Free pole dancing lessons at your local library

(79 Posts)
sisterbrute Sat 19-Jan-13 13:15:01

This: www.midlothian.gov.uk/news/article/777/grab_a_book_and_a_free_pole_dancing_lesson
Having lurked on a recent 'pole dancing for fitness' thread and been thoroughly convinced by the arguments against it, I find this use of a library quite shocking - what were they thinking?

FFS. I wouldn't be opening up or staffing that library while that was going on.

fuzzpig Sat 19-Jan-13 13:24:47

Eww hmm

I work in a huge library, I can't imagine us hosting anything like that. The last thing we had was a meditation taster session!

I don't know what I'd do if we did though, as I wouldn't feel comfortable with it.

I'd consider it a form of sexual harassment and would refuse to work while it was going on.

FlatsInDagenham Sat 19-Jan-13 13:27:42

Yuk. More evidence of the normalising of porn culture within mainstream culture.

TheNebulousBoojum Sat 19-Jan-13 13:29:28
JuliaScurr Sat 19-Jan-13 13:35:35

www.unison.org.uk/acrobat/women_decisions2009.pdf
page 30 shows Unison policy against pole dancing etc
most library workers are Unison members
phone the union?

angelttc91 Sat 19-Jan-13 15:18:04

I do pole dancing for fitness and started in 2011, you do it in shorts tshirts and bare feet. It's not a sexual thing at all,the classes I went go were very popular with women of all ages and sizes. I've never been so lithe and toned, two hours a week alone makes a massive improvement, and it's much more fun than the gym, I have a pole in my spare room now to practice at home, it's great cost me just under 200.

angelttc91 Sat 19-Jan-13 15:22:33

I will add there was a man in my classes (well a young lad) and he was amazing! It's not just a sleazy thing, its very good exercise. Check out Rebecca butcher she's fantastic and came and taught lessons at my old dance studio.

Charlizee Thu 24-Jan-13 13:38:53

Newsflash: pole dancing is just another form of dancing. It's not sexual unless it's meant to be.

I can see where you are all coming from though, when one thinks pole dancing the first thing that comes into their head is a naked woman dancing around it while men watch and then transfer that connection to non-sexual pole dancings classes which are just for fun and exercise.

Charlizee Thu 24-Jan-13 13:40:44

@JuliaScurr, that document is specifically about lap dancing clubs. Not exactly the same as what the library is offering.

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE Thu 24-Jan-13 13:41:03

Yep I did pole fitness and loved it! Its not american style pole dance which tends to be a lot a bit more promiscuous, its just fun dance, that helps with your strength and flexibility.

They put it in libraries apparently to encourage people to get back into reading hmm

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 21:11:25

That's vile. So are children no longer welcome in libraries?

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 21:12:04

Grab a book and a free pole dancing lesson

They aren't even calling it "Pole fitness" or whatever. Just pole dancing.

PurpleStorm Thu 24-Jan-13 21:37:12

This would put me right off going to the local library. Especially as I normally go with DS.

I'm sure it exercises all sorts of muscles and requires lots of fitness, but I've never heard of it being performed (as opposed to taught) outside of a sexual context.

angelttc91 Thu 24-Jan-13 23:37:02

PS you are wrong there, it is often performed in an artistic not slutty way and there is competitions around the world for it. As I said RB is more an athlete than a 'poledancer' she wins competitions and what she does is just like gymnastics on a pole

It is performed to show off the most hard to do moves and not in a sexual way, pole dancers in clubs don't do this kind of stuff anyway it would kill them in heels all night, they just wriggle round it and grind it and all that nonsense

sisterbrute Fri 25-Jan-13 21:58:32

Oh okay, now I see. So maybe if the library had specified it was the 'non-sexual, not so promiscuous' kind of pole dancing - there wouldn't be an issue...

sisterbrute Fri 25-Jan-13 22:00:08

and also, you know, you can do it in an 'artistic not slutty' way. Bring your kids.

