All the trolls are rather proving our point?

(71 Posts)
PromQueenWithin Mon 18-Mar-13 13:16:52

What do you think? Their need to goad and twist everything suggests to me that there are at least a sizeable minority that really hate women (or at least only like those that know their place). Their presence in the world is evidence to me that we still really need feminism.

TrampyPants Mon 18-Mar-13 13:17:54

I agree. they are so desperate to keep the status quo, that it suggests that they DO see women as secondary to them.

Sunnywithshowers Mon 18-Mar-13 13:41:25

Absolutely. How dare women talk together about issues that affect women.

TrampyPants Mon 18-Mar-13 13:50:50

and <gasp> suggest that men shouldn't be able to do as they like.

Bad Wimmin!

Absolutely. They are just confirming that we still need feminism, that some people still think women shouldn't have strong opinions or speak out.

Actually, if anything, some of you have probably argued with me on threads before about why people wouldn't call themselves feminists. I've always said I prefer not to. Watching all these trolls has made me rethink that. So rather than dissuading feminists, they are actually having the opposite effect.

Thanks trolls.

Xenia Mon 18-Mar-13 13:58:08

I am not sure they think women are second. I think a good few of them fear women and think women might even be better than men.

TrampyPants Mon 18-Mar-13 14:03:51

Goths grin yay! fwiw, I didnt call myself a feminist until fairly recently either. A spate of MRA trolls changed my mind too.

we need feminism because a major new network has sympathised with the rapists, not the survivors.
we need feminism because one in four women have been sexually assaulted (although this figure is suspected to be higher)
we need feminism because one in four women will have been subject to domestic violence
we need feminism because one in three female murder victims, will have been killed by their partner.
we need feminism because MRA trolls still think that we need to shut up and put up.

TrampyPants Mon 18-Mar-13 14:04:59

Xenia, fair comment. I'm thinking of the men I know who argue the toss with me, they def think that women aren't as valuable as men.

Fillyjonk75 Mon 18-Mar-13 14:05:56

Completely agree.

VerySmallSqueak Mon 18-Mar-13 14:13:04

Sadly,women having opinions and discussing those opinions with other women still seems to present a threat to some.

I have only recently realised how many men actually genuinely hate/ fear women. And it frightens me.

Fillyjonk75 Mon 18-Mar-13 17:49:49

I realised that working in a traditional male dominated environment. Some men totally discombobulated when you don't fit their preconceived stereotypes. And women, to be fair.

scaevola Mon 18-Mar-13 17:51:31

Internet trolls however troll on all sorts of sites, even bereavement ones. The bigger the reaction, the better. It is quite possible they have no subject interest whatsoever.

PromQueenWithin Mon 18-Mar-13 18:04:56

Do they? sad

I actually agree with Xenia, mra's are scared of women and especially feminist or they would leave us to it. I bet they never felt the need to break up a WI meeting...

dummad Mon 18-Mar-13 20:32:07

Many men i have come across have a negative attitude towards feminism.

duchesse Mon 18-Mar-13 23:08:01

I agree that they are afraid. Afraid of women having opinions and talking about them without any kind of male input or need to include men in the discussion or defer to them. It would all be rather sad if it didn't translate into actual inequality for women.

stargirl1701 Mon 18-Mar-13 23:09:00


kim147 Mon 18-Mar-13 23:09:44

I think the trolls are changing tactics. Or have been drawn here from another website tonight.

ChristineKendog Mon 18-Mar-13 23:10:02

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runningforthebusinheels Mon 18-Mar-13 23:10:06

This board is certainly a magnet for them. They're out in force tonight. Yawntastic.

duchesse Mon 18-Mar-13 23:10:12

They were here last night as well. About the same time every sodding night.

It's definitely an invasion.

ChristineKendog Mon 18-Mar-13 23:11:25

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TrampyPants Mon 18-Mar-13 23:14:02

They aren't very bright, which is some consolation, I suppose.

duchesse Mon 18-Mar-13 23:14:47

I'll go further and say Very Very Thick.

