes at big races.

I wonder what happens at the end of professional female cycle races? I am pretty sure there is such a thing?

kim147 Mon 01-Apr-13 09:03:41

How do they announce the new round in female boxing?

MrSlant Mon 01-Apr-13 09:10:45

Sagan is a bit of a knob. He's an utterly brilliant cyclist who has won a lot very young so is cocky with it. I doubt he will do it again though! Love how uninterested Cancellara looks.

Podium girls are such an anachronism now, it does say they are doing away with them now in favour of 'podium people', thank goodness.

MrSlant Mon 01-Apr-13 09:12:07

Sorry, forgot to say, when I saw the thread title I immediately knew it would be Sagan. Most cyclists aren't like that!

Leithlurker Mon 01-Apr-13 09:18:07

So I had to go and look as I needed to know about female pro cycling. The first one that google offers was an american team and it was basically much the same as any others, including the all female team members showing off long tanned limbs, in I would say not overtly sexual poses, but certainly using their bodies to sell the team. Nothing undressed or even remotely undressed, but still enough flesh on show to make mere mortals quiver with anxiety about their bodies.

The link if people want to see. corynrivera.com

MrSlant Mon 01-Apr-13 09:27:03

Not sure I see a problem with anything there. You do realise they spend their entire lives either wearing super tight Lycra or skin suits which are so thin they are practically non existent. I think the women on that website are an excellent example for young women. They will eat a very healthy but large portioned diet, you can't race a bike if you don't have fuel on board and their bodies are at a peak of fitness from hard work and exercise. Perfect antidote to the Towie types in all the magazines.

Leithlurker Mon 01-Apr-13 10:05:20

I think the problem arises in two areas, one is body image. Two, would be that by choosing to look like a clothes shop, or any corporate entity they are confirming the overarching exploitation of women by the patriarchy.

EduCated Mon 01-Apr-13 12:31:34

As far as I understand the issue here isn't scantily clad cyclists, but scantily clad, well, models I suppose, used to promote the team?

TeiTetua Mon 01-Apr-13 14:26:10

This is not three people seen at their best. Fabian Cancellara is standing there looking stoically embarrassed while Podium Babe kisses him ever so chastely and Sagan does what he does. If Monty Python were still around I'd wonder if they set it all up.

badguider Mon 01-Apr-13 14:34:17

Well the sport has pretty much put those women onto the stage as purely decorative and sexual objects. To 'reward' the male winners with a kiss.

Then they are all 'shocked' when one of the cyclist treats them as an object???

Hmmm.....

ashesgirl Mon 01-Apr-13 15:57:34

So she kisses the male winner. That gives anyone else the right to pinch her arse? Am I really reading this in the FWR section? Oh it's April's Fools, of course.

specialsubject Mon 01-Apr-13 16:02:38

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ashesgirl Mon 01-Apr-13 16:06:08

Errrrrr ...

ashesgirl Mon 01-Apr-13 16:06:44

Wowsers, off to stick my head in the sand for a few hours.

nethunsreject Mon 01-Apr-13 16:08:47

Fucking hell, yeah, sure, it's really her fault. . . hmm Can't believe I'm reading that tbh!

ashesgirl Mon 01-Apr-13 16:09:37

Can we resume normal service in the FWR section please? Anyone?

ashesgirl Mon 01-Apr-13 16:09:49

Ah thanks nethuns!

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 01-Apr-13 16:11:19

I think bad guider meant that it was hypocritical of the governing body to put the podium woman in an objectified position and then be surprised when one of "their own" acted like she was an object.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 01-Apr-13 16:12:12

specialsubject, on the other hand, I think is victim blaming.

nethunsreject Mon 01-Apr-13 16:12:42

I was rather agast at specialsubject's post too though!!

ashesgirl Mon 01-Apr-13 16:14:05

Ah ok, yes I can see what you mean about badguider's post.

badguider Mon 01-Apr-13 17:11:53

Omg!!! No!! I'm not blaming the woman! I'm blaming 'cycling' as a culture and the governing body for having "podium girls" in the first place. They're not necessary and are on a par (to me) with the girls on the grid at f1 and between boxing rounds.

ashesgirl Mon 01-Apr-13 17:48:04

Gotcha badguider :-)

Perhaps this will lead to a rethink of the whole podium girl thing in sport generally. Let's hope so anyway.

specialsubject Mon 01-Apr-13 19:33:20

oops, forgot the flameproof knickers.

come on folks - if girls didn't agree to do this kind of stuff it might help it die out. Same as if women weren't prepared to starve and pout in ridiculous outfits for money, the horrific 'role models' wouldn't be there.

I didn't say she deserved a sexual assault, I said she can't expect to be treated with respect.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 01-Apr-13 19:39:46

How would an acceptable level of not being treated with respect manifest itself, SS? Leery comments but not touching?

kim147 Mon 01-Apr-13 20:17:42

I think the whole idea of podium / pit girls is wrong - what is their purpose? Is it to hand stuff out / show the round? If so, why scampily dressed?