Gigabot9k Fri 25-Jan-13 23:36:33

Meanwhile in Mongolia, young male wrestlers oil themselves up, with plenty applied to the groin area, often by another young man, in order to increase the difficulty of their fine masculine sport. But of course, they are men, so it's perfectly fine and not sexual in any way.

A young male cyclist somewhere out there, is shaving his [ahem]genitalia[ahem] to reduce the friction on his thighs. But of course, he is a man, so it's perfectly fine and not sexual in any way.

Somewhere out there a male Japanese Free-Fighter is donning his skin tight briefs and thigh high protective boots and shaving off his chest and back hair, but he's a man, so it is a sign of his dedication to his age old sport.

And somehwere out there is a woman.... Oh no she gave up, because apparently she's a disgusting slut and should be ashamed of herself.

AbigailAdams Sat 26-Jan-13 00:51:02

Can we stop using slut please. This is the feminist board and slut is a patriarchal term to demean women.

Gigabot9k Sat 26-Jan-13 00:56:39

The matriarchy use the term slut often enough as well.

If the patriarchy isn't telling women what they can or cannot do with their bodies, then the matriarchy does instead.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Sat 26-Jan-13 00:59:29

What does the word patriarchy mean to you, gigabot?

AbigailAdams Sat 26-Jan-13 01:02:29

<sigh> there isn't a matriarchy. Anywhere. In the entire world. But I'll leave you to your delusions. If you could just stop using the word slut while having them, that would be great.

Charlizee Sat 26-Jan-13 01:03:42

"Can we stop using slut please. This is the feminist board and slut is a patriarchal term to demean women."

If it's a "patriarchal term to demean women." then why is the "slut walk" called the "slut walk"???

I agree with Gigabot as well, it's kindof like if a woman wants to be a stripper or something the feminists all want to save her from herself.

AbigailAdams Sat 26-Jan-13 01:06:56

Yep I know what you think Charlizee.

Slut walk is an attempt to reclaim the word because it is demeaning to women. It seems it hasn't succeeded.

Gigabot9k Sat 26-Jan-13 01:12:26

Patriarchy is a system of male leadership.

Matriarchy is a system of female leadership.

There is no "one" group of rulers/leaders, there are many. There are also many sub-groups.

If there were these all powerful leaders, controlling from the shadows, then we would never ever see political reform or social change.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Sat 26-Jan-13 01:13:15

Excellent.

Where is there a matriarchy?

SinisterSal Sat 26-Jan-13 01:17:45

A matriarchy! Fab! Where?

Gigabot9k Sat 26-Jan-13 01:19:04

Where is there a matriarchy?

Where ever a woman or group of women is telling other women what to do i.e. female leadership.

Example A:
>woman wants to pole dance
>other women actively humilate her and try to force her and others to follow them i.e. lead them

Leadership does have to be the over-all influence of the entire world; it exists in homes, schools, playing fields, pubs, you name it.

There are many sub-groups of power, each having an effect on each other.

A government leads a country, but the people can pressure the government to change, or even force it out entirely.

Power a dynamic, not static.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Sat 26-Jan-13 01:20:05

What is the minimum number of people required for a matriarchy, do you think?

SinisterSal Sat 26-Jan-13 01:22:31

Ooh i feel like chucking people under the chin. I know its patronising and all, which is a terrible crime, but sometimes you cant help thinking ah bless. Imagine to see someone try and struggle so hard and still not manage an actual argument. Like when a three year old goes into a stream of consciousness about aliens and cats.

Gigabot9k Sat 26-Jan-13 01:23:37

A Matriarchy could be of any size.

If 3 people are performing a task, and the leader of the group is a female and she has the last word, then they are existing within a Matriarchial system.

How many people in it is irrelevant.

SinisterSal Sat 26-Jan-13 01:25:50

Lol. Keep going this is better than live at the appollo

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Sat 26-Jan-13 01:27:22

Got it, thanks.

