I may have a nasty suspicious mind, but it seems to me that every thread....

(279 Posts)
seeker Thu 24-Jan-13 13:30:13

......that talks about misogyny gets derailed in exactly the same way. Coincidence?

SanityClause Thu 24-Jan-13 13:33:01

So, are we placing bets on when this one goes that way? By post 57, is my guess.

AbigailAdams Thu 24-Jan-13 13:35:19

Seeker what are you talking about? Misogyny doesn't exist! It's all in the little wimmin's heads. It is all down to their looks, or intelligence, or that their opinion is wrong. Nothing whatsoever to do with the fact they are a woman. Absolutely not. Never. It is a pure coincidence that many many women can cite when they have had their looks, sexuality, genitalia remarked upon, discussed derogatorily, threatened with sexual violence. And those women <whispers> aren't even famous. They are just be walking down the street. So it can't be the same.

Oh and women do it too.

I can't believe you started a thread about misogyny without acknowledging misandry. hmm

Anniegetyourgun Thu 24-Jan-13 14:55:06

Well they shouldn't be walking down the street looking ugly, should they.


As I always suspected: women are their own worst enemies. Men wouldn't judge other men for looking ugly.

kim147 Thu 24-Jan-13 15:00:59

"women are their own worst enemies."

That is something that I think is worthy of debate. On the whole, men are a lot less judgy of other men. They would not write so many articles criticising or commenting on other men for their appearance or clothes. (Yes DM - looking at you)

And I would love to see an AIBU that was just men only. What sort of things would be on there?

youlooklikeaclown Thu 24-Jan-13 15:02:06

True can be a term to refer to male or female

OneMoreChap Thu 24-Jan-13 15:04:04

isn't the problem that misogynistic comments made by other women are going to be inevitable under the patriarchy? grin

It's true - we should definitely talk about women being their own enemies more. In fact, the OP should have put that in the title really. Instead of diverting attention to her own 'mind' and herself, with that typical feminine self-centredness that always forgets to discuss the things that are really important ...

(Hey, this is quite fun, isn't it?)

kim147 Thu 24-Jan-13 15:11:36

Not sure if you're being serious or not?

It was the National TV awards last night - lots of comments about the appearance and clothes the female celebrities were wearing. And no doubt "fashion disasters". Who's making the comments and who's making the judgements?

Who writes some of the articles in "papers" such as the DM commenting and judging women based on their appearance?

Why? - now that is a whole debate.

FreyaSnow Thu 24-Jan-13 15:12:09

I'm women's worst enemy. I have a secret lair under a volcano where a teen of female minions produce Daily Mail articles about working mums and cankles.

FreyaSnow Thu 24-Jan-13 15:12:47

Team, even!

grin Resoundingly, NO! I think the whole thread is a pisstake. You weren't serious?

freya - ooh, sounds cosy. Can I join you? I breathe fire, you know. In a shrill and hysterical fashion, natch.

FreyaSnow Thu 24-Jan-13 15:19:29

The competition is pretty fierce LRD. Especially since people managed to blame the London riots on women. Could you blame the mackerel fishing problem on women maybe? Or space exploration? Or gun crime? Actually that last one has already been done.

Mmm. Well, Lalika the dog who went into space was a girl dog.

<narrows eyes at them Russians and their female dogs>

marzipananimal Thu 24-Jan-13 15:23:57

Very annoying isn't it. There should be a 'blow this poster to smithereens for derailing/wilfully misunderstanding/being an idiot' button. I would use it <unfemininely violent>

Could we have one of those comedy James Bond style things that makes the offending poster shoot out of their chair, please?

seeker Thu 24-Jan-13 15:48:34

Well, I think there is a formum somewhere where an alarm goes off when anyone uses the work misogyny, and one of a crack team of thread derailers is dispatched to make sure the discussion never gets beyond the superficial, and ends up being entirely about the experience of said derailer. With everyone else trying to raise his or her consciousness, forgetting that some people don't have a consciousness to be raised.

GetOrf Thu 24-Jan-13 15:52:08

I totally agree.

I am a determined lurker on FWR threads, and if the thread has (say) 100 or so posts when I start to read it it is so bloody depressing that about halfway through some fucker comes on to deliberately derail.

And it is deliberate. And I don't want to debate with people like that. I want them to fuck off. I know that MNHQ have stated that FWR is not pro-feminism and a safe place, and fair enough, but you can predict from a thread title if it is going to attract vitriol, and it is bloody depressing.

You'd have to have a forum where everyone could consistently spell misogyny, though, seeker. I have to watch my fingers every time I type it, and it's not just me.

seeker Thu 24-Jan-13 15:58:24

My IPad is what my ds referred to at the age of about 4 as a "sexist poo- bottom"(that's my boy!) and mis spells misogyny for me!


SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Thu 24-Jan-13 16:17:54

I think you're all terrible to laugh at the poor, little menz. Imagine knowing you are the epicentre of the universe and being mocked for it. Terrible <<shakes heads sadly??

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Thu 24-Jan-13 16:19:06

Those question marks are not supposed to be there blush That'll teach me to be sarcastic.

TheCrackFox Thu 24-Jan-13 16:33:58

What you fail to understand is that, although women have been oppressed for several millennia men have had it far, far worse.

rosabud Thu 24-Jan-13 16:43:10

And anyway,shouldn't feminism be about women's choice so if they choose to be oppressed then you are being horrible not to let them and if they have chosen it and they are happy then it is all OK. What on earth are you all getting your knickers in such a twist about? And what do you mean, twisty knickers is an offensive mysogynist term - it's only a turn of phrase, for goodness sake, how rather over the top you all are!

rosabud Thu 24-Jan-13 16:44:23

Or. I might even add, how terribly hysterical you all are!

Yes it is quite good fun.

Or how about this old favourite?

