One Million Vaginas

(11 Posts)
FledglingFridge Mon 20-Jun-16 18:47:53

A facebook page, aye. But usually a good one. Memes about not letting men who hate women define feminism as women who hate men. It's my light relief feminism. It also gives me a look at things across the pond.

Well now "TERFS" aren't welcome. Because a page called One Million Vagina's and focuses purely on issues arising from having a vagina, must simply include those with cocks.

I don't know what I'm hoping for with this post, but I've just seen a woman torn down for asking what a terf is and not understanding how someone can actually change sex. It appears she listened in GCSE biology. So now she's getting called a bigot.

One less feminist group for those who haven't drank the kool-aid.

VestalVirgin Mon 20-Jun-16 21:03:32

It appears she listened in GCSE biology. So now she's getting called a bigot.

Yes. It has something religious, how they deny the obvious truth, and burn those who say the truth as witches TERFs.

Felascloak Mon 20-Jun-16 22:22:50

Grrrrr so annoying. Why would someone without a vagina even want to follow that page? Poor girl, I think the more that happens though the more people start looking into the underlying trans logic.

You might like this vestal if you've not seen it already
youthtranscriticalprofessionals.org/2016/06/19/doomed-to-repeat/

venusinscorpio Mon 20-Jun-16 23:52:18

To deliberately shit stir, I imagine, Felas. This is what passes for "activism" for some.

FledglingFridge Tue 21-Jun-16 07:21:03

This is what passes for "activism" for some.

They've deleted the trolls. By trolls I mean the women who spoke up and said they were uncomfortable. All their chat and they still silence women like everyone else. I though their numbers may drop after this, the "likes" on the trans posts were lower. But no, they've increased. No doubt welcoming their new men market.

Felascloak Tue 21-Jun-16 09:25:38

I do sometimes wonder whether spreading the trans POV "trans women are women, trans women are female bodied, vaginas are not a female organ" has been made easier by the general educational agenda in the states. Because they teach science with equal weight to religion (I'm thinking mainly of the creationist stuff) maybe it's easier to be unaware of/discount scientific facts across the board.
To me it speaks volumes that people are banned for asking those kind of questions. There is no scientific answer that is compatible with that trans point of view so better to kick the questioner out and shut the whole thing down.

FledglingFridge Tue 21-Jun-16 09:33:21

I knew Mumsnet Feminism would "get it". I was genuinely upset by this yesterday. We actually cannot define ourselves or our biology on a feminist page.

We're screwed. Absolutely screwed.

PolaroidsFromTheBeyond Tue 21-Jun-16 09:42:26

I follow that page and watched it play out with absolute dismay. I feel like we've all fallen down the fucking rabbit hole. Mind you, I'm as guilty in that I stood by and didn't stand up for those being lambasted. But I use my real name on FB and I have a genuine fear of being publicly labelled a TERF.

Felascloak Tue 21-Jun-16 09:54:25

polaroids you've nothing to feel guilty about. I know what you mean. I got led to being gender critical after getting pummelled on FB for saying I didn't think trans women were the same as bio women, and deleted all the comments. With the "transphobia" agenda I'm scared of saying something that could lose me my job. I don't blame any woman for not wanting to connect her real life name to GC posts. Look at the shit people like Germane Green, Kate Smurthwaute and even Peter tatchell have had.
It's a scary state of affairs though where even stating biological reality can be framed as discrimination and bigotry sad

FledglingFridge Tue 21-Jun-16 10:05:34

Polariods, I also stood by and said nothing. Any things from nasty comments all the way to rape threats and job losses. We're over a barrel here.

PolaroidsFromTheBeyond Tue 21-Jun-16 10:20:23

We are indeed over a barrel. I'm fundamentally a decent person. It's my instinct to stand up for those who are marginalised or oppressed. And I think this is what confuses a lot of people.

When I first heard of the trans debate I was definitely on Team Liberal Feminism. I read about the dreadful struggles and discrimination trans people suffered and was genuinely sympathetic.

'How awful' I thought. 'Yes we should make adjustments and accommodations to help - absolutely.' It wasn't until much, much later that it dawned on me that these 'adjustments' included redefining womanhood, disregarding my biological reality and a encroachment on women's safe spaces. And I was not ok with that. It still makes me uncomfortable to be on the 'wrong' side as it were and I would like to emphasise that I am not anti trans. I respect and encourage everyone to live their life in a way that will make them happy. But I cannot support women being thrown under the bus in order to achieve that. No.

However, a lot of people (most of my IRL lib fem friends for one) are stuck where I was a couple of years ago. Supportive of the perceived underdog without really engaging their critical thinking as to the consequences.

I think that by the time people do realise, it will be too late sadly.

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