<crosses out NCT night out in diary, renames it Matriarchy Meeting>

Gigabot9k Sat 26-Jan-13 01:27:43

The logical fallacy of believing in one big Patriarchy, is that it does take in to account the sub-groups of power that exist in our society.

If the Patriarchy says that a woman should be sexy and should wear high heels, then suddenly that idea fails if you have a young girl being forced NOT to wear high heels and be sexy by a female. That young girl is now being expressly influenced by a Matriarchial system.

SinisterSal Sat 26-Jan-13 01:29:30

More! More!

Gigabot9k Sat 26-Jan-13 01:31:15

SinisterSal, mocking someone does not equate to a counter argument.

Gigabot9k Sat 26-Jan-13 01:34:28

If someone would like to explain why I'm wrong, instead of just telling me I'm wrong, then I would be interested to hear it.

But please refrain from mocking me or just saying "nuh-uh" and shaking your heads.

SinisterSal Sat 26-Jan-13 01:40:27

Mockings more fun.
Please, do continue. Its been a hard week.

CuriousMama Sat 26-Jan-13 01:42:28

Poledancing is more like gymnastics when done for fitness, not titivation. You have to be extremely strong and flexible. It's quite an art.

I doubt the library will be encouraging male viewers?

SinisterSal Sat 26-Jan-13 01:47:25

Why not gymnastics then? Serious question.
Why go for something thats so closely related to the sex industry when thee are other similar sports that can give you 2hat you want from a fitness and skills perspective? Always there is the argument that its just the same as gymnastics, but theres obviously a difference that some people find attractive.
Sorry for typos

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Sat 26-Jan-13 01:48:07

I'll get me a one way ticket to that matriarchy. If anyone can tell me where it is please?

CuriousMama Sat 26-Jan-13 01:55:33

A pole doesn't take up as much room as a gymnasium, perhaps that's it?

There are poledancing classes in my old home town and apparently it's difficult to get a lesson it's so fully booked? People I know who do it or have done it say they do/did it for fitness and never for their OHs or anyone else. Plus it's fun.

CuriousMama Sat 26-Jan-13 01:56:45

I must say though I find it surprising that a library is doing this? Maybe they're desperate to not close and trying anything to get people in?

TheSmallerPenguin Sat 26-Jan-13 02:19:41

Presumably it's not compulsory? Perhaps you could just not go? And leave those who want to alone. Much like they probably don't pass judgement on your choices.

Charlizee Sat 26-Jan-13 03:36:40

"there isn't a matriarchy. Anywhere. In the entire world."

What about Iceland or Sweden?

DadDancer Sat 26-Jan-13 05:09:59

I wonder if men are allowed to claim this free pole dancing lesson?

Male pole dancer

AbigailAdams Sat 26-Jan-13 08:24:05

Nope Charlizee. Wealth and power still predominantly with men.

CuriousMama Sat 26-Jan-13 12:59:11

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

CuriousMama Sat 26-Jan-13 13:02:48

^ that one looks naked in the end even though she isn't so I asked for it to be deleted in case anyone's offended. It's only her undies though. Fab dancer all the same.

LurcioLovesFrankie Sat 26-Jan-13 13:11:55

I think it's a bloody demeaning idea - akin to a library setting up a "come and be a black and white minstrel" show day. There is no possible set of events which could persuade me that pole dancing could be detached from its social and cultural context of the subjugation and humilation of women. If some people think otherwise, well, there's always some people prepared to butter up their oppressors. Bleurgh,
.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Sat 26-Jan-13 14:22:35

Excellent point Lurcio.

GreenShadow Sat 26-Jan-13 14:42:19

Have you detractors ever actually watched non-sexual pole dancing?

It is an incredibly physical sport akin to gymnastics or acrobatic circus skills. I find it entertaining to watch if you can put aside it associations with strip joints and the like. That male example up thread is a prime example.

What I don't like is to see the 'dancers' wearing high heel shoes like in the Jesus example. Now that to me is putting the accent on the sexual side.