I agree with feminism, I'm a feminist myself. I just think these days it's gone too far.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Thu 24-Jan-13 16:50:32

Well it is has gone too far! Do you know men only earn 30% more than women - how can that be fair? And look at all those men on the boards of the top companies, they take all that responsibility so we women can focus on more important feminine things like: kittens and rainbows and Laura Ashley frocks.

KayHarker Thu 24-Jan-13 16:56:31

I do like a Laura Ashley frock.

rosabud Thu 24-Jan-13 16:58:00

But I wear Laura Ashley frocks!! Are you saying that I can't be a feminist now?? That's outrageous! It's my choice to wear Laura Ashely frocks. Do you know that in countries with the lowest rate of sexual assualt, like Greenland where there are no actual people, they have the highest amount of Laura Ashley frock wearers per capita? What does that tell you?? And, even if there were men in Greenland too, which there aren't really because there are hardly any people, but if there WERE - they could wear Laura Ashley frocks too, you know, and all theh women who sexually assault them (because lots of women DO sexually assault men, you know, even in Greenland where there aren't actually any people) would be allowed to to be safe too. And be called feminists if they wanted. it's their choice too.

I'm really enjoying this now.

TheCrackFox Thu 24-Jan-13 17:04:33

The problem is you are all just humourless. Can't you take a joke?

BIWI Thu 24-Jan-13 17:07:15


I'm sensing that this is quite cathartic ...

The problem with all these feminists is they go round oppressing other entities. Like flowers.

I've just been sexist towards pansies on another thread. sad

That's just how deeply ingrained my oppressing tendencies are.

OneMoreChap Thu 24-Jan-13 17:09:24

w-e-e-l-l, she shaves, doesn't she/is married/wears makeup/is straight.

She can't be a twoo feminist.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Thu 24-Jan-13 17:10:13

The number of Laura Ashley dresses owned in any given population is directly proportionate to the number of lap dancing clubs. FACT.

In Iceland there aren't any lap dancing clubs allowed - and women are so desperate to get their tits oot for the lads, they do it on the street for free. Even though they get arrested. True Fact.

It's actually called Iceland because the women are so frigid, you know. That's what happens when you let feminists run the country. They're responsible for global warming, too. It's all that repressed lust, like what Her in 50 Shades writes about.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Thu 24-Jan-13 17:12:50

And won't someone think of the poor pimps and madams? They're only trying to earn a dishonest an honest crust is all. And it's the women's choice to do it.

youlooklikeaclown Thu 24-Jan-13 17:13:44

You mentioned pansies LRD - was this to shift the focus of the thread from misogyny to flowers? Tra-la-la check out my drindl!!

seeker Thu 24-Jan-13 17:16:02

I like wearing dirndls.

Well, I think it's much nicer when ladies talk about flowers. It's a scientific FACT that our brains are hardwired that way.

youlooklikeaclown Thu 24-Jan-13 17:17:12

LRD I re-read your post, blame it on my drindl, it distracted me by being too flowery!

seeker Thu 24-Jan-13 17:18:09

I just think all you frothers are boring. And I have a PhD in women's history. Or herstory, as I suppose you want me to call it.

I bet you didn't enjoy getting it though, did you, seeker? You were disgusted by it every moment you studied, and you learned that your professors were equally aware that it's all a load of bull.

I myself have no need to study such things, or really read anything about women, because it is well known that they've never contributed anything much to the world. If you spent less time focussing on women, you could make a real contribution to something important, you know.

youlooklikeaclown Thu 24-Jan-13 17:22:38

But... sob... I had a recipe to share and wanted to show off my new curtains...<runs upstairs to sob on bed>

drwitch Thu 24-Jan-13 17:23:41

of course science has proved that women like laura ashley because it reminds us of being taken in grassy meadows in cheap porno film ancient days

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Thu 24-Jan-13 17:24:33

It is true that women have never contributed anything. I know what you're all going to say: what about all those women who did? Well, I hate to break it to you, but those women were actually fictional characters invented by Dickens to stop the women whining. True fact!

grin I love that image drwitch.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Thu 24-Jan-13 17:25:41

"of course science has proved that women like laura ashley because it reminds us of being taken in grassy meadows in cheap porno film ancient days "

Cadbury's Flakes serve a similar purpose.

AnyFucker Thu 24-Jan-13 17:27:37

We have the vote and my husband is nice to me

What more do you whiners want ?

TheCrackFox Thu 24-Jan-13 17:27:42

My dissertation was about the Suffragettes and I can confirm that now women have the vote their is no need for feminism.

I think some women are just very damaged and it has made them bitter about men, AF. sad

Btw, I've just read a primary school textbook about history and it doesn't mention women, so that proves they didn't exist in the past. They've just been made up in Modern Times to plague men and raise the price of houses.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Thu 24-Jan-13 17:37:08

Also, let's not forget that while we're sauntering around looking all alluring in our Laura Ashley frocks and our feminazi boots, we're distracting the men from important men stuff by making them all aroused. And as everyone knows, it's just not possible for the poor dears to control themselves. So the next time a man tells you to get your tits out for the lads - it's really not his fault, it's you and your frock, and your feminazi boots.

AnyFucker Thu 24-Jan-13 17:52:13

I have sons and feminism is damaging them

runningforthebusinheels Thu 24-Jan-13 17:53:59

And will nobody think of David Beckham's white socks? All this fuss over Mary Beard, but there is a male being abused too shock

ICBINEG Thu 24-Jan-13 17:59:02

can I come sob a bit too?

ICBINEG Thu 24-Jan-13 17:59:25

ohh I was post 57 but I don't think it was a derailer...

FastidiaBlueberry Thu 24-Jan-13 18:01:09

Look it's just not an issue. It has nothing to do with feminism. Just because it might affect women disproportionately and be a political, social or relationship issue, that doesn't mean it needs to be analysed from a feminist perspective - in fact, it can't be. Stop doing it, you should be concentrating on FGM or something else I've decided is more important.

It only affects SAHMs who should be rounded up and shot, anyway. I've never had kids so I am excellently placed to explain that you really should all be getting jobs and leaving your children in the care of the local skivvy (who doesn't really count as a woman on account of being Not Quite Our Class).