TrampyPants Mon 18-Mar-13 23:21:11

Thick as lava and twice as slow.

I mean, what can they get from trolling us? Suppose it gives their wrists a break...

OonsOons Mon 18-Mar-13 23:22:05

You know nothing at all.

TrampyPants Mon 18-Mar-13 23:27:33

At least mnhq will deal with them.

Poor ickle fools.

Can confirm that trolls try to upset bereavement threads on MN. Sadly, myself and lots of other bereaved Mums have had an ongoing thread on MN for approximatley 6 years. In the past, and I suspect it still happens, our thread has been devastated by trolls pretending to be bereaved parents....WHY? No I havent got a clue why. Some sad people around.

BabyMakesTheBellyGoRound Mon 18-Mar-13 23:35:21

That's awful. Whatever about here or chat or aibu,bereavement is a sacred and personal space.

toothfairymummy Mon 18-Mar-13 23:35:22

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NannyPlumIsMyMum Mon 18-Mar-13 23:36:30

Mm to be honest reading some of the posts it seems as though its way past their bedtime .

Kids eh.

BabyMakesTheBellyGoRound Mon 18-Mar-13 23:38:22

Hahaha,did you just say cock,on the internet? Mummy will ground you and take away your pocket money.

PromQueenWithin Mon 18-Mar-13 23:38:23

Why bother? It's not like we're going to do as you suggest grin

Yep - 'kids of today' as my lovely Mam says!!!

Smile and and nod grin

PromQueenWithin Mon 18-Mar-13 23:39:20

Best Advert for Feminism Evah

runningforthebusinheels Mon 18-Mar-13 23:40:16

Don't think so toothfairy. Now back to your room. biscuit

Deep breathing - nice thoughts. Thats another one of my Mams gems!!

NannyPlumIsMyMum Mon 18-Mar-13 23:40:58

Poor things.

I feel so sorry that their lives are so empty.

It doesn't offend me .

I just feel pity that it is a choice of attention seeking.

LadyBeagleEyes Mon 18-Mar-13 23:41:50

I don't understand why they come on here.
It's just a bunch of women (in the main) chatting.
Do they all roll up to their mum's houses when they're having a chat and a gossip with their mates?
I dunno, I always though lads had other interests rather than trolling sites for parents.

PonderThePoint Tue 19-Mar-13 01:10:33

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LBE Seems we're quite threatening

PopeBenedictsP45 Tue 19-Mar-13 02:01:58

I feel a bit sorry for them too, sat in the dark in the wee hours bashing out obscenities. Empty lives.

ClarissaExplainsItAll Tue 19-Mar-13 02:03:14

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SecretNutellaFix Tue 19-Mar-13 02:03:22


Anyone remember when we used to attract a better class of troll?

PurpleAnnie Tue 19-Mar-13 02:05:56

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PopeBenedictsP45 Tue 19-Mar-13 02:14:04

"Anyone remember when we used to attract a better class of troll?"

You mean trolls that could spell insults correctly and form a sentence without grunting? Yeah, I remember.

BNBN Tue 19-Mar-13 02:14:52

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DaleingtonModelActorEgo Tue 19-Mar-13 02:22:38

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it's the fact they come out in the middle of the night that makes you wonder if they are sneaking on to the computer after their parents have gone to bed

LittleBunnyFeileFooFoo Tue 19-Mar-13 03:07:16

I suspect they're in the States or Australia. Nothing to do and no one to talk to, so they take their mean bitterness out here.

colditz Tue 19-Mar-13 03:52:09

I really do think that they are unsupervised children. I don't think they are foreign, I think they are Tweens or young teens, judging by their literacy levels and choice of vocabulary. Which begs the question - why are they not being supervised? They are vulnerable and at risk of predation.

alwayslateforwork Tue 19-Mar-13 04:02:33

Oh, they are definitely UK based - they just don't seem to realise that mn is a bit more global than their bedroom. Hey ho.

