The SNP and gender recognition

(92 Posts)
Darrowisred Fri 01-Apr-16 17:42:17

www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/03/31/nicola-sturgeon-pledges-trans-rights-overhaul-in-scotland/

Does this mean I can change my nationality from Scottish if they achieve independence? I've never really identified as Scottish anyway.....

Darrowisred Fri 01-Apr-16 17:43:58

“That would mean enabling people to change the gender on their birth certificate without intrusive medical diagnosis, recognising trans people as the experts on their own identities. It would allow young people to legally change their gender, with parents’ support if under 16.

“It would also mean the law recognising that some people have a non-binary gender, that is, they are neither men nor women. We hope that the other parties will match this commitment and we look forward to working on this with whoever forms the next Scottish Government.”

My head hurts. Total madness.

RockCrushesLizard Fri 01-Apr-16 18:01:07

Some people actually have a non-binary sex rather than gender: intersex conditions (eg XXY orXXXY chromosomes) aren't that uncommon, and there's an important argument that these people need recognition, even removing the trans aspect altogether.

VestalVirgin Fri 01-Apr-16 18:07:04

If it was possible to change one's gender to non-binary, I would probably do so, and then look if I have more success. (Since my job doesn't require me to see employers in person very often, I miiiight be able to get paid like a man for a while)

Yeah, people with intersex conditions need recognition of their biological sex, just like everyone else.

However, the transnonsense eradicates all protections for women. Men would be able to not only rape other men in prison (as they already do) but also women.
Women would not be safe in hospitals, et cetera. Women at their most vulnerable would be housed with males.

BombadierFritz Fri 01-Apr-16 18:13:54

I'm going to become non binary as soon as possible and leave all that female-brain/feminine/liking pink shit far far behind. I expect i will still be duscriminated against but i should have better legal protection as anti trans is a hate crime

BombadierFritz Fri 01-Apr-16 18:16:17

Obviously it will depend how i feel from day to day. Some days i might feel male (pay day hopefully) others, female (skirt day)

AnthonyBlanche Fri 01-Apr-16 19:06:23

Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP will say anything if they think it will get them more votes. This nonsense will no doubt gain them LGBT votes but will surely lose them votes from religious groups such as Muslims and Catholics?

As someone who repeatedly says she stands up for women, Nicola surely hasn't thought the implications of her latest announcement through. I urge Every woman in Scotland who doesn't want to see women with penises in what should be safe spaces for women to write to Nicola and point out that women will be disadvantaged by this policy.

LumpySpacedPrincess Fri 01-Apr-16 21:03:06

The need to right on is now more important than the need to be right.

Cocoabutton Fri 01-Apr-16 21:03:55

Yes. I saw the headline on the Herald this morning. Unfortunately, I don't think it was an April Fool. I didn't read the article or the detail (could not face it), but I will do so.
I already thought I need to write to Sturgeon and my MSP if this is right. And women's groups etc.
What is the most credible opposition party in Scotland at the moment? Because this alone would make me not vote SNP. I get the intersex issue, but this sounds like it has been made up on the spot.

peggyundercrackers Fri 01-Apr-16 21:17:59

Bombardier will changing a word on a piece of paper make you think differently? Or like different things? Sorry I didn't realise only females liked pink...

As someone else said SNP will say anything just now to try and keep their voting numbers up - smells of desperation...

Darrowisred you will need to wait a long time before Scotland is an independent country - it's not going to happen any time soon.

BombadierFritz Fri 01-Apr-16 21:54:32

Oh yes, have you not read any recent commentary on non binary? Here, enjoy . . .
everydayfeminism.com/2015/06/non-binary-101/

Frankly, yes i am sort of taking the piss, but if the world is giving up on biological markers and moving onto gender, then i blatantly do not fit in the 'woman' category as i dont wear make up, hate pink, rarely wear dresses, am quite assertive/aggressive. Yet i am not a man either. So i'm going non binary. I expect my own toilet facilities.

Roonerspism Fri 01-Apr-16 21:58:20

I think trying to achieve independence with nae cash became too hard. So they had to think of some other ludicrous piece of horse shite.