TheCrackFox Thu 24-Jan-13 18:06:23

You are all over thinking this.

Absy Thu 24-Jan-13 18:08:30

Look, my great aunt Frida twice removed once said that David Cameron's face is a bit like a penis, so,you know, you wimmin are just all making it up and men have it just as bad

runningforthebusinheels Thu 24-Jan-13 18:09:37

<adopts nickname with a nod to the sex industry like 'punterdad' or 'dancerlancer'>

"Evening Ladies. I hope you don't mind me posting here, when I have genitalia of the male variety <snurk> and I just want to explain to you all why misogony mysoginy misogyny doesn't exist..."

<the rest of MN >

"Oooh goody....!"

garlicblocks Thu 24-Jan-13 18:09:58

Well, I was raped. This trumps all your pansies, dirndls and pretty frocks! It means I know more about sexist oppression than anybody else in the whole wide world. And it wasn't the menz faultz really, it was society's for telling me to go out in a miniskirt and a see-through top.

If society respected women's modesty, the menz wouldn't have to go round letting their penises rape people. Fact.

TheCrackFox Thu 24-Jan-13 18:13:18

It was probably the fault of the rapists mum/wife's fault.

JustAHolyFool Thu 24-Jan-13 18:14:36

God you're all so humourless. Lighten up, this is SO SOSOSOSO boring, yawntastic.

garlicblocks Thu 24-Jan-13 18:14:55

Yeah, you're right! She must have emasculated him. shock sad angry

runningforthebusinheels Thu 24-Jan-13 18:15:39

Well all these women thinking they're allowed out of the house on their own, at night, and <gasp> drinking alcohol? What are they thinking? Taking risks like that?

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

I don't understand what's wrong with a bit of porn. I enjoy it and have a fantastic sex life with my hubby. You're all prudes.

runningforthebusinheels Thu 24-Jan-13 18:19:17

Oh, and remember to never wear heels on a night out - you'll only have yourself to blame if you can't run away from a rapist. All girls going clubbing should wear trainers.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

It's a form of dance, you know. I do it with classic FM on in the background so it is improving, too.

Besides, my husband says it's classy and he knows better than a bunch of silly women.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Thu 24-Jan-13 18:22:10

Any woman objecting to porn is fat and ugly, hates sex and is just jealous of the pornstars. This has been proven by modern science. HONEST.

And there's no abuse in porn - EVER. how do I know? Well you can tell, can't you - just by watching it.

runningforthebusinheels Thu 24-Jan-13 18:28:21

What, having sex with your wife while she's asleep is rape now is it? Are you calling my dh a rapist? What, do I have to sign a consent form for sex now, lol.

drwitch Thu 24-Jan-13 18:33:46

before i had children i used to think there was no difference between girls and boys but look at my clever ds trying to work out how the hoover works and my pretty dd using earth from the garden as a face pack. you can be as pc as you like girls but nature will out.


I'm really bad at mathsy stuff and my DH can't change a nappy, bless him, so it proves we are hardwired to be good at different things.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Thu 24-Jan-13 18:44:11

Having a penis does obstruct a man's vision, completely incapacitating him in his ability to see any mess, crumbs, dust etc.

Women are not similarly encumbered.

BelaLugosisShed Thu 24-Jan-13 18:48:45

My husband has to pretend that he doesn't use porn and pretend that he likes to bake cakes because I am oppressing his masculinity with my horrible feminist agenda .
Of course when he's at work, he's obviously commenting on the size of the page 3 girl's nipples and arranging trips to the local strip club, 'cos he's a real red blooded man you see and they can't help it.

TheCrackFox Thu 24-Jan-13 18:49:59

You are all just jealous.

JustAHolyFool Thu 24-Jan-13 18:51:00

When are you all going to stop telling women what they can do with their bodies?

I like shaving my pubes, even though I get an itchy rash.

Chubfuddler Thu 24-Jan-13 18:55:14

Shouldn't you all be cooking your husbands dinner?

BelaLugosisShed Thu 24-Jan-13 18:55:20

But the bald, plucked chicken look is sooooo sexy, a few unsightly ingrowing hairs with associated yellow pus filled spots is worth it 'cuz it's what men really like. wink

DoubleYew Thu 24-Jan-13 18:57:02

You are all such selfish middle classers worrying about your own lives. Do you know there are poor people, some of whom are women, who live in other countries? I bet you've never even thought of that. I can tell that not one of you cares about them. You should stop discussing anything else and focus all your time and energy on sorting out the third world.

BelaLugosisShed Thu 24-Jan-13 18:57:27

My DH has let me sit down with the laptop because he's in the kitchen doing important man stuff, you know, proper cooking that women can't get their pretty little heads around.
If I'm lucky, he'll let me make him a cup of tea when he's finished.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Thu 24-Jan-13 18:57:44

I've been thinking about this thread and have to ask: why are any of you even posting here? Shouldn't you all be cooking dinner and bathing babies, leaving your DH to use the internet? I mean, you do realise knowing how to use technology is distinctly unfeminine?

Of course, I am not typing this - I'd break my nails on the keys - DH does it for me. In fact, he formulates all my opinions; I just nod, agree and continue to strain the cabbage.

Chubfuddler Thu 24-Jan-13 18:58:28

That's okay then bela. Carry on. But only because he said you could.

I'm not interested in all this boring talk about feminism. I only hang around here to tell you the errors of your ways. But it is very boring, so I think you should all talk about another topic of my choice.

I'll let you know what that topic is when I develop some interests outside of baiting feminists online.

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 19:04:12

<<actually owns a dirndl>> shock grin

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Thu 24-Jan-13 19:05:56

I made a dirndl in needlework circa 1982 <<which makes me sound like an elderly handmaiden>>

I used to be a feminist, but then my DH got me some of those Bic for Women pens, in sparkly pink, for my birthday (this is true, the stupid brave man actually did. He thought is was hilarious!) and I saw how we women need to have our own smaller pink versions of everything for the world to be okay. Our clitoris is even a smaller pinker penis, is it not? It is al nature intended. So feminists need to surround themselves with small pink things, and suddenly they will feel better about everything.

