Why are there so many titles for women but only one for men?

(81 Posts)
THERhubarb Tue 26-Feb-13 09:47:32

Why do women need to have their marital status or otherwise conveyed in a title such as Miss, Ms or Mrs whilst men, no matter whether they are with someone or not, will always be Mr?

I've always hated titles and it still feels weird to be addressed as Mrs. I have a name, it's part of my identity and I would much rather my name be used than an old-fashioned title which tells the person whether I am married, single or otherwise.

I find it weird that people can take offence at their first names being used but not be bothered by a title that can tell others exactly what their marital status is. What business is it of theirs? How come men get away with having a non-descript title whilst we have to let the world know our marital status?

Am I the only one who hates having a title and who steadfastly refuses to use it?

WoTmania Tue 26-Feb-13 11:46:27

you aren't the only one. I think ti's mainly habit and tradition. They had those titles to know who women 'belonged' to and whether they were 'available' or not

Ilovexmastime Tue 26-Feb-13 11:47:55

I hate it so much that I did a phd to get rid of it! (Only half joking...)
Trouble is, I now feel like a prat when I insist on being referred to as Dr.
I don't know why we put up with it, haven't the French just got rid of it?
I think it's outrageous that we are expected to give away our martial status when men aren't.

catkind Tue 26-Feb-13 11:51:44

I think people invented Ms in the hope it would replace Miss and Mrs and therefore not tell everyone your marital status. Do people still call young boys Master instead of Mr?

catkind Tue 26-Feb-13 11:55:33

smile Ilovexmastime. I tend to say Dr if someone's being patronising at me, and Ms the rest of the time.

FloatyBeatie Tue 26-Feb-13 11:56:22

How do Quakers manage with automated forms? They don't like titles at all. I know one lovely old Quaker lady who lives in sheltered housing. All the other residents have their names on the doors as "Mr/Mrs... So And So" but her name is without title: she is humorously mock-afraid that the other residents think that the absence of the title indicates that she is an unmarried (great-grand)mother.

Ilovexmastime Tue 26-Feb-13 12:06:09

Oh yes Catkind, I love using it when someone is patronising me grin.

THERhubarb Tue 26-Feb-13 12:08:29

I don't even like Ms though. I never know how to pronounce it correctly. I usually just stop people and tell me to address me by my first name. I am not the property of anyone and hate all this focus on surnames.

I think we should just drop all titles.

And anyway isn't Ms generally used by divorced women? That's how I read it anyway. Further proof that titles just denote women's statuses.

Sunnywithshowers Tue 26-Feb-13 12:08:48

That's interesting about Quakers Floaty. I had no idea.

I tend to use Ms, but do have Miss on some of my official documents which I haven't been arsed to change. I'm married, and don't ever use my husband's name or 'Mrs'. I did all that shizzle with XH.

FloatyBeatie Tue 26-Feb-13 12:10:48

If websites are foolish enough to let me input "countess" or "dame", etc, then that's what I use. It's the most entertaining way of avoiding the Mr/Miss nonsense.

sleepyhead Tue 26-Feb-13 12:16:42

The people I know who use Ms are single/married/cohabiting/separated/divorced whatever. They use it as a direct equivilent of Mr.

Miss and Mrs are both versions of Mistress. I guess Ms is as well really, just as Mr is a version of Master.

Certainly there have been times in the past where the use of Mrs didn't necessarily denote a married woman, but it was used as a title of respect, a bit like Mme/Mlle in France, where in general you wouldn't call a grown woman Mlle, whatever her marital status.

The easiest thing would be just to have Mr/Ms, but unfortunately you're not alone in not liking it. I don't know what's wrong with the pronunciation "Mizz", but people get all in knots about it.

I guess we could all use Comrade.

Floaty I love it!

catkind DS's name comes up as Master MoG at the doctors, always makes me picture him looking like this

Sunnywithshowers Tue 26-Feb-13 12:20:07

Floaty I am inspired. I am going to do that.

Noren Tue 26-Feb-13 12:28:36

It also annoys me that titles indicate gender. I am one of those who used Ms as a single woman and as a married women, and I know many more who do the same. I'd be happy to get rid of titles altogether!

