Right you pesky feminists, which sort of rape is *worse* <Dawkins related>

(217 Posts)
ladyblablah Tue 29-Jul-14 19:55:53

So Dawkins (self proclaimed ironic prophet) has decided that date rape is not as bad as a rape with a knife at your throat.

I have a question - what if the date rape includes a knife at the throat - what then - who wins at being the worst?

Is there a rule that date rape doesn't include knives? Do us feminists not know this rule for rapists?

ethelb Tue 29-Jul-14 19:59:25

What would he prefer?

CatKisser Tue 29-Jul-14 20:00:07

Sorry to be crass but I cant help wondering which Richard Dakins would find worse - having his arse forcefully penetrated by a stranger or having it forcefully penetrated by an acquaintance.

Sigh - illogical I know, I'm just disappointed at RD - I like him. sad

KittyandTeal Tue 29-Jul-14 20:01:00

While we're here can we also rank ongoing sexual abuse as well. I think that might also be helpful to Dawkins.

Jesus wept some people are all kinds of insensitive!

StickyProblem Tue 29-Jul-14 20:01:50

Well said CatKisser!

DrinkFeckArseGirls Tue 29-Jul-14 20:03:53

I'm guessing he is sort of 'factoring' in the danger of losing life when a knife is involved.

ladyblablah Tue 29-Jul-14 20:05:31

I just read his 'apology'. I literally DETEST all this "i am so logical because I am an atheist" shite he spouts.

Because what exactly is illogical about saying that rape is rape whatever the circumstances. The act of having a knife against someone's throat is not included in the act of rape, it is an assault of some description <law fail>. Not actually relevant to the act of rape. So logic doesn't seem to be fitting here.

ethelb Tue 29-Jul-14 20:05:51

X-post

Bus seriously, he would rather, say, his hypothetical husband who he loves, trusts and relies on financially does this, or some maniac jumps out of the bushes at him weilding a knife.

Does he not understand that there really is little debate on this in this country, rape is rape and aggravated rape is aggravated rape. If you are also violently assulted, a victim of GBH or attempted murder the aggressor is tried for those things too. That is if you ever get to court.

ladyblablah Tue 29-Jul-14 20:06:55

My friend was 'date raped' <hate that phrase anyway> with a pillow over her face. Suppose that 'logically' would be a much nicer and softer way to be raped.

Jesus, yes jesus wept.

cruikshank Tue 29-Jul-14 20:09:11

CatKisser agree with you completely, including being disappointed with him.

This is like 'good AIDS' and 'bad AIDS' stuff. Really, very very poor show.

ethelb Tue 29-Jul-14 20:10:22

www.independent.co.uk/news/people/richard-dawkins-says-date-rape-is-bad-stranger-rape-is-worse-on-twitter-9634572.html

My God, he doesn't actually understand that date rape and stranger rape and "mild" paedophilia and violent paedophillia are the same thing under UK law does he? He really is a shit philosopher. And lawyer.

MorphineDreams Tue 29-Jul-14 20:11:06

For the person being raped it doesn't matter what scenario it is.

But I understand what point he's trying to get at, although he made it very poorly and no wonder it caused offence. He could have just easily had said, 'getting run over by a car is bad, but by a train is worse', although both are bad either way if the outcome is the same.

PetulaGordino Tue 29-Jul-14 20:11:10

why is it for these sorts of "logical" arguments, people so often choose rape as the hypothetical situation?

MontyGlee Tue 29-Jul-14 20:18:33

In all innocence, I'd be grateful if someone could explain the issue. It does seem to me (and others) that there are a variety of scenarios which indicates a spectrum or scale. It occurs t

MontyGlee Tue 29-Jul-14 20:20:14

Bloody iPhone.

It occurs to me too that homocide has varying degrees under the law in most countries regardless of dead being dead (there aren't degrees of dead, but degrees of causing death do exist).

JustTheRightBullets Tue 29-Jul-14 20:22:13

Basically, all rape is equally bad.

There might be other factors that make it worse - violence, abduction, threats...

But the rape aspect isn't better because someone knows the perpetrator. And studies have shown that it's no less traumatising.

Stranger rape being worse than acquaintance rape is a rape myth.

CatKisser Tue 29-Jul-14 20:23:11

Well ask yourself this question Monty: In what circumstances would you rather be raped?

I'm guessing your answer would be "I'd rather not be raped at all."

That, for me, is why his comments are so distasteful.

Yours,

A two time rape survivor (both aqcuaintances so by RD's logic I should be grateful.

JustTheRightBullets Tue 29-Jul-14 20:23:56

The mild vs violent paedophilia thing - I understood that to means groping vs penetration. Is that not what was meant?

I would say penetration is worse than groping, even though they are both bad.

ChanelNumber19 Tue 29-Jul-14 20:24:06

blimey. agree, which would he prefer?

i think a date rape is a personal betrayal on top of a rape.

Picklepest Tue 29-Jul-14 20:25:33

He doesn't understand CONSENT let alone bloody rape. His must be a very pretty brain where actual thinking tires it out...

Catkisser good post.

JustTheRightBullets Tue 29-Jul-14 20:25:39

The different degrees of homicide relate (as I understand it) to premeditation / intention.

All rape is intentional - men don't do it by accident (another rape myth).

ChanelNumber19 Tue 29-Jul-14 20:26:13

his comments show that he thinks that if you agree to go on a date with somebody you are a little bit attracted to them, at least, so therefore, he can't understand why it is so bad to be raped by somebody you perhaps potentially could have been attracted to. It just shows he's no comprehension of the horror whatsoever.

Picklepest Tue 29-Jul-14 20:28:38

Rape implies I guess for (some) men (I have no idea why) violence. Ergo it's only rape if a stranger on a dark alley and you were in dowdy clothes. Anything else is filed under some variation of 'asking for it'.

Makes so bloody mad and sad.

MontyGlee Tue 29-Jul-14 20:33:02

But Catkisser, in the highly unlikely scenario that I had to make such a terrible choice, I would make a choice. I'm pretty clear about what I'd choose too. Sorry, is that the wrong answer?

ladyblablah Tue 29-Jul-14 20:36:09

So what would you chose Monty, and why?

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