I feel there's a joke to be made about MRAs and small pink things, but it wouldn't be appropriate to make it.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Thu 24-Jan-13 19:10:01

Anyone else dying to know what LRD's jokes is?

garlicblocks Thu 24-Jan-13 19:10:54

You are right, Annie smile

I'm going to put the next part in another post, as it's a direct C&P from A Current Thread and I'm not sure if that's allowed ...

garlicblocks Thu 24-Jan-13 19:11:04

I agree that the difference in how beauty is noticeded and treated (both good and bad) is very much a primal, genetic thing. Men, particularly, are visual creatures. And however much we complicate our days with thoughts and deeds that do not relate to procreation, ultimately, our genes want us to procreate.

You can't really evolve past that, can you? However sophisticated our lives are beyond simply surviving, however sharp our intelligence, we all have basic instincts.

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 19:12:06

which makes me sound like an elderly handmaiden
Oh god, they're on about handmaidens again.....

seeker Thu 24-Jan-13 19:12:09

I just think it's more hygenic to shave my pubes. It's nothing to do with sex- I just feel cleaner. I think it's ewwwww to have pubic hair that gets all covered with blood and pee...............

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 19:12:35

I got a telling off from mnhq last week for making a comment about tiny pink things and a deletion LRD

Chubfuddler Thu 24-Jan-13 19:12:44

God I read your second post before your guest and thought you were serious for a mo

garlicblocks Thu 24-Jan-13 19:13:36

... So, as I keep telling you all, Women Have Got It Wrong. If you want a seat on the board of Serco or to be Prime Minister, all you need to do is be as beautiful as you are and stroke your thighs suggestively smile

The world's your oyster. Women have know this through the ages; look at Helen Of Troy and Cleopatra, for example. Feminism seems to have forgotten the Power Of Feminine Mystique!

A. Mann.

BIWI Thu 24-Jan-13 19:15:29

I was going to post, but DH needs the laptop.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Thu 24-Jan-13 19:19:23

I can't believe there are women who don't shave their pubes - their vajazzles must look pretty awful hmm

JacqueslePeacock Thu 24-Jan-13 19:19:51

You lot are setting women's rights back a lot, just by being so damn radical.

JacqueslePeacock Thu 24-Jan-13 19:20:28

Actually saw that on a thread yesterday <weeps>

garlicblocks Thu 24-Jan-13 19:21:36

You never did, ff?!



Sugar mice.
Babies' toes.
Gypsophila repens.
Rose petals.

<holds breath>

I was thinking about penises, saskia. Like what women do in their spare time, while they are washing the dishes and sighing after Mr Right.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 19:24:15

I made a "tiny prick" in ones tiny prick comment.. Then repeated it grin

<waits for this to go poof too>

garlicblocks Thu 24-Jan-13 19:25:04


feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 19:25:11

No but that is actually true jp, because if you want women to stop poll dancing the men will take back the vote

Grumpla Thu 24-Jan-13 19:25:35

I think about penises all the time. If only I had one of my own <DailyFailSadFace>

I'd like a pet penis. It'd be so cute.

Greythorne Thu 24-Jan-13 19:28:27

I agree with Christina Odone.

Greythorne Thu 24-Jan-13 19:31:54

It's the over feminisation of the primary school environment which leads young boys to seek out rape fantasy porn and violent computer games.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Thu 24-Jan-13 19:31:56

LRD Of course grin

Silly me blush I misunderstood because my heart was filled with longing for the imminent return of my Mr Right <<swoons>>

JacqueslePeacock Thu 24-Jan-13 19:33:56

See! ^^ THIS is why I won't call myself a feminist.

I have a pet penis. But it come attached to a husband. And it's a terribly high-maintenance pet. sad

MmeLindor Thu 24-Jan-13 19:35:24

oh, I am so glad that I found this thread.

<dusts off dirndl>

<makes DH cup of tea>

seeker Thu 24-Jan-13 19:42:08

I like the idea of poll dancing. Do you think it will bring out the hard to reach voter?

seeker Thu 24-Jan-13 19:43:25

I agree with Melanie Phillips

<wonders nervously if she has gone Too Far>

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

JacqueslePeacock Thu 24-Jan-13 19:49:58

Hmm...Melanie Phillips has some good points of view but did you SEE what she was wearing on Question Time?!

BelaLugosisShed Thu 24-Jan-13 19:50:36

I was horrified to see that 95% (at least) of the people getting their (education based) degrees at DD's university graduation last week were female, that proves that girls are being given preferential treatment , surely?
I should be ashamed that she was the only female in her group with a Maths/Education degree, how is she going to look after her future husband if she's all busy with a career?

That is the downside to them annie.

Greythorne Thu 24-Jan-13 19:56:23

I just think that you can go on about equality till the cows come home but until Venus Williams can beat Roger Federer, we just have to accept that men are stronger, faster, more agile, more stamina. That's why there's the pay-gap. Not just on tennis, but in all industries. Men are always going to have that physical edge. Simple.

garlicblocks Thu 24-Jan-13 19:56:40

Is it time to remind you all to lighten up, get a sense of perspective and stop taking everything so seriously?

BelaLugosisShed Thu 24-Jan-13 19:57:10

You can't have a pet penis! That is so demeaning to the almighty phallus, I suppose if you view it like a cat, something to worship , that might be acceptable.

Greythorne Thu 24-Jan-13 19:58:12

Women's football uses to be a joke. Unwatchable. But, honestly, now, I won't hear a word said against those girls. They are really picking up tactics and it's quite entertaining. Plus they wear short shorts.

LineRunner Thu 24-Jan-13 19:59:42

I love Sian Massey who runs the line. Just saying.

