Notts police to record harassment as a misogynistic hate crime

(87 Posts)
grimbletart Wed 13-Jul-16 11:20:12

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-36775398

Are they the first to do so I wonder?

scallopsrgreat Wed 13-Jul-16 11:38:27

Oh good stuff! This can only help.

Interesting that they aren't going to report DV under the same heading because it has it's own procedure. Can't it have it's own procedure and still be recorded as a misogynistic hate crime? Can't it be categorised under both DV and a hate crime? All seems a bit inflexible <imagine my surprise>.

Positive news, I think. And provided they record the sex of the victim/perpetrator of DV, they can always analyse the data in a way that includes male-on-female DV in their misogynistic hate crime statistics.

WilLiAmHerschel Wed 13-Jul-16 12:51:06

I think it's good news too. I hope it's spread across the UK.

MyNameIsInigoMontoya Wed 13-Jul-16 13:22:09

Yes this is really positive! Hope it catches on.

Did you see the video of the reporter being harassed while reporting on harassment? I really wished she had got the camera crew to chase the guy down and asked him to explain himself on camera. Bet he would have shrivelled up like a salted slug.

0phelia Wed 13-Jul-16 13:57:46

Ooh! This should be a sign of things turning for the better <fingers crossed emoji>

HerBigChance Wed 13-Jul-16 14:14:40

Not before time. Some men get away with too much shitty public conduct, and misogyny has for too long been viewed as 'second-tier' in terms of legislation.

SpeakNoWords Wed 13-Jul-16 15:59:53

I wonder why it hasn't been recorded before when "gender identity" is already on the list of characteristics that apply here? Surely "woman" is a valid gender identity, and so being harassed due to being a woman is already a hate crime?

twittwooery Wed 13-Jul-16 16:06:56

A positive step, but isn't the fact there doesn't seem to be one for misandry, in itself misandry? If a man harasses a woman it's a hate crime, yet woman harasses man it's just harassment, when population wise it's 50:50 and I'm not sure that women suffer harassment more than men, makes the actual harassment worse. It's essentially signalling one is worse than the other because one is a man and one is a woman

SpeakNoWords Wed 13-Jul-16 16:16:10

"I'm not sure that women suffer harassment more than men"..... oh, ok then .... that's odd then, isn't it, that it's such a feature of discussion, with websites such as everydaysexism and so on. Maybe women are just over sensitive to men trying to compliment them? Also odd that I've been harassed on the streets many times in my life, because I'm female, whereas my partner who is male has never been harassed on the streets by women due to his sex.

twittwooery Wed 13-Jul-16 16:19:16

Speak i realise reading back that my grammar was terrible but it was still readable, so I don't know if you're purposefully mistaking what I said, but I'll try again.

I'm not sure that because women suffer abuse more than men it makes the actual abuse worse

twittwooery Wed 13-Jul-16 16:21:30

In such a way that it should be punished differently*

A two tier punishment system based on gender is anything but equality IMO

Xenophile Wed 13-Jul-16 16:25:47

I'm pretty sure that the abuse that women get is worse than the abuse that men get, because so few men are threatened with death or rape.

SpeakNoWords Wed 13-Jul-16 16:31:32

No, I understood your post.

Grimarse Wed 13-Jul-16 16:34:34

Misandry doesn't have to be performed by women. If a man is harassed or assaulted by another man, it can still be misandry, just as women can be guilty of misogyny. So I suppose it could be a form of hate crime.

Quite why anyone thinks a feminist discussion group would give a hoot is another question.

SpeakNoWords Wed 13-Jul-16 16:36:15

It's being recorded differently, not punished differently as far as I can understand from the report.

Do you think that most men would be afraid of a woman who harassed them because of their (male) sex? That the man would be afraid of further verbal or physical violence if they objected to the harassment?

LilacSpunkMonkey Wed 13-Jul-16 16:37:00

Didn't take many posts before someone did a 'what about the men?' did it?

Twitt if you're that bothered about the misandry, feel free to go and campaign for similar for all the men being sexually harassed.

YouAreMyRain Wed 13-Jul-16 16:37:56

twit how many men are scared of being followed home by a strange woman? Of course male on female harassment is worse because men have more power, both systemically and physically

twittwooery Wed 13-Jul-16 16:37:58

So your purposefully making an issue out if something I didn't say or mean to say, I see.

Yay for gendered punishments and everything beginning to be based on gender in a time when we're trying to make gender a non issue.

And also I'd say men are threatened more with murder, you know because they are murdered more, albeit at the hands of other men.

LilacSpunkMonkey Wed 13-Jul-16 16:39:19

So go and campaign for men to stop murdering one another then?

SpeakNoWords Wed 13-Jul-16 16:40:15

It's not being punished differently just recorded differently... And I quoted exactly what you wrote... The fact that you apparently didn't mean what you wrote is not something I would have known...

Grimarse Wed 13-Jul-16 16:42:39

Twitt, I am a bloke, and I do get what you are trying to say. It could be there on the statute book, for purposes of balance. But, to be honest, I don't think most of us would care if there was another way of categorising a crime against us. If you get sworn at, or smacked in the kisser, there are already laws and offences to take care of those instances.

And again, I don't think anyone on here is going to waste their time worrying about it either.

twittwooery you might disagree with the very idea of hate crime then? The notion that someone has been attacked or harassed simply because they belong to a particular group? Because white people's shops are vandalised, too. Straight people are beaten up, too. Able bodied people are bullied, too.

twittwooery Wed 13-Jul-16 16:51:01

Hmm, grim i didn't see your first post,

But I think it's important because if this is being implemented it could be just for this one thing, but it could also be implemented in other ways that could be against women. I guess it's the general fear of things creeping, give an inch and they take a mile. Perhaps im naive But I would prefer to live in a world where we are bringing gendered barriers down, not making more.

But I was just giving my thoughts, didn't mean to offend so I won't be returning and please disregard my other comments

SpeakNoWords Wed 13-Jul-16 16:56:36

Yes, bring down gendered barriers, yes please. Not sure why recording how much hate is directed towards women is putting up a barrier though?

Also, no idea what "giving an inch and taking a mile" is referring to?

But, I'll definitely support your campaign to reduce male on male violence - let us know what you've got in mind.

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