FloatyBeatie Tue 26-Feb-13 13:29:27

I've just bought a tankini from Boden online and I ticked "Field Marshal Lord" in the title field. It is actually rather annoying that they only have "Field Marshal Lord" and not "Field Marshal Lady". I know that woman field marshals are thin on the ground, but on the other hand so are men field marshals that wear Boden tankinis.

Actually, come to think of it, for swimwear I should probably have put "Admiral", which is an option (and which is gender neutral). Next time.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Tue 26-Feb-13 13:38:49

I pronounce it "Mzzz" like "bzz"

And it wasn't until I joined MN that I heard Ms used to be used for divorcees - I've used it since I was 18, single or married.

THERhubarb Tue 26-Feb-13 14:51:25

Aha Floaty - another dissenter! If given the option I don't bother using a title at all but if I have to choose from a drop down list then my choices are as creative as yours. In fact, friends and I used to make titles up for each other so I would send a pal a letter addressed to "The Second in Chief Command Direct Wugglebotter the Third formerly known as Squonk."

Addressing each other as "Comrade" makes me think of some kind of Orson Welles society. What's so wrong with using your first name? It's who you are isn't it?

StephaniePowers Tue 26-Feb-13 14:53:15

I think everyone should have Citizen as an honorific, and be done.

slug Tue 26-Feb-13 15:23:31

When I am premenstrual feeling particularly antsy I have been known to ask in a very loud voice when being asked which title I use why it is necessary for the company to know my sexual availability. I can do a very good Lady Bracknell voice and when asked "Miss or Mrs" declare "Neither". wink

And anyway isn't Ms generally used by divorced women? That's how I read it anyway. Further proof that titles just denote women's statuses.

No it just means "fuck off my marital status is really none of your business and not relevant anyway" it's nothing to do with being divorced but seems to be taken that way by a lot of people in the UK. Haven't come across anyone seeing that way in the US. It's definitely a feminist title.

from wiki

"Ms." (or at least the pronunciation associated with this spelling) began to be used as early as the 17th century, along with "Miss" and "Mrs.", as a title derived from the then formal "Mistress", which, like Mister, did not originally indicate marital status.[6][7] "Ms." in whatever form, however, fell into disuse in favor of the other two titles and was not revived until the 20th century.[8][9]

The earliest known proposal for the modern revival of "Ms." as a title appeared in The Republican of Springfield, Massachusetts on November 10, 1901:

There is a void in the English language which, with some diffidence, we undertake to fill. Every one has been put in an embarrassing position by ignorance of the status of some woman. To call a maiden Mrs is only a shade worse than to insult a matron with the inferior title Miss. Yet it is not always easy to know the facts... Now, clearly, what is needed is a more comprehensive term which does homage to the sex without expressing any views as to their domestic situation, and what could be simpler or more logical than the retention of what the two doubtful terms have in common. The abbreviation "Ms" is simple, it is easy to write, and the person concerned can translate it properly according to circumstances. For oral use it might be rendered as "Mizz," which would be a close parallel to the practice long universal in many bucolic regions, where a slurred Mis' does duty for Miss and Mrs alike.[4]

The term was again suggested as a convenience to writers of business letters by such publications as the Bulletin of the American Business Writing Association (1951) and The Simplified Letter, issued by the National Office Management Association (1952).[citation needed]

In 1961, Sheila Michaels attempted to put the term into use when she saw what she thought was a typographical error on the address label of a copy of News & Letters sent to her roommate.[10][11] Michaels "was looking for a title for a woman who did not 'belong' to a man."[12] She knew the separation of the now common terms Miss and Mrs. had derived from "Mistress", but one could not suggest that women use the original title with its now louche connotations. Her efforts to promote use of a new honorific were at first ignored.[13] Around 1971, in a lull during a WBAI-radio interview with The Feminists group, Michaels suggested the use of Ms. A friend of Gloria Steinem heard the interview and suggested it as a title for her new magazine. Ms. magazine's popularity finally allowed the term to enjoy widespread usage.[14] In February 1972, the US Government Printing Office approved using "Ms." in official government documents.[15]

Velve Tue 26-Feb-13 16:52:59

I come from Finland where we don't have titles. Somehow I never really realised I'd have to use one coming here, until I actually settled and tried to get a bank account, apply for anything etc.
It annoyed me a lot but I've accepted it and have always called myself Ms. I don't see the point of titles at all.

sashh Wed 27-Feb-13 05:23:46

Titles for everyone are quite new, Mr, Mrs and Ms all implied a certain status, all be it below the fancier ones.