Phalluses are very demeaned. sad

LineRunner Thu 24-Jan-13 20:00:30

Obviously she gets the offside calls right by accident.

seeker Thu 24-Jan-13 20:05:33

And anyway, I like having doors held open for me and being treated like a lady. And dp - oops, sorry, d^h^, is such an old fashioned gentleman, he lovely looking after me....

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 20:05:38

I like the idea of poll dancing. Do you think it will bring out the hard to reach voter?

I do think it will bring out the hard voter yes.

Wallison Thu 24-Jan-13 20:06:04

Personally, I think my inability to hit balls over a tennis net is all the justification I need for earning 25% less than a man.

SinisterSal Thu 24-Jan-13 20:09:43

Yes I agree sexism is terrible but (insert an example of sexism here) is hardly a gendered issue.you are just looking for things to get offended by! Next it'll be a crime to make your husband a cup of tea.

garlicblocks Thu 24-Jan-13 20:10:55

I just know all my problems are because I'm old and ugly sad Feminism should support women like me, perhaps by arranging face and tit lifts for the aesthetically challenged. Then we wouldn't have to be bitter & twisted.

doyouwantfrieswiththat Thu 24-Jan-13 20:11:22

girls please, all this banter, are you trying to insinuate that women can be funny, you'll be expecting them on prime time viewing next and we'll all go to hell in a handbasket, mark my words.

Wallison Thu 24-Jan-13 20:13:37

(Btw my job does not involve hitting balls over a tennis net, but that is completely irrelevant.)

LineRunner Thu 24-Jan-13 20:14:08

I thought I was funny once. Mansplaining soon learned me, and learned me good.

SinisterSal Thu 24-Jan-13 20:14:12

I wear it for me.
(Id buy that if it was a varied range and maybe made of something tactile like velvet. But it never is, so i don't.)

Grumpla Thu 24-Jan-13 20:14:32

If I had a pet penis I'd buy it a special sparkly collar for it with little diamanté cupcakes on.

Wallison Thu 24-Jan-13 20:14:49

garlicblocks, I sympathise. Soon I will not only be bitter and twisted but infertile as well, which will only add to my bitter and twistedness. It's my hormones, you see. I'm just a slave to them. What do you mean, men have hormones too?

SinisterSal Thu 24-Jan-13 20:16:04

@grin line runner

LineRunner Thu 24-Jan-13 20:16:14

My uterus is moving up to my throat.

Wallison Thu 24-Jan-13 20:16:14

If I had a pet penis I would lick it and suck it while sighing orgasmically. I get such extensive pleasure from the mere act of having a cock in my mouth that I don't even need it to be attached to a man.

seeker Thu 24-Jan-13 20:18:00

Well my uterus is completely shrivelled because I read too many books.

SanityClause Thu 24-Jan-13 20:19:04

What's the big deal about voting, anyway.

I did it once. They gave me a piece of paper to draw on, and then they wouldn't even let me keep it. They made me put it in a box. sad

seeker Thu 24-Jan-13 20:19:27

Well obviously, Wallison. You're a woman aren't you?

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 20:21:03

Did you draw a flower sanity?

SanityClause Thu 24-Jan-13 20:21:56

Yes, and a kitten!

Wallison Thu 24-Jan-13 20:22:30

I am, seeker, and therefore forever in thrall to the Almighty Penis.

Also, my own worst enemy. Obv.

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 20:39:57

I <3 kittens

lemonmuffin Thu 24-Jan-13 20:43:07

Maybe what you see as 'derailing' is just other people not sharing the same opinion as you seeker

LineRunner Thu 24-Jan-13 20:45:51

Yes, that would be it. Thank you, m'lord. <curtsies>

garlicblocks Thu 24-Jan-13 20:47:03

Ooh, look! Lemonmuffin has mansplained grin

Thank you <3 <3 <3 it's all clear now ((( hugz )))

BelaLugosisShed Thu 24-Jan-13 20:48:32

I have my dibber all ready for the bingo, I see it's started grin

SinisterSal Thu 24-Jan-13 20:48:38

Its all so predictable though lemonmuffin. And a bit knee jerk. There are plenty of disagreements where both sides have valid arguments. And some that are just cliches trotted out.

Chubfuddler Thu 24-Jan-13 20:48:53

My DH says to tell you you are wrong lemon muffin.

So that's ok then. Your work here is done.

LineRunner Thu 24-Jan-13 20:51:08

I can't get a husband, so my views are suspect.

garlicblocks Thu 24-Jan-13 20:51:35

I'm really envious of the Penis. If I had one, I'd love it to have a little vajazzle collar with tiny diamonty kittens & bows, so cute smile I would stroke it all day and feel complete at last.

Linerunner, your uterus just needs a good shag, you know that don't you?

garlicblocks Thu 24-Jan-13 20:52:22

Chubfuddler wink

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 20:52:24

Would Lemon be my husband? I would pole dance whilst wearing a dirndl and baking you apple pie

rosabud Thu 24-Jan-13 21:00:04

I an't believe I've gone away for a couple of hours to get DH's tea and do all the housework and noone has bothered to acknowledge my earlier very clever and accurate opinion that Laura Ashley frocks are responsible for all the very few sexual assaults by men (AND women too, because, don't forget women DO assualt men quite a lot, in fact it's 99% of some tiny village populations) or come back to answer my comments on how Laura Ashley frock wearing and no feminsim allowed is responsible, according to the factually accurate Lord Fact Report (just google it, the evidence is hard facts and can't be disputed by any women at all, it explains all that in the appendix), for Greenland, where no actual people live, becoming the most prosperous and happy nation on earth.

Or are you all too busy following your own agendas and spouting your own opinions and not listening to me at all??

LineRunner Thu 24-Jan-13 21:11:09

I would follow my own agenda but am too stupid. I was going to follow Paul Ryan's but his eyes dazzle me into forgetting who I really am.

I think Green Land sounds lovely.

garlicblocks Thu 24-Jan-13 21:14:18

I was listening to you, Rosabud, but a man came along so I listened to him instead.

