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The "daughter" who murdered her father who had MS

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AskBasil · 26/02/2016 17:59

Is actually his son.

fancy sharing a cell with this bloke?

This is really serious, violent crime figures are going to be totally distorted as more and more men claim they are women and statisticians meekly record them as such.

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SummerHouse · 26/02/2016 18:04

No it is his daughter who has lived as a woman for many years and changed her name in 2008. Is this a joke post?

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BeyondBootcampsAgain · 26/02/2016 18:09

Nope, son

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WilLiAmHerschel · 26/02/2016 18:09

I don't think it is a laughing matter that crimes committed by men will be recorded as having been committed by a woman.

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grimbletart · 26/02/2016 18:17

AskBasil is right.

Talk about the emperor having no clothes. Man decides he is a woman. Everyone says OK and shrugs. Let's put her in a women's jail and record her crime as being committed by a woman. Oh and then wait for the misogynists to say female violent crime is climbing…

Isn't it a bit early for 1 April? It would be laughable if it was not so bizarre and surreal.

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abbsismyhero · 26/02/2016 18:18

lived as a woman but not transgender? so a transvestite? not a woman/becoming a woman just dressed as one?

there is a difference according to google

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CultureSucksDownWords · 26/02/2016 18:20

Sorry, but when I read this story earlier today I assumed it was his son. The picture is of a man, is it not a recent picture?

Is this individual really going to be housed in the women's prison estate? Do they have a gender identity certificate (is that the correct term)? Is this crime going to be recorded as a female perpetrator?

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slugseatlettuce · 26/02/2016 18:23

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PalmerViolet · 26/02/2016 18:29

This is really serious, violent crime figures are going to be totally distorted as more and more men claim they are women and statisticians meekly record them as such.

This.

That is a picture of a man. Unless it was taken before 2008 and that person has radically changed then, they are still, in any way that matters, male.

The Overton Window shifts and shifts and women will no doubt have little say in who they are forced to share a cell with.

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BeyondBootcampsAgain · 26/02/2016 18:32

Now now, lots of women have five o clock shadows that could rival that...
Oh no, wait, they don't.

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Akire · 26/02/2016 18:34

There must be enough cases now so trans gender get own cell or share with another trans gender person.

You can't argue about sharing a cell with a male body in a women's prison of you have a male body yourself. Though be interesting to hear their arguments about how this woulnt make them feel safe yet same time expecting other women to feel safe with them.

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PalmerViolet · 26/02/2016 18:35

Given that MTT are as violent as their male counterparts, then, I'd have to agree with you Akire.

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AskBasil · 26/02/2016 18:40

How has he lived as a woman, SummerHouse?

How is that achieved?

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AskBasil · 26/02/2016 18:47

Murdering your father isn't living life as a woman is it.

Violent crime like murder, is more typical of living as a man, than as a woman.

At the moment.

Hmm

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zozzij · 26/02/2016 19:13

Claire Darbyshire, who was born male but has lived her life as a female

What does this mean? What does "lived as a female" mean? How does "a female" live? Which female?

This is FUCKING BULLSHIT.

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IShouldBeSoLurky · 26/02/2016 19:23

To be fair, being trapped living as an unpaid career for an elderly relative isn't the worst definition of "living as a female" I've seen.

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AnyFucker · 26/02/2016 19:26

I was only half watching the new

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LaurieFairyCake · 26/02/2016 19:27

That is the darkest sentence ever Ishoukdbesolucky Grin

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AnyFucker · 26/02/2016 19:28

Oops

Watching the news and caught the photograph

I took a double take, that is for sure. I thought my Friday evening wind down glass of vino had been spiked or summat

Why no reference to the fact the pic was clearly of a bloke ?

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Mide7 · 26/02/2016 19:29

what's the concern with the way crime committed by trans people is classified and reported?

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AnyFucker · 26/02/2016 19:29

I am certain it was no bundle of laughs... but murder ?

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IShouldBeSoLurky · 26/02/2016 19:33

Mide, the concern is that currently, when women say, "We need to address the issue of male violence," we get a thousand words about how women commit violent crimes to, to which we can respond by saying that they do, but in far smaller numbers, now please can we get back to that issue of male violence we were trying to address. Lump TW's crime figures in with women's and the distinction becomes much less clear.

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AnyFucker · 26/02/2016 19:38

That would be because they are blokes

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Mide7 · 26/02/2016 19:39

Cool I understand that ishould but is it going to skew the figures that much? I think I know what the answer will be.

My very quick google search says that in America almost 91% of homicides are committed by men. That's a absolutely massive amount of murders for trans women to commit to put a dent in it.

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BombadierFritz · 26/02/2016 19:43

Oh ffs. Read this earlier. No mention of trans.

Its also important because we keep getting told we are hysterical for being concerned about letting men who claim to be women into women only spaces. Poor harmless transwomen who need protecting from nasty male violence. Which obviously they are not prone to, what with being women

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IShouldBeSoLurky · 26/02/2016 19:44

It would skew them enough, especially wrt violent crime. You'd suddenly get a jump in the % of "women" prisoners who've committed violent crime, "women" convicted of rape, "women" guilty of DV etc. And that would make discussing and dealing with male violence much harder.

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