What is depressing is that these people are the Scottish government

BombadierFritz Fri 01-Apr-16 22:02:10

I dont id as either man or woman by new stereotypical definitions. Just adult human female.

HirplesWithHaggis Fri 01-Apr-16 22:07:07

Off topic, but have to grin at Peggy saying the SNP are desperate for votes. 56 out of 59 MPs, a majority gvt looking likely in May, most trusted gvt in Europe... yeah, they're struggling.

We don't know the final details of this proposal yet, perhaps "third gender" loos, changing rooms etc will be provided?

BombadierFritz Fri 01-Apr-16 22:09:30

Well they better not be taken up with trans men/women! They can use their own facilities. I want my non sexist one all to myself

AnthonyBlanche Fri 01-Apr-16 22:19:22

Not quite 56 any more Hirples! They've lost at least 2, or is it 3?, in less than a year. At the current rate of attrition we can expect them to lose another 8 to 10 over the remaining lifetime of parliament...

AnthonyBlanche Fri 01-Apr-16 22:23:07

Ooh yes, Scotland could spend some of the extra trillions it has in the bank forcing every public and private institution to provide gender neutral facilities in every building, in fact why stop with public buildings? Best to pass a law making it compulsory for all private homes to have special facilities for each of non binary, trans women and trans men

LassWiTheDelicateAir Fri 01-Apr-16 22:35:51

Because this alone would make me not vote SNP. I get the intersex issue, but this sounds like it has been made up on the spot

Bit like the economic policy for an independent Scotland. (goodness what a great day 19th September 2014 was)

Roonerspism Fri 01-Apr-16 22:40:13

hirtles most trusted government?!?! Could you imagine if Indyref had been a yes? Dear god!

They are useless fuckers who are destroying what is good with Scotland. Let's start with education, shall we?

MintChocAddict Fri 01-Apr-16 22:42:04

Aw jeez. I just can't take them seriously.
'What can we come up with today to make us seem like a progressive, all inclusive party without thinking any of the logistics through?? Hmm, thinking caps on MSPs. Remember though, we must all agree on everything and no-one questions the status quo, right? Bingo!'
Meanwhile behind the scenes the education system continues to fall apart, policies that worryingly intrude into the lives of its citizens are introduced, and the ongoing push for a second referendum continues with no respect shown to the 55% majority that said no. Thoroughly sleekit and depressing.
At least the Tory's are horribly transparent and you know exactly what you're getting.
Grim.

peggyundercrackers Fri 01-Apr-16 22:43:42

Hirples what I meant is they are trying to gain votes to boost their majority so will say anything to try and gain the extra voters they need to try and secure a second indyref. I don't believe their majority will be as big this time as it was the last - they have divided Scotland too much.

Yea in 2015 they were thought of as the most trusted govt. in the eu - I wonder how that survey would stand today if they asked the same questions...

peggyundercrackers Fri 01-Apr-16 23:02:40

I've had a quick look at the survey and tbh a lot of the answers contradict other answers. 42% of people thought their stand of living went down yet they trust the govt? 48% of people thought the NHS was suffering because of decisions made by the uk govt. yet NHS Scotland is run by the Scottish govt? Hmm...

AyeAmarok Fri 01-Apr-16 23:10:07

I think trying to achieve independence with nae cash became too hard. So they had to think of some other ludicrous piece of horse shite.

What is depressing is that these people are the Scottish government

grin

So true.

Mrsfrumble Fri 01-Apr-16 23:13:40

According to that Everyday Feminism piece I'm gender fluid I think. Today I'm wearing jeans, unisex desert boots, a jumper from the menswear department of M&S and no make-up. On Sunday I'll probably wear a frock and some mascara. Hmmmm....

Do Everyday Feminism make a habit or massively oversimplifying stuff, or is the basis for these labels really so shallow?

AnthonyBlanche Fri 01-Apr-16 23:15:55

I think the SNPs facade is starting to slip. A LOT of people not happy about the named person stuff and the pre-referendum white paper has recently been exposed as a delusional piece of work. I'm sure my fellow scots will come to their senses soon and vote the pillocks out.

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