I genuinely don't see men or women should be denied the opportunity to learn and take part in this as a general physical activity.

Why not just hold (or watch) a gymnastics or circus skills demo/class then?

The most supple contortions associated with pole dancing are the ones where people try and explain that it's not designed to show a woman writhing round a pole for the delectation of men.

CuriousMama Sat 26-Jan-13 19:47:18

Exactly GreenShadow. There's no writhing around it's all to show strengh and suppleness.

CuriousMama Sat 26-Jan-13 19:47:35

or even strength grin

DadDancer Sun 27-Jan-13 00:40:42

Why not just hold (or watch) a gymnastics or circus skills demo/class then?

because some people think pole dancing rocks! and it is different to the other gymnastic styles, with a whole variety of different moves. Did you not take a look at the video i posted with the male pole dancer? Can you not appreciate the skills involved?

Here's another one with Jenyne Butterfly.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIFbG8OCx80

The whole performance is amazing but check at 3 mins 20. Wow! shock

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Sun 27-Jan-13 00:58:07

Daddancer don't you prefer them with their knickers off?

CuriousMama Sun 27-Jan-13 02:11:39

Thanks DadDancer, that's the link I was looking for. I'd shared it on FB but didn't want to put FB link on here. She's unbelievable!!

LurcioLovesFrankie Sun 27-Jan-13 21:39:31

As a matter of fact I have seen pole dancing and can see that it requires enormous gymnastic ability and strength. But that's completely irrelevant to the point I was making. To carry on with my earlier analogy, someone could come along and say of the Black and White Minstrel Show that the singers were technically excellent and the dancing impeccably accurate - that would not alter the offensiveness of the whole enterprise.

DadDancer Sun 27-Jan-13 23:15:19

Lucrio, yeah but the black and white minstrel show is seen as offensive because it is deemed racist. What exactly is offensive about pole dancing in the format that i have shown in the two clips or when it is being done for fitness? isn't it being narrow minded and prejudiced by saying it can only ever be associated with lap dancing clubs/ striptease? (which i can sense is your issue here)

rosabud Mon 28-Jan-13 00:02:58

If it's not sexual, why does she strip off during the dance and do it in her bra and knickers? Why isn't her hair tied back in a bun like nearly every other gymnast I've ever seen?

It may be about supplenss and strength, but it's quite clearly about sex too. The giant pahllus she is wrapping her legs around whilst clad in her knickers is also a bit of a giveaway.

WhentheRed Mon 28-Jan-13 04:03:23

This whole discussion reminds me of the line from Ryan Gosling's character in "Crazy, Stupid Love": "The war between the sexes is over. We won the second women started doing pole dancing for exercise".

DadDancer Mon 28-Jan-13 13:08:43

If it's not sexual, why does she strip off during the dance and do it in her bra and knickers? Why isn't her hair tied back in a bun like nearly every other gymnast I've ever seen?

I think you will find that to perform a lot of those moves there needs to be a high level of skin contact with the pole, otherwise there wouldn't be enough friction to stay on it. Also it's not as if she is wearing Ann summers lingerie, it's more like sports wear. Some of the leotards the gymnasts wear are far more revealing.

The giant pahllus she is wrapping her legs around whilst clad in her knickers is also a bit of a giveaway.

Er no it's just a metal pole, but thanks for sharing your fantasy interpretation. grin

feministefatale Mon 28-Jan-13 14:27:45

Do you pole dance daddancer?

rosabud Mon 28-Jan-13 19:29:50

Yes but she takes the dress off during the performance, so it's a further link to the sex industry, it's a bit like stripping, do you see? I don't recall any gymnasts removing their tracksuits/dresses etc as part of the sport - because it's not lnked to the sex industry, do you see that? Gymnasts have their hair tied back because it's sport not, sexual pole dancing, do you see? Most gymnasts wear all in one leotards, quite often with long sleeves, because, in gymnastics, being a sport, the strength and suppleness is easier to observe through the smooth lline of such a sports outfit. The pole dancer is wearing her bra and knickers because she is not doing a sport where the main emphasis is on strength and suppleness, she is performing a dance which has close links to the sex industry which is why there is a tendency to do it in bra and knickers, do you see?