<Rhetorical question>

MechanicalTheatre Mon 01-Apr-13 20:26:18

I love formula one, but the pit/grid girls thing continues to lumber on and piss me off. The drivers never even pay them any attention! What on earth are they doing there? There's one female driver (who is currently in reserve) and yet we still see the need to have women in bikini tops holding a sign/umbrella.

Load.of.shite.

ashesgirl Mon 01-Apr-13 20:41:43

Whatever way you cut it, the presence of podium girls is sexist.

And it would be a massive leap forward if they stop using them.

Much as I dislike that these sporting events use them, the women still deserve to be treated with respect. Have seen many people on Twitter and in comments on articles today reply it's no big deal she had her bum pinched, that what can she expect if she works in such a job. Such ingrained sexism going on out there.

kim147 Mon 01-Apr-13 20:46:52

Exactly - do that at work and it's harassment.

ashesgirl Mon 01-Apr-13 20:49:48

I wonder if he will get disciplined for it actually?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 01-Apr-13 21:07:40

There were podium men and women during the Olympics - passing the flowers around, I think - all smartly and not skimpily dressed.

TeiTetua Mon 01-Apr-13 21:11:33

"Do that at work and it's harassment"--but what exactly are the expectations for this particular job? Maybe it's to stand around being a sexy babe, and accept some physical manifestations from the men to prove that it's having an effect. Once women are put in such a role, who's to say what the limits ought to be?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 01-Apr-13 21:12:57

Hmm, but both the cyclist and the podium woman were at work.

I'm pretty sure the groping was non-contractual, though the outfit may well have been contractual.

TeiTetua Mon 01-Apr-13 21:14:40

And the kiss, how about that?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 01-Apr-13 21:27:31

Well, kissing happens even from "dignitaries" doing the presenting and kissing on the cheek is a form of greeting frequently, where bottom pinching is not.

ashesgirl Mon 01-Apr-13 21:32:24

'Once women are put in such a role, who's to say what the limits ought to be?'

Hmm, the law? The event organisers? His employer?

Accepting the role of podium girl means you've waived away your right to be treated with dignity.

ashesgirl Mon 01-Apr-13 21:32:53

There should be a question mark on end of that last sentence.

ChunkyPickle Mon 01-Apr-13 21:35:14

When I watched motorbike racing there were your standard pit girls, but there were also a fair few teams that had fully dressed women and men holding the umbrella/drink/helmet/whatever.

At least in motorbike racing they do have a use - imagine sitting, in leathers on a hot motorbike in the backing Quatari sun waiting for the race to start - having someone to provide liquids and shade for that 10 minutes is actually vital.

Anifrangapani Mon 01-Apr-13 21:36:07

And another thing - more column inches have been used on this subject than is ever given to womens cycling. Sagan is a penis.

ashesgirl Mon 01-Apr-13 21:45:51

So he's now issued an apology on his FB page. The amount of people there telling him how brilliant he was for pinching her bum, how feminists are just ugly and jealous, how this is what men do and many would have gone further. Unbelievable.

TeiTetua Mon 01-Apr-13 22:27:08

"Accepting the role of podium girl means you've waived away your right to be treated with dignity.

There should be a question mark on end of that last sentence."

Or maybe there shouldn't.

It's a rotten system. We can argue over how rotten.

MechanicalTheatre Tue 02-Apr-13 03:04:42

"Accepting the role of podium girl means you've waived away your right to be treated with dignity."

What about if I go out wearing a short skirt and someone touches my ass? Is that my fault as well, because I've waived my right to dignity?

TeiTetua Tue 02-Apr-13 13:13:44

Actually the Independent's picture was trimmed. Things were twice as bad for Fabian Cancellara as it showed:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02524/Peter-Sagan_GI_2524093b.jpg

MT--once abuse begins, it's difficult to set a limit to it.

ashesgirl Tue 02-Apr-13 19:38:19

Sorry I don't really understand, TeiTetua.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 02-Apr-13 21:09:49

There are two podium women in the uncropped picture, ashes.

ashesgirl Tue 02-Apr-13 21:13:52

Thanks Doctrine ... but there were 2 women in the original shot I saw.

NiceTabard Tue 02-Apr-13 21:15:06

Oh yuck that picture look at his face. Puke.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 02-Apr-13 22:43:02

Ashes, OP's link only had one so I think Tei had been looking at that one.

TeiTetua Tue 02-Apr-13 23:23:14

Yes, I only saw one Podium Girl, in the Independent picture, though a second one was mentioned in the text. But that expression on Fabian Cancellara's face made me think he deserved a mention too, especially when I found a picture with both women. It made me think that being forced to interact with irrelevant pretty girls isn't necessarily what men always want. Perhaps the men who misbehave like it better.

Sorry to have forgotten the square brackets yet again.

TheSmallClanger Wed 03-Apr-13 01:20:43

It is not on to touch someone else's bum without their permission. Even if you're there to dish out the trophies and the cheek-pecks, you don't expect to have your arse manhandled.

The podium lady should have farted in his face.

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