This is fucking disgraceful (Daily Mail)

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rootypig Mon 26-May-14 16:09:50

Daily Mail is framing a teenage girl as being at the root of the Santa Barbara shootings, because she 'teased' the perpetrator (according to his 'manifesto'). They have posted pictures of her (with her face pixelated, some concession), in varying states of undress, of course (bikinis, short shorts, things that best fit the narrative).

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2639555/Meet-model-named-Santa-Barbara-killer-reason-saw-women-mean-cruel-heartless-creatures.html

I loathe them already, but this has shocked me. The poor girl. How can they get away with this?

rootypig Mon 26-May-14 21:37:25

I'm referring to your post at 20:00 Nancy, in the context of all your other posts on this thread in support of the DM.

Anyway I've just hopped over to feminism to read the thread that cat mentions and as a result I think that people there are interested in this so I've ask MN to move the thread.

Nancy66 Mon 26-May-14 21:41:12

I know - it's 8 words stating an update. Where's the 'barely concealed glee?'

LoveSardines Mon 26-May-14 21:41:30

The point the op is making, at the moment, is that some posters are dating how terrible one sorry of bullying is, speculating that this young man was bullied and that it is therefore understandable that he murdered a bunch of people, while saying nothing about the bullying behaviour of a paper towards this girl who as far as we know has done nothing wrong whatsoever, let alone committed multiple murder.

Op has an excellent point and it is being played out excellently by some posters.

LoveSardines Mon 26-May-14 21:42:16

Phone spelling awful sorry.

rootypig Mon 26-May-14 22:00:36

It's inferred from the rest of your posts

Thanks for the love, Love grin

Nancy66 Mon 26-May-14 22:06:50

its not inferred, it's assumed by you because I didn't agree with you.

YetAnotherHelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 26-May-14 22:08:12

Hi all,
Rootypig has asked that this be moved to Feminism, and we are happy to oblige.

rootypig Mon 26-May-14 22:09:04

Noooo, it's inferred from the style and content of your posts. Plenty of people here who don't agree with me.

But you're right, on reflection, your posts have been devoid of emotion glee smile

rootypig Mon 26-May-14 22:11:53

Sorry - that sounds more insulting written down - it was a bit more playful in my head!

I am happy to disagree Nancy, but I find your brusque posting style difficult to engage with. Of course that is your prerogative, but that is the basis of my inference - which I am happy to accept is wrong.

Unlike my substantive reading of the PCC code of conduct grin

Nancy66 Mon 26-May-14 22:13:46

I've just been factual - anyhow happy to have been able to correct some of your many errors.

rootypig Mon 26-May-14 22:18:54

Aha, see that's it, you're disingenuous. You are being critical, dismissive, and I would infer condescension, and yet will give nothing of yourself in terms of argument.

I don't think it's a fair way to go about business. Again, it's your prerogative, but it plays its part in the journey of the thread down the drain

MmeLindor Mon 26-May-14 22:18:59

Read this in NYT and then tell me that he was just a poor, misunderstood boy who was bullied in school.

He mentions his first female friend - who was FIVE YEARS OLD -"My first friend in America had grown up to represent the type of people who have caused me so much pain in my life. She would eventually come to represent everything I hate."

These girls have done nothing wrong. They are in no way responsible for the actions of a boy they can barely remember.

thecatfromjapan Mon 26-May-14 22:22:29

Hello again, rootypig.

I've complained. it may do no good ... but one day ....

Seriously, we live in a weird, weird world where a guy can kill - and tell us he's killed because he hates women - and the next day a newspaper can publish an article pretty much repeating killer's misogynistic blaming of a young woman.

How can we get to the state where you have to argue that this is not an OK thing to do?

I need a "head in hands" emoticon.

rootypig Mon 26-May-14 22:25:22
AnyFucker Mon 26-May-14 22:26:40

Was this 22 yo adult male bullied ? I understand he was denied sex with beautiful young girls. Is that what constitutes "bullying" in ManPleasing World ?

rootypig Mon 26-May-14 22:29:41

Hi cat smile

I need a [bangs head off tiled wall] emoticon
Seems turkeys really do vote for Christmas

Nancy66 Mon 26-May-14 22:30:06

he claims he was bullied at school but his complaints as an adult mostly seem to be about beautiful women not wanting to have sex with him.

MmeLindor Mon 26-May-14 22:33:41

As to feeling sorry for him - I feel sorry for the 6 people who were murdered.

I feel sorry for the young, troubled boy who was influenced by the poisonous culture of misogyny, and encouraged in his delusions of victimhood.

Not for the man who killed innocent people who were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

AnyFucker Mon 26-May-14 22:33:58

that's what I thought, nancy

so why are people whining about bullying on this thread ?

Nancy66 Mon 26-May-14 22:35:03

NYT have published his manifesto in its entirety for anyone who is interested

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/05/25/us/shooting-document.html

Nancy66 Mon 26-May-14 22:36:21

Anyfucker - there was an earlier poster (now deleted) who posted about her own son being bullied by girls and the impact it had on him. Think that's what triggered other posts.

rootypig Mon 26-May-14 22:37:42

Post is still there, at 17:13

AskBasil Mon 26-May-14 22:38:04

I've e-mailed the PCC

AnyFucker Mon 26-May-14 22:38:37

Yes, that is very sad. I presume that poster's son didn't go and murder 6 people ?

Irrelevant attempts to mitigate.

rootypig Mon 26-May-14 22:39:57

One of the posts, I should say

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