I do agree the fact that pole is a phallic symbol may require insight rather than just the abiity to spot the obvious, so I will let you off that one.

The fact that you do have trouble grasping obvious lines of argument, however, does rather suggest something about the level of intelligence of people who enjoy pole dancing.

DadDancer Mon 28-Jan-13 23:00:51

Ah Rosiebud, are you still not convinced yet about pole dancing? i can really sense you are sitting on the fence with this one. Well I think what you need, is to see another pole dancing video just to make sure. grin

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vw7pCiZEVs

Now this one is from Russian pole dancer Anastasia Shukhtorova and i am sure you will agree her performance definitely has a more ballet vibe to it? Incidentally she is also wearing an all in one leotard and her hair is tied up nicely too, as you desire. wink

CuriousMama Mon 28-Jan-13 23:55:43

DD interesting you mention ballet, I've seen some ballet that's made my eyes pop shock They don't wear much do they? But then again I imagine like pole dancing it's best not to?

Yere are some pole dancers that are doing it for different reasons. It is slowly changing though and beginning to be seen as a good way to exercise, which is fun too. Not everyone's cup of tea.

I've never thought of the pole as phallic before? More a necessity for the dancing/exercise.

I have seen a pole dancer in a bar just once, in Barcelonetta. We didn't go in to see her on purpose she just came on. I was mesmerised. The men in the bar were hardly looking as she wasn't really that sexual, just so bloody fit! Then a dancer came onto another platform, she was more very erotic. Their gaze changed as did mine and we left.

CuriousMama Mon 28-Jan-13 23:56:25

Yere should say 'Yes there' confused

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Tue 29-Jan-13 14:13:23

Mmm, I watched DD's link - certainly the strength and agility required are impressive.

Unfortunately, on the Youtube sidebar is a clip of US XFactor with a girl doing a pole dance. After her act the host has a little turn at the pole - and then one of the judges runs on stage and stuffs a dollar bill in the waistband of his trousers.

Is that funny? Maybe I'm having a classic feminist sense of humour failure, but pole dancing seems to be inextricably linked to the sex industry. I've never seen anyone try and stuff money into a ballet dancer/gynmast's leotards 'for a joke'.

God, not yet another pole fitness thread. The last one was done to death.

I am into pole fitness but there is no point explaining in this section, it will be villified anyway.

Personally, I think all this pole is phallic symbol is a load of tosh, I had never looked at it like that until I came onto this board.

What can you say, some people have filthy minds who see the bad side of everything!

Plus, I don't pole dance I do pole fitness smile

and yes, the more advanced you get you have to wear smaller shorts as you need to do what are called skin grips!

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Tue 29-Jan-13 14:43:29

I just googled 'pole fitness classes' and the top result was a picture of a girl on the pole in silver high heels. I just can't, in my mind, separate it from the sex industry.

But since posters like DD post on MN to endorse the sex industry (and not a lot else), I wouldn't expect him to see it.

Ok she has silver shoes on but she is doing a difficult move (superman) which requires strength and skill.

You see what you want to see though.

I assure you, in our pole class, there is no sexiness going on but lots of laughing - not sure how that can be a bad thing!

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Tue 29-Jan-13 14:52:23

In a public library??

imogengladhart Tue 29-Jan-13 14:52:46

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

I agree, a library is a very strange venue for poling smile

Hope they have checked their ceilings!!

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Tue 29-Jan-13 14:56:23

I am, indeed, almost as far away from midlothian as you possibly can be, in the UK. grin

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Tue 29-Jan-13 14:59:25

Our local library is full of old men in comfy chairs reading the Newspaper - I'm not sure where pole dancing would fit in there at all - unless libraries are going to become some sort of gentleman's club to attract DadDancer types. wink

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