He gave me a Laura Ashley frock and a ticket to Green Land. I'm going to learn my place and be happy smile

BelaLugosisShed Thu 24-Jan-13 21:19:04

I had a Laura Ashley wedding dress - how did I get down the aisle unscathed?

LesBOFerables Thu 24-Jan-13 21:25:24

This thread is so ironic- all these feminists disagreeing and being rude. Much worse than anything men do.

lemonmuffin Thu 24-Jan-13 21:31:46

Perhaps it might be worth considering that what some posters consider to be misogyny, might just be robust and valid debate.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Thu 24-Jan-13 21:32:41

Well, in the last election I was going to vote for the most handsome candidate, but then dh told me who I should vote for, (my pretty little head couldn't handle political analysis), so I voted for them instead.

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 21:35:42

Which bit Lemon? Name one.

AnyFucker Thu 24-Jan-13 21:36:08

I liked the one in the pink tie

BIWI Thu 24-Jan-13 21:36:14

The word 'misogyny' does not mean robust and valid debate

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 21:36:36

or is lemon being ironic and I have totally missed it. If so I am tired and I blame my vagina

BIWI Thu 24-Jan-13 21:37:41

Just so you know:

mi·sog·y·ny [mi-soj-uh-nee, mahy-]
hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women.

TheCrackFox Thu 24-Jan-13 21:40:39

I'll need to wait until DH gets back in from work - he will tell me what Misogyny means.

LurcioLovesFrankie Thu 24-Jan-13 21:47:00

FF - I think Lemon may indeed be being ironic, but unfortunately some nasty feminists I met at university robbed me of my sense of humour so I can't be sure. That'll learn me for thinking I could go in for all this higher education nonsense without my uterus leaping up my throat and garotting me. Of course, he/she could be mansplaining where I am going wrong (where of course by mansplaining, I mean man in its traditional sense of synonymous with the whole of the human race). Oh, it's so hard to tell, I get so confused by all this interlectuel discussion stuff. My parents made a big mistake sending me to school and letting me learn to read, I tell you. Were it not for DS, I might think that my literacy had left me infertile.

NicholasTeakozy Thu 24-Jan-13 21:50:43

What a brilliantly hilarious thread! gringringrin

LineRunner, Sian Massey is a fantastic referee. I went to a match (in the Vauxhall Conference, not sure she's allowed to ref proper football) and she got every decision right. She is better than most of the male referees in that she applies the laws of the game as opposed to her interpretation of them.

<wrings hands> Will nobody think of the menz? <wails?

LesBOFerables Thu 24-Jan-13 21:56:07

Nicholas, I suppose that's because men understand that refereeing is an art, through which they express their superior creativity. In much the same way that men are chefs, whereas women are only ever cooks.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Thu 24-Jan-13 21:59:20

Women are obviously better at making pretty cupcakes. And heart-shaped birthday cakes for their dh's. And jam tarts with the dc etc.

But serious cuisine has to be left to the men, obviously.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

NicholasTeakozy Thu 24-Jan-13 22:02:30

Refereeing isn't an art. Hang on, am I overthinking this? Actually, I don't care, I think Sian Massey is ace.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LurcioLovesFrankie Thu 24-Jan-13 22:11:30

But overthinking is one of the things we women do so well. Along with cupcakes and dirndl skirts, natch. You see, it's not that we're inferior at all, equal but different, that's all. So long as we stay in the domestic sphere, we too can excel.

I think Sian Massey is ace too.

Greythorne Thu 24-Jan-13 22:19:27

Very hard to derail this thread!

I'd just like to say how brave I think beer is to post here. smile

Does your DW know you are talking about our 'tushes' though, beer? wink

I think you should stick around and get to know us better! grin grin grin

Btw, did everyone notice beer made his points so much better than the OP made hers?

Grumpla Thu 24-Jan-13 22:22:00

But what is Mumsnet all about?

Is it about mincing up and down in high heels walking my tiny pet penis on a lead? I RILLY HOPE SO!!!

<tinkling laugh>

LurcioLovesFrankie Thu 24-Jan-13 22:24:13

"Btw, did everyone notice beer made his points so much better than the OP made hers? "

LRD - You're not one of those feministy type of women (you know the sort, facial hair and badly fitting trousers, and shock no makeup) who always claims when a man makes an absolutely brilliant points - as BeerManTricks just did - that actually some woman had already said it and been ignored?

AnyFucker Thu 24-Jan-13 22:24:31

guffaw @ BTP

you so funneeeeeeeeee, especially since you have a penis and possibly facial hair

it makes you wondrous in your masculinity and not at all weird posting on a female dominated site populated by adoring handmaidens

shock lurcio!

You are twisting my point to reverse it. I think you are just jealous.

AF, do you fancy a little clique thread named after beer where we can get him to share some more banter with us? We could be the 'beer-ettes'!

rosabud Thu 24-Jan-13 22:28:06

I feel it's very hard to derail this thread because of all the irony and silliness which is being disguised as politeness but is, of course, all directed at men and how we much hate them. So we may be putting all the men off from coming on here and derailing the threads so, actually, we are clearly bullying them into silence and we are not allowing them to have their own opinion. Or allowing them to wear any of the Laura Ashley frocks. Or be sexually assaulted. No, wait........ well, anyway it just shows how domineering and controlling we are and how we won't let anyone choose anything that we don't like.....like sex. Laura Ashley sell lingerie too, you know. Somewhere. At the back past all the nighties, I expect, but nevertheless, it is there, and you can derail it if you want to. No, wait........

AnyFucker Thu 24-Jan-13 22:30:26

LRD...don't mind if I do. As long as his missus don't rock up !! shock

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

I wish I had a dick to wave sad.

LurcioLovesFrankie Thu 24-Jan-13 22:32:40

I once loaned a Laura Ashley dress to a male housemate. He looked better than me in it, the biatch!