It isn't terribly well informed trolling either. I do quite miss the occasional clever troll. This bunch are just a bit tragic. It's hard to take them seriously. I think they genuinely imagine they are something of a tour de force instead of a minor irritant. Sad to have such a wildly optimistic opinion of yourself!

Dervel Tue 19-Mar-13 04:07:41

I think us men have and do benefit from feminism too.

colditz Tue 19-Mar-13 04:08:01

That's kind of what I mean about them being quite young kids, they've got this view of themselves as dangerous anarchists when actually, they sound like a lot of the year six kids at my son's school, in the way they boast, potty mouth etc. 11 year olds think they are so grown up when they do that! But as parents it's hard not to snigger, it's essentially them shouting "mummy you are a POOPOO HEAD", except they don't even dare say it to their own mothers because actually, they are polite and well behaved little boys in real life and wouldn't dare!

alwayslateforwork Tue 19-Mar-13 04:18:57

Yes, I totally agree with that - it's like they imagine we are all wailing and gnashing our teeth at the sheer awfulness of it all, when in reality, we are just rolling our eyes and wondering if they've had enough to eat today, because mine always get testy when they're hungry...

I don't think they are mature enough to understand how little of an effect they are actually having, whilst at the same time reinforcing the necessity of raising children to understand what equality means (with a good dose of respect for other human beings) - kind of major league backfire.

scaevola Tue 19-Mar-13 06:41:37

Typically, a troll will keep trolling a place for as long as thy get a reaction there.

Threads such as this one, and the several that have appeared elsewhere on MN, are part of that "fix".

I did report to suggest that TATrollT might be deleted: MNHQ declined as it's a valid subject for discussion.

But be under no illusion. This discussion is feeding the troll. And attracting it back to the part of MN where the reaction is greatest.

scaevola Tue 19-Mar-13 06:42:10

That was a wordy way of saying: trolls are best ignored totally.

TrampyPants Tue 19-Mar-13 07:50:05

Scaevola, I think this is a valid discussion. I was talking to dh about it last night, and the fact that we are trolled regularly makes you wonder what these little turds are so scared of.

Still, they'll grow up one day.

scaevola Tue 19-Mar-13 07:56:12

I'm not questioning that it's a valid discussion.

Just pointing out that any reaction, including valid discussions, feeds trolls.

And trolling needn't be subject specific (it's on an increasing number of boards on MN). Any place where there is a satisfying result will keep them there: and as I have spotted at least 4 valid discussion threads, I should imagine they'll be here for a while yet.

TrampyPants Tue 19-Mar-13 08:07:42

Oh, I get that. Thing is this was started before the irritants arrived. I do get your point though. Best to not engage with them on the threads.

I agree with colditz, my ds is 7. He and his friend have just discovered "swears" and think they are hilarious. This latest influx reminds me of them.

scaevola Tue 19-Mar-13 08:14:11

You missed the ones over the weekend then.

TrampyPants Tue 19-Mar-13 08:18:03

Yes, this thread coincided with mra troll, not sad kids in their bedrooms, thinking of ruder words. grin

scaevola Tue 19-Mar-13 10:14:37

I was thinking of Sunday's random crayoner; I must have missed one that was known to be MRA.

leniwhite Tue 19-Mar-13 19:07:11

Do you think it's a dirty secret for them, or do they tell people they're trolls in RL? I find it fascinating and alarming in equal measure. They obviously have time and not a lot going on in RL, a bit like a fetish in some ways. It's almost a shame that we all go off and completely forget about them the minute we look away from the screen to our babies/jobs/lives/hobbies/actual friends/even just a plain old cup of tea.

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 20-Mar-13 18:48:50

Unfortunately it's hard to tell the difference between MRA trolls and sad kids in their bedrooms TrampyPants.
And they want to be fathers shock.

TrampyPants Wed 20-Mar-13 18:56:10

Pretty sad. I told dh about this and his response was "but why?" grin

Answer: they don't have a life.

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