"I Got Kicked Off a Mumsnet Forum After Asking People About Transphobia" (article)

[Snowshimmer]

www.vice.com/en_uk/read/mumsnet-transphobia-north-carolina-bathroom-bill

Lots of posters sounded offended by me inviting responses from "cis and trans" users, although my phrasing wasn't meant to antagonise; I just wanted to give all genders a chance to respond

No attempt to try and understand why women here didn't like to be called "cis", or any attempt to understand our concerns.

[MrsBruceBogtrotter]

I remember that post. I'm not surprised it was for Vice, given it appears to be staffed almost entirely by pornsick men.

[LadyStarkOfWinterfell]

Oh there it is! what a pointless nothing article.

[NeedACleverNN]

What a pile of crap

I really hope it doesn't become norm to be called cis thought

[SuburbanRhonda]

People can call me what they want but I will never acknowledge someone who calls me "cis" unless I say I'm ok with it.

[0phelia]

That article has done a great job at promoting mumsnet!

[venusinscorpio]

LOL. Were those comments really the best they could come up with? They would sound perfectly reasonable to most people.

[ImperialBlether]

This person worked for MNHQ?

[venusinscorpio]

Apparently so. It's not exactly The Whistleblower, is it?

[noeffingidea]

Just read this through a link on reddit.
Just had to post to say how proud I am of everyone who stood up on that thread.

[NoodleEatingPoodle]

"a 2013 report by the National Coalition of Anti Violence Programs in the US found that trans women were almost twice as likely to experience sexual violence as non-trans people."

Okay, and where's the comparison against the stark statistics on the female victims of male violence , which is the post the writer takes issue with. Nobody asked for a comparison of the sexual violence against "trans women" as compared with that against "non trans people" overall.

Disingenuous, deliberately misleading, women-erasing SHIT.

[EDisFunny]

I was wondering when the article would get published; it doesn't really say much, does it.

[EmpressOfTheSevenOceans]

So it wasn't Paris Lees, then.

And yes, the article implies that anyone who disapproves of gender stereotypes and believes in biology is being unreasonable. Plus giving a helpful signpost to anyone who might be looking for somewhere to discuss this stuff freely.

Riiiiiiight....

[APlaceOnTheCouch]

I think MN comes out quite well. The quotes don't seem to say what the writer thinks they do possibly because MN users can tell the difference between sex and gender.

[HermioneWeasley]

How did they get "booted off" exactly? We all just disagreed with him/her

[venusinscorpio]

Quite agree, Poodle. I was going to post almost the same words as you. The author is either deliberately misleading and disingenuous. Or they're really stupid. I can't decide so will give them the benefit of the doubt.

[APlaceOnTheCouch]

Didn't the thread get deleted? I thought it did.

[Helmetbymidnight]

Such a bizarre non-article.

Having a thread deleted is hardly the same as being kicked off either.

[Alisvolatpropiis]

I remember that thread. The article says a whole lot of nothing, really.

[OfCrayonBorn]

Women Talked to Each Other About Things Which Affect Women, and They Didn't Stop When I Called Them Names

Fixed the title for you, Vice.

[CoteDAzur]

Poor OP - doesn't even seem to realize that MN comes off as a pretty enlightened, liberal place in her article.

Her website says she has been a journalist for "over three years". Three whole years!

[ThatStewie]

It's not the greatest article - a whole lot of nothing wrapped up as controversy.

[Snowshimmer]

I wonder why readers are supposed to care about this. "I posted on an internet forum and my post was deleted for breaking some rule"...
Who is the audience supposed to be? People who are super offended that there is a place on the internet where women can actually write what they think about these issues?

[venusinscorpio]

I think there are a lot of those people, sadly, snowshimmer. However, I'm not sure Vice is the best place for such an article, I think there are probably many readers who couldn't care less about trans issues or whether mumsnet supports them. I'm surprised she didn't put it somewhere more earnest and social justicey.

[msrisotto]

Wow that is a spectacularly shit article. Poor novice journo. There is an incredible lack of understanding about the arguments they quoted in their own article. Deep as a puddle.

[PalmerViolet]

Fuck off Vice journo.

(Just thought I'd reiterate/paraphrase what I wrote on the original thread)

Hope they haven't quoted anyone who told them not to, because that would surely be actual literal violence or some such shit.