I think the oddest one I've seen was a female surgeon. You probably all know that in the UK when a Dr becomes a surgeon they drop the Dr title.

Obviously this was originally dropped to Mr and then more recently Miss.

But now you get female surgeons who are married women and don't want to use 'Miss', so I have seen 'Dr Mrs X' listed as a title and name.

THERhubarb Wed 27-Feb-13 11:05:37

I think I might get darned awkward and simply refuse to use a title. I don't like the sound of Ms, I think it's pointless. You can't tell what my marital status is by simply using my first name so that's what I'm going to insist on. Stuff formality. I'm taking a STAND people!

Why does a surgeon lose their title!? If I went to university for that long, you can damn well be sure everyone would be calling me doctor!

I actually like having "Ms Surname". I don't like being called by first name by people I don't know too well.. I find it weird and overly familiar. Might be because I am American and a bit southern but I find it uncomfortable to call much older strangers by their first name. Also my first name which used to be quite unusual is now a very popular child's name.

sleepyhead Wed 27-Feb-13 13:56:13

Google barber surgeons.

Basically, doctors didn't recognise surgery as "real" medicine so wouldn't let them be called doctors. Once that all changed the surgeons decided that they didn't want to be bloody doctors anyway so stuck with Mister (or Miss, or Mrs, or Ms....).

So, a medical Consultant is Doctor D'eath, but a surgical Consultant is Mr Butcher. Dentists are Mr/Ms as well, because they're dental surgeons.

Basically, doctors didn't recognise surgery as "real" medicine so wouldn't let them be called doctors. Once that all changed the surgeons decided that they didn't want to be bloody doctors anyway so stuck with Mister (or Miss, or Mrs, or Ms

Oh in that case, I quite like it.

sleepyhead Wed 27-Feb-13 14:17:28

Yes, some consultant surgeons get quite shirty if you call them "doctor" because in surgery it denotes a junior member of staff.

Then, if you're in a teaching hospital a couple will become Prof, and every once in a while someone who's been around for donkeys gets knighted and becomes Sir. Bloody minefield.

sleepyhead Wed 27-Feb-13 14:18:45

So, yeah actually Rhubarb. Lets just call them all Robert and Marjorie grin

<watches senior cardiothoracic surgeon spontaneously combust at the impertinence>

MOH100 Wed 27-Feb-13 14:26:02

I've always used Ms and still do now that I'm married since I don't use my husband's name - or I use Dr since getting my PhD. I also enjoy using the highest up title that the drop down list on the online shop allows, well almost, I did stop at using Princess when i signed up for NEXT.

In France they've dropped Madamoiselle, all adult women are just Madame, and in Germany likewise, they don't use Fraulein, all adult women are just Frau. Why the hell we can't all just use Mrs whether we're married or not I don't know. I don't like Ms, it sounds stupid and gets misheard as Miss, but I refuse to use Mrs while it still implies marital status. If everyone else decided to change and just use it at the age of 18, married or not, then I would too.

Or just do like the Scandinavians and don't bother with titles at all. Apparently even the king of Sweden is referred to by his first name. Could we uptight Brits cope with that?

SconeRhymesWithGone Wed 27-Feb-13 14:37:56

I am so glad that in the US, for most purposes, the default is "Ms." And I have no trouble pronouncing it as I am a Southerner, and most of us have been pronouncing Mrs. that way since time immemorial.

I do find the Quaker practice very appealing. The salutation on a formal letter would be "Dear Jane Smith:" I lived in Pennsylvania for a while and received several letters with that form.

If you are a southerner, surely you know scone rhymes with bone?! shock

Or do are you a UK southerner livin in the states and I misread that totally?

SconeRhymesWithGone Wed 27-Feb-13 18:40:25

HairyHandedTrucker

I am indeed a native Southerner still living in the South, but I have lived in Scotland in the past. My nickname comes from my (largely unsuccessful) efforts to promote the correct pronunciation among my friends and family in the States.smile

SconeRhymesWithGone Wed 27-Feb-13 18:43:55

HairyHandedTrucker

I should have clarified above the US South.