His missus will be tucked up home in bed, surely? As all proper wives are at this time of night.

beer, I'm not a proper wife. wink. I'm a bit naughty! grin

<breaks cover to puke a little>

Grumpla Thu 24-Jan-13 22:36:10

Do Laura Ashley sell penis wands?

I'm confused.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LurcioLovesFrankie Thu 24-Jan-13 22:41:56

<Deliberately looks glum with intent to manipulate BeerManPotter into saying "cheer up love, it might never happen" so that she can complain about casual sexist encounters when in fact she led him on >

AnyFucker Thu 24-Jan-13 22:42:28

BeerMan...you so nawty

MmeLindor Thu 24-Jan-13 22:43:49

You know, if you weren't all on here talking about feminism and misogin... mysogynn.. misoygin.. woman hating, you would have time to really take care of your man.

In the time that you have twittered on, I have made my man his dinner, warmed his slippers, and read the paper to him. Only the entertainment section though. He doesn't like me to bother my pretty little head with politics. and stuff.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LurcioLovesFrankie Thu 24-Jan-13 22:47:35

Oooh <twirls hair girlishly>, my feminine wiles have borne fruit.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Grumpla Thu 24-Jan-13 22:51:02

Nobody wants to spank me.
Is it the dungarees? Or the leg hair?

AnyFucker Thu 24-Jan-13 22:52:01

Blimey, my knickers just fell right off

Grumpla Thu 24-Jan-13 22:54:45

<throws AF's knickers onto the roof of the bus shelter>

LurcioLovesFrankie Thu 24-Jan-13 22:55:39

Grumpla, I can give you some really good make up tips if you want. I think the lipstick goes on your lips, and the eyeshadow goes on (or is it in) your eyes. No, hang on that can't be right... Damnit this feminism stuff has really messed up my feminine mystique for me.

(Off topic, BTP, does your use of amn't mean you're from the same part of the country as me originally - E Scotland?)

Well I for one am delighted that Beer's finally shown her his true manly colours.

I can follow her him around now and flash my knickers.

AnyFucker Thu 24-Jan-13 22:56:29

doesn't it simply mean shit at typing ?

kim147 Thu 24-Jan-13 22:57:01

I'd love to add something intelligent, witty and interesting to this thread...but I'm too busy doing my eyebrows, legs, make up (lots of it) and shopping for clothes that are really for someone half my age.

Don't be so silly, kim. You're not here to be interesting!

We're here to be pretty.

AnyFucker Thu 24-Jan-13 22:59:04

kim, don't bother with anything interesting

just get your knickers off

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LurcioLovesFrankie Thu 24-Jan-13 23:02:39

thanks wine brew for BeerMan <ingratiating attempt to do something about shit graphics> Off to bed now, fnarr

AnyFucker Thu 24-Jan-13 23:04:54

Lurcio, don't do anything I wouldn't ! < arf >

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Well, thank fuck for that. It was getting disturbing.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Thu 24-Jan-13 23:16:38

That made me proper LOL <grin> - but was actually very reminiscent of a couple of real threads/quiche a while back. Disturbing indeed...

TheSecondComing Thu 24-Jan-13 23:18:06

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LineRunner Thu 24-Jan-13 23:23:02

I've going off Sian Massey now because you all like her and I am jealous.

Grumpla Thu 24-Jan-13 23:23:46

Well, since I've achieved my goal of becoming BTP's plaything, I'm off to bed now. May all your dreams be sweet and your penises beribboned! Mwah!

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 23:23:55

have made my man his dinner, warmed his slippers, and read the paper to him

He lets you read mm? shock

TheCrackFox Thu 24-Jan-13 23:30:12

Im only interested in what Beer had to say for himself. I love being mansplained to.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

AnyFucker Thu 24-Jan-13 23:34:46

< swooooon >

JustAHolyFool Thu 24-Jan-13 23:42:11

Lurcio !! I'm an amn't-sayer as well!

Why has this thread not been hijacked then?

Do we just need to be more furtive?

"Ha ha ho ho jolly japes and silly laughs."

Who's up for protesting a strip club?


Message withdrawn at poster's request.

AnyFucker Thu 24-Jan-13 23:46:36


Sunnywithshowers Thu 24-Jan-13 23:59:35

I'm totes happy for my man to go to a strip club. I mean, he works so very hard and deserves to relax.

Wallison Fri 25-Jan-13 00:02:04

Glad to hear it, sunnywithshowers. And anyway, it's empowering for women to show their tits and cunts to strangers for money, and all of them are really PhD students who are earning a lot more money than they would do stacking shelves.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 25-Jan-13 00:04:03

Absolutely. I mean, what's the difference between going to a lap dancing club, or just buying a woman a drink in a bar?

garlicblocks Fri 25-Jan-13 00:05:28

Wish I could be like you, Sunny. I'm insecure about my man going to strip clubs. He must fancy all those fit, skinny, young, glamorous women more than me ... sad I know if I don't trust him I'll drive him away, and then I won't have a man and it'll all be my fault <wails>

Wallison Fri 25-Jan-13 00:06:04

Actually, it's the woman in the bar that's at fault in those two scenarios, because even after you've spent money on her she may well not show you her fanjo.

garlicblocks Fri 25-Jan-13 00:08:25

Yes, that's rather dishonest of them, Wallison!

Do you think if I showed DP my cunt in a bar, he'd fancy me more?

runningforthebusinheels Fri 25-Jan-13 00:08:47

<Applauds Beertrick's big dick swinging>

Wallison Fri 25-Jan-13 00:10:01

It's always worth a try, garlicblocks. Might even get you a free drink. Winner!

runningforthebusinheels Fri 25-Jan-13 00:13:25

And, sorry. I'm a woman and a bit dim, obviously.

