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Sainsburys unisex school shirts....

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BertrandRussell · 02/09/2016 22:22

...are, in fact, boy's shirts. Of course.

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Velvetdarkness · 02/09/2016 23:03

In what way? Is it to do with the way they button?

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BertrandRussell · 02/09/2016 23:06

Yep. They are straight up and down shirts that button the boy's way. And they are being sold as "unisex".

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Gileswithachainsaw · 02/09/2016 23:07

Well surely there's only two ways they could button and would kids even notice anyway?

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Cherrypi · 02/09/2016 23:08

Isn't that better than having girl ones with heart buttons? (Like the trousers)

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JigglypuffsCaptor · 02/09/2016 23:09

Maybe they should have done alternating buttons? Grin that could have been interesting in a rush!

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SavoyCabbage · 02/09/2016 23:10

They could have done a two pack with one of each way of f buttoning.

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Gileswithachainsaw · 02/09/2016 23:13

Maybe a zip is the answer

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steppemum · 02/09/2016 23:16

not sure what the fuss is.
My dds hate the 'girls' shirts, because they have narrow sleeves which are shorter. They are also narrower in body and so less comfortable.

I have always bought 'boys' shirts, and dds are very happy and comfortable in them.

The whole issue of buttons is a non issue for me anyway as half my shirts etc are mens.

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BertrandRussell · 02/09/2016 23:17

Maybe not assuming "male" as default might be the answer?

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JigglypuffsCaptor · 02/09/2016 23:33

But a males shirt is going to fit everyone, a fitted shirt with darts is not going to fit a boy very well because of their structure.

The only solution is a straight shirt which is commonly, yes a man's shirt.

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BertrandRussell · 02/09/2016 23:41

But why boy"s buttons?

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GunnyHighway · 02/09/2016 23:52

Wow Bertrand, you're going all out to find offence here.

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BikeRunSki · 02/09/2016 23:53

Why not? They've got to go one way or the other.

The side buttons are on originates from the days when women had dressers, so "boy's side" buttons make more sense if you are getting yourself dressed anyway.

There are a lot bigger gender equality issues in kids' clothes and shoes than which side the buttons on a unisex shirt are.

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coolerthanthereddress · 02/09/2016 23:53

A straight up and down shirt absolutely does not fit everyone. What about girls who have breasts?

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Balletgirlmum · 03/09/2016 00:03

Dd much prefers girls shirts as they fit her better.

Surely girls & boys should be free to wear clothes that are both comfortable & that they feel flatter them (which is presumably why M& S have several styles including blouses with an extra bit under the buttons so they don't gape over the breasts

Dd hates wearing boys style (for wAnt of a better word) shirts as they make her feel shapeless & frumpy.

She wishes that the girls Blazers were cut differently to the bits (at her brother's school the girls Blazers are a lovely fitted style)

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norabattyapparently · 03/09/2016 00:09

Nobody is forced to buy them

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 03/09/2016 00:25

But a males shirt is going to fit everyone

No it does not. As Cooler says a straight up and down shirt absolutely does not fit everyone.

Many years aho I occasionally used to borrowed a plain white shirt from my husband to wear with a black tailored suit when we were both chest 34'. His shirt was too wide at the collar, too baggy round my waist, too tight round the hips and too long in the sleeve.

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FRETGNIKCUF · 03/09/2016 00:29

Silly Bertrand stop making a fuss.

It's boys way because boys couldn't possible button up the feminine way as that would be gay.

Why is it the boys way???

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FRETGNIKCUF · 03/09/2016 00:29

Large breasts will not fit in a boys short without being massive at the shoulders.

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FRETGNIKCUF · 03/09/2016 00:29

Shirt

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CodyKing · 03/09/2016 00:42

I have twins so needed boys white tops and girls white tops - so I knew who's was who's

I brought tescos one girls - one boys

Both exactly the same!!!

I want a bit of edged collar or buttons the other side - but no!!!

I agree why not 'girls' side?

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thedogstinks · 03/09/2016 02:31

But male and female bodies are different. It makes sense to design the fit differently.

Or are we talking very little kids? Like up to 7 or 8?

As an aside, on my first trip to Hong Kong 25 years ago I had a lovely pair of silk slim fit slacks made for me. Perfect, if I'd only, ahem, dressed 'to the left'.

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BertrandRussell · 03/09/2016 08:21

These are for 16 year olds. They would fit some, but I suspect not many, 16 year old girls.

The fact remains that a decision has been actively made that a "unisex" shirt will button up the boy's way.

It's not an occasions for outrage or offence. Just another tiny example of maleness taking precedence.

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Mide7 · 03/09/2016 13:00

Surely they are unisex buttons on a unisex shirt?

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Trills · 03/09/2016 13:12

Unisex always means "like men".

It's fine for women to want to do "man things", because man things are great, who wouldn't want to do man things?

If a man wants to do "woman things" there's something wrong with him.

Hence the ridiculous fuss about men working in nurseries.

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