Kiriwawa Wed 27-Feb-13 18:53:51

I really have to bite my tongue when I'm filling in a form in a shop or over the phone and they ask 'is that Miss or Mrs'. I desperately want to bark at them 'what does it matter FGS??? It's an anachronism that should have died out with black and white telly '

But I don't. I do the Lady Bracknell 'neither' instead

exoticfruits Wed 27-Feb-13 19:18:18

It is very tricky though because elderly people do not want to be called by their first name and they don't (on the whole) want Ms. Therefore you have to have a choice to suit all.
I avoid any title if at all possible-but will always correct if Ms because I hate it. I can't see that it matters-call people what they wish to be called.

Frettchen Wed 27-Feb-13 20:42:42

It's a minefield!

I'm unmarried, and am quite happy to be addressed as Miss Frettchen, have never had any issues with that. My best female friend, however, is married and, I believe, would prefer to be called Ms Husband'sSurname, although she occasionally says she wishes she had kept her maiden name. I have no issues with calling her Ms rather than Mrs, nor do I have any right to. A person's name is their name and their own business to be comfortable with.

To be perfectly honest, if abovementioned female best friend announced she and her husband were both changing their name to be Mx Combined-Surnames-Into-One-New-Surname then, aside from not knowing how to pronouce 'Mx', I'd refer to them as instructed.

Anyway, it's only ever sales people who call me by title; regular folk can use my forename and be done with formality!

I always feel like cheering when someone calls me Ms unprompted, it is rare and people nearly always assume and say Mrs. I try and avoid titles as much as possible though.

WhatKatyDidnt Wed 27-Feb-13 21:02:23

I'm married and use Ms, just as I did when I was unmarried.

For those of you who have daughters - do you put them down as Ms on forms? I have been using Miss for mine... I'm not sure why.

Bue Wed 27-Feb-13 21:27:55

Yes, some consultant surgeons get quite shirty if you call them "doctor" because in surgery it denotes a junior member of staff.

A few years ago I called a Harley Street consultant for an appointment.
Me: Hello, is that Dr Bloggs' office?
Receptionist: This is PROFESSOR Bloggs' office!

OK then. Sorry to have offended the good doctor. hmm

Actually on our labour and delivery unit we call all the consultants by their first names. It's only the very most senior (and the most pompous!) who insist on titles.

WhatKatyDidnt, for your daughters - who I presume are children? - I would use Miss. This is because I still see Master for boys and I think it's the equivalent (and why it is not really appropriate for women).

DD is too young to have had to fill out a title for her but I would use Ms. I can't help but find miss outdated and a bit silly. I have used Ms since I was a teenager at least

TiggyD Wed 27-Feb-13 22:07:24

Mx is gender neutral. Use that.

PhyllisDoris Wed 27-Feb-13 22:09:22

I love being Mrs xx. Makes me feel that DH and I are truly united (ie "as one"). I couldn't wait to change my name when we got married.

Kiriwawa Wed 27-Feb-13 22:25:53

But why do you hate Ms exoticfruits? Why is it any more awful than mr/miss/mrs?

And that's lovely Phyllis. Have an equally lovely 1950s pat on the head

is your dh any less "united " for still being Mr?

or did he go by master until you got married?

EvilTwins Wed 27-Feb-13 22:47:52

At least no one goes by "Goodwife X" any more... I teach so obviously all the kids just call me "Miss" (not Miss EvilTwins, just Miss) so I find it odd when they have to email me work or whatever and start the correspondence "Hi Mrs" (not Mrs EvilTwins, just Mrs). One title for all would be so much easier...

I feel truly united with DH even though he kept his own name when we got married.

exoticfruits Thu 28-Feb-13 07:09:10

I can never pronounce it properly, children can't either which is probably why the majority of teachers, TAs never use it- it would drive you demented. They tend to call everyone Miss anyway! I have had 3 children through school and been a supply teacher in many, many schools and I could certainly count the number of teachers called Ms on both hands. It only seems to on MN that people are attached to Ms. I can't see why marital status matters - is Mrs supposed to be superior? confused

StephaniePowers Thu 28-Feb-13 07:11:27

I think if you can say 'fizz' then you're close enough to being able to pronounce 'Ms'. Of course if you have a speech impediment which prevents this, then I apologise.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Thu 28-Feb-13 07:25:34

Exotic, the point is that men have the same title regardless of marital status whereas Miss/Mrs is all about marital status. If Mrs was the title for adult female (as with Madame or Frau, I think), there would be no issue with it.