What's the deal about objectifying women being bad? I don't get it. Surely the fact that I watched Thelma and Louise and lusted after Brad Pitt's arse, gives men carte blanche to go to lap dancing clubs, still £20 in her thong, and get a woman to wiggle her vagina in their face? Doesn't it?

garlicblocks Fri 25-Jan-13 00:17:32

Lol, thanks, Wallison smile DP'll be so surprised! Can't wait to see his reaction! x

GothAnneGeddes Fri 25-Jan-13 01:05:38

Lap dancing clubs are harmless fun. Only miserable sillies who are also uncool get uptight about their husbands going to one.

I feel sorry for men. They don't get to wear all the high heels and make up and pretty things that we get to wear. We have all the power with our pretty things, you know?

Numberlock Fri 25-Jan-13 08:14:33

< waves to anyfucker >

Morning babez, howz u hun?

MrsGeologist Fri 25-Jan-13 08:14:36

Yes Goth, not only miserable sillies, but probably ugly to boot.

If you don't like lap dancing/porn, you're obviously only jealous of the women in it, because they are pretty.

AnyFucker Fri 25-Jan-13 08:17:44

I am great, NL. I have a pretty frock on and am looking forward to my first wolf whistle of the day. I have high hopes of a grope from the boss at work too, he's dead fit.

MrsGeologist Fri 25-Jan-13 08:21:22

AF, best practice your coquettish giggle in the mirror this morning.

Numberlock Fri 25-Jan-13 08:26:32

That's gr8, AF, what you like eh????!!!!!!!

MrsG I ain't got a clue what you is on about with those big long words lol.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

youlooklikeaclown Fri 25-Jan-13 09:22:41

Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore

NormaStanleyFletcher Fri 25-Jan-13 11:43:54

But what about all the men that suffer violence from their partners? Where are the refuges for them? Why haven't women organised help for them to escape?

garlicblocks Fri 25-Jan-13 12:28:58

The first time I saw that question posed for real, Norma, I nearly died! The asker really didn't see what was wrong.

Grumpla Fri 25-Jan-13 18:53:44

If it was your manly testossergroan hormone surges, BTP, you can't be held responsible for that. It would be illegally discriminating against you otherwise.

SinisterSal Fri 25-Jan-13 23:16:30

Feminism is totally irrelevant in todays world - i have sons. What is feminism going to do for them? Its men who are oppressed nowadays, what with the feminised educational system and family courts totally biased in favour of -children- er, mothers

AnyFucker Fri 25-Jan-13 23:27:54


garlicblocks Fri 25-Jan-13 23:35:38

Yes, and when feminists bring up sons they teach the poor DS to hate their own sex. Sons of feminists grow up to be self-loathing, vindictive wife beaters or wussy wimps who are probably gay and have gender confusion.

Courts should automatically award PPR to the father if the mother's a feminist and/or the child is a boy.

JustAHolyFool Sat 26-Jan-13 01:10:52

Yeah, bloody women not helping the poor men.

Biatches, the lot o them.

doyouwantfrieswiththat Sat 26-Jan-13 15:48:42

you know you're all very opinionated for women, who's doing the baking/cleaning/shopping while you're all on mumsnet? (feeling guilty because dp has done some hoovering while I've been reading the feminist threads) sigh...

LineRunner Sat 26-Jan-13 16:31:40

I sent my DS to the shop and to bring down laundry and now he is shaken and scarred and watching extra wrestling.

doyouwantfrieswiththat Sat 26-Jan-13 21:02:07

dp's been off to watch football for his testosterone boost. That'll protect him from any feminising effect of housework. smile

Numberlock Sun 27-Jan-13 10:08:16

you know you're all very opinionated for women

Woah, calm down, love! No need to get yourself in a tizzy!

doyouwantfrieswiththat Sun 27-Jan-13 11:17:52

I can't help it numberlock I get so emotional . Must be my hormones.

Numberlock Sun 27-Jan-13 12:06:56

Yeah I was thinking it must have been that time of the month.

garlicblocks Sun 27-Jan-13 15:24:08


AbigailAdams Sun 27-Jan-13 16:55:52

Honestly you lot. You are your own worst enemy. Men don't behave like this. They are respected. You know if you were just a little less moody and tidied up the house more, made an effort with your appearance and wore a few more clothes when out on the town then maybe men would treat you more equally. Not as equals, obviously, because you don't have a penis, so you are different. But differences should be celebrated. They are what men like us for!

Numberlock Sun 27-Jan-13 17:17:57

It's a fair point; someone said once about asking her hubby to help with the house and kids and stuff but he's been at work all week so he should really get to rest at the weekend shouldn't he?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 01-Feb-13 12:47:58

Women - you know your problem? Some of you just want to wallow in your own sense of oppression...

Numberlock Fri 01-Feb-13 13:00:50

... when the actual truth is that women have more bloody rights than men these days!

AbigailAdams Fri 01-Feb-13 13:05:07

Wallowing is what we do best.

Yes you are right Numberlock we have "special treatment" for having babies and everything.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 01-Feb-13 13:14:46

Just having a laff again, at Beertrick's playing the big swinging dick on mumsnet grin

It's a tonic after some of the other threads on here.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 01-Feb-13 14:02:28


Numberlock Fri 01-Feb-13 14:12:14

Oooh matron.

Miggsie Fri 01-Feb-13 14:46:22

Yes, everything is the fault of feminised primary schools.

Obviously women should be at home looking after kids because looking after kids is what women do best - unless they are getting paid for it - then it is wrong and men should do it - men stopped teaching in primary schools once women were allowed to, but that's because they couldn't stand the drop in standards - and they were not allowed to wear Laura Ashley dresses.

It is a well known fact that Laura Ashley was a man and was married and had children, so that proves it.

Has no one seen the Laura Ashley pole dancing new season selection?

Can't believe this thread has got to 273 messages without anyone pointing out, what about the men? Those poor men getting their rights trampled in the name of feminism. It ain't fair.

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SabrinaMulhollandJjones Sun 03-Feb-13 23:29:09

GIGA IS VERY IMPORTANT - his posts need to be noticed. Cos he's a man innit.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Sun 03-Feb-13 23:30:36

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LineRunner Sun 03-Feb-13 23:59:43


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