(Yes it's a trans thread! Don't click if you're gonna whinge) The SAGE test.

(222 Posts)
BeyondASpecialSnowflake Thu 01-Sep-16 13:44:50

Having been directed to this test by someone who has come to mn to enlighten us all as to how we are all wrong to think "trans are in league with the devil" (wtf?!) and how "yes gender is not provable, but neither is God and we all believe he is real" (again wtf?!), I decided to have a go. Apparently it is used as part of the diagnostic procedure, though this person does seem to be posting from Amercia.

I will warn you, it is a truly awfully written and unbelievably biased piece of bullshit, featuring spelling mistakes, leading questions, and at one point the wrong "there"!! It didn't take too long though, and thanks to it I now know that I am a man. There are issues with some questions raised that can easily be 'answered' by my asd, so it's a tad biased there too.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else fancied having a go at it too...

BeyondASpecialSnowflake Thu 01-Sep-16 13:45:04

Here are my results....

S.A.G.E. Test Results
Your Raw Score is: -695, which indicates that overall you are Masculine

Your appearance is Masculine

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Male person.

You appear to socialize in a masculine manner.

You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

BeyondASpecialSnowflake Thu 01-Sep-16 13:55:57

And here are DHs results...

S.A.G.E. Test Results
Your Raw Score is: -455, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Quite Masculine

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a feminine manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Male.

ANALYSIS:
Male to Female Crossdresser
NOTES:

You are in a statistical minority as a anallophilic crossdresser. Most crossdressers are heterosexual. Your motivation for crossdressing may be driven by the undirected nature of your sexuality, as a way to more fully explore the Female gender role.

BeyondASpecialSnowflake Thu 01-Sep-16 14:14:30

How has DH got "appearance - quite masculine" and I have "appearance - masculine" when he is the only one of us who can pass as a bloke!? grin

ExitPursuedBySpartacus Thu 01-Sep-16 14:17:27

Linky?

ChiefClerkDrumknott Thu 01-Sep-16 14:26:32

I posted this on the other thread but my results:

Your Raw Score is: -315, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous
Your appearance is Androgynous
Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.
You appear to socialize in a masculine manner.
You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.
You indicated your were born Female.
ANALYSIS:
Female to Male possible Transsexual

Someone pass me my Special Snowflake badge stat!

BeyondASpecialSnowflake Thu 01-Sep-16 14:29:06

This is the one I did, the page is quite old though
www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/sage/

BeyondASpecialSnowflake Thu 01-Sep-16 14:35:10

And here's the comment about it, along with the link to the thread for reference...
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/a2721530-A-different-view-to-I-am-Spartacus?msgid=63319675#63319675

BeyondASpecialSnowflake Thu 01-Sep-16 14:35:29

Oops

CancellyMcChequeface Thu 01-Sep-16 14:43:26

Your Raw Score is: -300, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Feminine

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Crossdresser

...my appearance is feminine but I'm a crossdresser? confused Oh well. Must be because I never wear high heels and occasionally wear clothes designed for men. Is this proof enough that I'm not 'cis,' I wonder?

Lots of the questions were awful but I took particular note of the fact that there was no option for 'I don't shave.' I had to pick face, since if I did start growing a beard I'd do something to remove it.

ExitPursuedBySpartacus Thu 01-Sep-16 14:58:40

Sorry I gave up. The questions made me feel a bit queasy.

butterfliesandzebras Thu 01-Sep-16 15:07:58

Can't cut and paste but

-500, overall androgynous.

Appearance Feminine

Brain processess Masculine

Socialise Androgynous

Normal doubts

Born Female

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male possible Transsexual

My analysis: uh, no. So many of the questions were so badly written I couldn't even pick an answer (because I enjoy carpentry and think it's for everyone, not just men, for example).

The fact that I like science and maths and dislike hugs with strangers does not mean I have 'man-brain', it means I'm a woman with a woman's brain who likes science and maths and dislikes hugs with strangers.

I find it horrific anyone would write this sexist peice of twaddle, let alone that someone else would think it actually aided their argument that you can scientifically tell if someone has a male or female brain.

SecretSpy Thu 01-Sep-16 15:10:21

Utter bollocks. When was it written??
I got androgynous. - 385. Female to male cross dresser.

I can only assume that's because I didn't simper about easy maths and disinterested in giggling that girls like me can't park.

Where was the not really interested in removing hair option? Would I be more masculine if I choose steak in the restaurant? My veggie DH would be amused.

I'm a woman.

rumblingDMexploitingbstds Thu 01-Sep-16 15:15:10

Your Raw Score is: -335, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Androgynous

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Crossdresser

What a lot of narrow, selective, sexist, gender straightjacketed bullshit those questions were....!

So many stereotyped assumptions! shock

Your Raw Score is: -470, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Androgynous

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Male person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male possible Transsexual
NOTES:

Your Answers indicate your psychological state has likely prevailed since you were quite young.

TheFallenMadonna Thu 01-Sep-16 15:17:59

I am apparently androgenous. Pretty sure it's because I said I was good at Maths - they ask about that a lot. hmm

I don't see how it can diagnose 'appearance'. It asked about waist to hip ratio, body shape, height and foot size.

Soubriquet Thu 01-Sep-16 15:22:00

How many fucking questions?!!

Finding a lot of these questions sexist with their answers. It's obvious you would have a masculine personality if you can't identify people's emotions from a picture hmm

TheFallenMadonna Thu 01-Sep-16 15:22:26

My appearance is not in fact androgenous, although I do have short hair...

Pretty sure it's a "says she's good at Maths, but also considerate of other people's feelings = somewhere in the middle."

I feel cross, actually.

Neither is mine. Short, pretty curvey, longish blonde hair. Oh, but I can read maps, rotate shapes in my mind accurately, and recoil at the idea of hugging anyone except close family. So I must be male smile. In fact in the Baron-Cohen tests I come out as high sq and very low eq.

Soubriquet Thu 01-Sep-16 15:28:28

What's the betting if you clicked on the last answer of every question you would get feminine?

BeyondASpecialSnowflake Thu 01-Sep-16 15:32:20

Just looking at the answers, this analysis might require something a bit more clever than an iPad... grin

Each question has an "hyper masculine">neutral>"hyper feminine" response. A few random ones that caught my eye...

Watching sport > no tv > watching movies
(I consider myself to be) Clever > don't know > pretty
(Restaurant choice) Steak > fish > salad
(Drink) Hard liquor > water > something with a fucking umbrella in it

That's what we are. Pretty things that watch movies, eat salad and drink (also pretty) cocktails. angry

BeyondASpecialSnowflake Thu 01-Sep-16 15:35:03

Also, I'd guess it was written by a man. On the high heels question, the "feminine" answer was pumps. I guess that they don't actually mean pumps, or it doesn't match the question. Pumps are flat.

TheFallenMadonna Thu 01-Sep-16 15:35:41

Where was the wine option on the drink one??

It was also very USA based.

How would you prefer to be put to death? Blown to bits or poisoned???

BeyondASpecialSnowflake Thu 01-Sep-16 15:38:02

Blown to bits. I'm a man, we like things that go boom.
🙄

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