I know plenty of women who use Ms, though I agree none of them are teachers.

exoticfruits Thu 28-Feb-13 07:35:00

I can't understand why the marital status matters- it is as if there is shame at 'being left on the shelf'! If I was 40, 60, 80 etc I would be quite happy with Miss - it at least has a vowel. In a way it sounds more distinguished.

exoticfruits Thu 28-Feb-13 07:40:29

I hardly ever use it anyway, now that I am not in the classroom.
It is just polite to use whatever people choose themselves which is why they should have the choice. My mother is very elderly, she wouldn't want strangers calling her by her first name uninvited and it would be very rude to default to Ms when she has always been Mrs - not to say upsetting for her.
It is trivial- just choose for yourself and live and let live. Women always make their choice and want to choose for everyone in that their choice is the 'right' choice instead of merely the 'right choice for them'.

wonkylegs Thu 28-Feb-13 08:07:47

My DH is a Dr but my mum was incredibly confused when he became a consultant as she thought he was going to revert to Mr - we had a very long conversation about how although he does invasive procedures (pacemakers etc) that it's not technically surgery so he's still a dr (I ended up confused at the end of the conversation with my elderly mum)
I nearly always get professional post sent to Mr Wonkylegs as they always assume that I'm a bloke as I'm an architect despite having a distinctly feminine first name.
We refer to DS as Master

exoticfruits Thu 28-Feb-13 08:11:57

I never put master or miss for children- I just put both their names on the envelope.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Thu 28-Feb-13 08:33:31

Exotic, If you met another woman in a professional setting, say a would-be governor, and you later had to write her a formal letter about the meeting, how would you address her (Dear What?) if you hadn't been told her preferred title?

I would use Ms then and I would always use Ms unless I had some further piece of information (eg she introduced herself as Mrs X or it came up in conversation that she had a PhD etc).

I would always use Ms in a formal address to a woman unless I had been informed otherwise.

As regards Ms only being a MN thing, all my female colleagues bar one (who is in her 60s) use Ms or Dr, as do a fair few of my other female friends. I think it will gradually become the default.

THERhubarb Thu 28-Feb-13 10:58:20

Why on earth would you give a title to a child?

That's just indoctrination. I refuse to give mine titles and would get quite annoyed if someone insisted I did. They are children, use their names fgs!

I can't remember the last time I addressed someone as Mrs or Mr. I tend to find out what their names are and use those. If they get all shirty about it that's their problem.

I may even encourage the kids to use their teachers' first names in class - that should go down well! grin

I've used Ms since I turned 18. I'm reasonably sure I've never been divorced, unless it happened during a particularly wild night out at college...

When necessary (I think it's only been at the doctors' office) I've used Miss for the DDs and Master for DS. I assume he'll switch from Master to Mr automatically when he grows up -- there won't be any such automatic switch for the DDs who will have to decide what title they want (I may put in a word for "Field Marshal".

exoticfruits Thu 28-Feb-13 11:18:52

I would ask someone Doctrine - for all I know they may find Ms irritating.

exoticfruits Thu 28-Feb-13 11:20:21

Addressing a DC as Miss is unnecessary.

exoticfruits Thu 28-Feb-13 11:20:40

Not to mention silly.

Exotic - I find it irritating being asked and it happens a lot, it would be far easier if we were all just Ms. I know asking is the polite way, but when the entire multiple titles for women scenario is, IMO, outdated and sexist, it just reinforces it.

OneLittleToddleTerror Thu 28-Feb-13 13:13:03

I hate titles in general, but used to use Ms before I got a PhD. (There seem to be many of us in the thread). I find it insulting that my title is based on my marital status. It'd be ok to me if men has a title just based on their marital status. But it's not. It puts women back to an age where our goal in life is to get married.

It bugs me even more when people automatically writes or calls me Mrs MySurname. Is it because I'm in my late thirties, I have to be married? I always correct them to put Dr. I am also happy to go titleless.

OneLittleToddleTerror Thu 28-Feb-13 13:14:35

And they do put Miss in front of DD's name. She's not even two. The latest one is when we book a holiday. I have a drop down choice of Master and Miss.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Thu 28-Feb-13 13:17:22

We were sorting out will out on the phone to the solicitor's yesterday. She asked: 'so you're not married: have you ever been married, either to each other or to someone else?'

'No, never'.

'Ok - so, Mrs Nit, what was your maiden name?' confused

She later warned us that if we did get married at any later date, we must revise the will as 'Mrs Nit' would be deemed dead and replaced by Mrs DPNAME. I said, but I would keep the same name, so would that still need revising?

She said 'yes, because you would be MRS yourname not Miss, wouldn't you?'

I said I would remain Dr Myname as I am now, so neither title nor surname would change. She said that she had never heard of such a situation, and would try to find out.

I think our solicitor might be really dim.

I've just opened a new bank account for each DC, their cards have arrived with Master and Miss on, without me asking for it.

However I remember being pleased that when I opened my first Lloyds bank account nearly 30 years ago they were quite happy to put my name only on my cheque books, no title, it has stayed that way ever since.

If you got married at any later date you'd need to revise the will because it would be automatically voided by the marriage (unless you made the will specifically "in anticipation of marriage"). It's got bugger-all to do with names (I think you may be right about your solicitor...).

When we did our wills, the solicitor had no problem with me being a married Ms Ownname. I asked what would happen if you were named in a will as the wrong name (a lot of my family still seem to think I am really called Mrs DHsurname including my brother who has named me as executor) she said it would not be a problem, I would just need to show ID docs including marriage certificate.

Come to think of it, our will writer did initially mess it up, but the other way around - they assumed (presumably because of the name issue) that we weren't married and drew up the wills referring to "partner" rather than husband/wife/spouse so had to redraft them.

OneLittleToddleTerror Thu 28-Feb-13 13:46:43

nit your solicitor sounds really dim. How can you be MRS yourname? Does she even know what it means. But whoknows is right that if you later gets married, it will void your will, and it has nothing to do with your name. Any marriage automatically voids it.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Thu 28-Feb-13 14:03:20

Nit, my solicitor was similarly dim. I put it down to him being a stuck-in-the-mud fogey type.

The will would need revising if not made in anticipation of marriage, but not because 'Mrs Nit' or whoever was "deemed dead", I don't think.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Thu 28-Feb-13 14:04:49

Exotic, are you saying that you wouldn't let the meeting (in my example) finish without checking what title she used?

HazleNutt Thu 28-Feb-13 14:24:23

OneLittle why can't you be Mrs Ownname? There are no legal restrictions for using Mrs even if not married, or married and keeping your name, if you so wish.

exoticfruits Thu 28-Feb-13 20:43:07

I don't see why the title matters- if it is a meeting why wouldn't you just say Mary Smith? It makes it appear on here as if everyone is Ms- maybe you are in cities - in my rural backwater it is not used except in the rare case.

OneLittleToddleTerror Thu 28-Feb-13 21:01:15

NazleNutt, because Mrs Ownname means I'm married to a Mr Ownname. I don't mind being called Mrs DHname, and I do use it on DD's nursery forms. (Just so they don't end up calling DD with my surname. They did it on DD's red book. I crossed out my surname and changed it to DH's name myself).

OneLittleToddleTerror Thu 28-Feb-13 21:03:02

I kept my surname because I like it. I don't see why I need to change who I'm called because I'm married.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 01-Mar-13 00:48:51

Exotic, the title doesn't really matter - I guess I'm trying to find out what your default is if you need a title for a woman but don't know it for some reason. If "Dear Mary Smith" would be your default, fair enough.

PrincessFiorimonde Fri 01-Mar-13 01:18:23

When I send a birthday/Christmas card, I just address the envelope without any title, e.g. Jane Smith, John Smith. Most people do this to me too (even elderly aunts).

But if anyone official insists I should have a title, I go for Ms. And have done so for the last 35 years, during which time I've been single, married, single again, living with a partner.

On the phone, people are sometimes surprised when I opt for Ms rather than the automatically proffered Miss or Mrs. Funnily enough, I think they are more surprised about 'Ms' these days than they were 20-30 years ago.

I've never assumed that Ms means a person's divorced, by the way. And I've certainly never seen it as an MN thing.

HazleNutt Fri 01-Mar-13 06:48:05

Theoretically yes OneLittle. There's nothing stopping me calling myself Mrs Myname if I so wish though.

exoticfruits Fri 01-Mar-13 08:32:15

It is my default- if they don't specify a title why give them one? If they specify then use it.

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