How to dismiss a feminist argument

(77 Posts)
HollyMiamiFLA Wed 29-Jan-14 14:25:19

Based on experiences in Chat and AIBU

"In the scheme of things, it doesn't really matter"

"You analyse things too much"

"It's the way it's always been"

"Stop trying to be politically correct"

Any other techniques people have come across?

LineRunner Thu 30-Jan-14 00:16:08

<overthinks the cat shit>

"In the scheme of things, cat shit doesn't really matter"

"You analyse cat shit too much"

" Cat shit is the way it's always been"

"Stop trying to be politically correct" confused

'I can't believe you're wasting time discussing cat shit when [awful thing] is happening'

'Check your privilege' confused

'But in the real world... cat shit'

' Cat shit is just nature'

' Cat shit and men are wired differently'

What about cat shit...?

You wouldn't say that if it was a man doing cat shit

I believe in liberty and free choice for cat shit

You can't just go around banning cat shit

I care more about cat shit than you, because at least I credit it with agency

I just personally do cat shit

But false accusations of cat shit

Cat shit is cleaner!

Yeah actually, most of these phrases can all be used to dismiss arguments about cat shit.

grin

curlew Thu 30-Jan-14 09:08:07

"How can you talk about cat shit when there's aardvark shit in the world?"

wordfactory Thu 30-Jan-14 09:11:17

'It's gone too far the other way.'

'Feminists have made a bad name for themselves'

'I'm an equalist.'

You can't expect cat shit men to listen to you if you sound to aggressive and angry

*to = so

Chopsypie Thu 30-Jan-14 09:30:43

(First post in FWR here! Inspired but the do you lurk thread!)

Worst I've heard when arguing about sexual assault (with a random in a pub, stupid I know) was that I was a 'typical over emotional woman' and I was 'over dramatising a bit of fun'. This was because I pulled him up on a rape joke.

I hate my arguments being dismissed on the grounds I'm emotionally involved. As a survivor/victim of sexual assault, of course I'm emotionally involved in the issue. That doesn't stop me being right!

Of course Chops the classic 'it was just a joke sheesh' dismissal.

DoctorTwo Thu 30-Jan-14 10:03:09

I don't watch CBB but have been following the thread and he has apparently said 'if she was my daughter, I'd still be bathing her', in relation to a 20-something 'glamour' model, regularly tells her to 'come to Daddy', and asks her for blow jobs.

Wow, Waiting, that's fucking disgusting! shock

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Thu 30-Jan-14 10:23:06

Chopsypie, stop over-dramatising a bit of cat shit wink

On a more serious note, someone ages ago linked to this, from the Shakesville blog:

There are the occasions that men—intellectual men, clever men, engaged men—insist on playing devil's advocate, desirous of a debate on some aspect of feminist theory or reproductive rights or some other subject generally filed under the heading: Women's Issues. These intellectual, clever, engaged men want to endlessly probe my argument for weaknesses, want to wrestle over details, want to argue just for fun—and they wonder, these intellectual, clever, engaged men, why my voice keeps raising and why my face is flushed and why, after an hour of fighting my corner, hot tears burn the corners of my eyes. Why do you have to take this stuff so personally? ask the intellectual, clever, and engaged men, who have never considered that the content of the abstract exercise that's so much fun for them is the stuff of my life.

Now, your rape joke chap in the pub is unlikely to be one of those intellectual, clever men - but I think it's a similar principle. It is not ok to joke about rape or sexual assault in front of women (who are the victims 90% of the time) and then call them overdramatic when they object is not ok. They have at least a 1 in 4 chance they are talking to a victim.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Thu 30-Jan-14 10:30:14

On the rather distasteful subject of Jim Davidson, this is funny:

Daily Mash

IceBeing Thu 30-Jan-14 10:40:17

"But I had a baby and it didn't affect MY career."

"there are women in job X so it can't be unfair/biased/discriminatory"

my beloved brother, who genuinely is a well-meaning person, doesn't understand that the fact that there are laws that protect against discrimination doesn't mean that people don't experience it

his idealistic response is 'well that would be against the law so people wouldn't do it / so you could take it to a tribunal'

this also reflects his privilege (i've never encountered this, so it can't possibly happen), the fact that he is a nice person (i wouldn't behave like this / people i know wouldn't behave like this, so it can't possibly happen), as well as the fact that he doesn't have the imagination or insight to see the above

Chopsypie Thu 30-Jan-14 10:54:24

Sabrina, that's exactly what I mean! I don't think I could of worded it quite so well myself though.

In the end I resorted to telling him he was an idiot and I refused to lower myself by talking him any more.

And cat shit is dramatic! I love a good cat shit bun fight

IceBeing Thu 30-Jan-14 10:54:59

My DH refuses to believe that people still gay bash....this is because he never understood why anyone would have a problem / care about anyone elses sexuality...so you know brownie point for that...but how can you not understand that other people still haven't gotten their heads round this stuff?

Grennie Thu 30-Jan-14 11:00:13

Women in Afhanistan have it so much worse, why are you complaing about petty things.

curlew Thu 30-Jan-14 11:23:21

"I am Richard Dawkins............."

whatdoesittake48 Thu 30-Jan-14 12:18:52

"have you got your period?"

"Yeah, but I/most people are not like that..."

"its not my fight"

"You are blaming half the population for something just a few men do"

Guilty!
And I don't give a shit (cat or otherwise)
You can be a feminist without agreeing with every single thing every other feminist thinks is important.

I think some of the stuff spouted in the name of feminism is petty, politically correct, left wing twatery!

curlew Thu 30-Jan-14 12:37:56

"I think some of the stuff spouted in the name of feminism is petty, politically correct, left wing twatery!"

A few examples would be good.........

All this PC bullshit like women should be considered by the media to be equal to men, rather than decorative objects with attractive protuberances, for instance? That sort of petty left wing twattery?

curlew Thu 30-Jan-14 16:51:11

Still waiting for examples.............

Oh go root about in the mud for some worms.

Muddy worms? Is that a metaphor for the quality of examples you have to offer grin

rosabud Thu 30-Jan-14 22:30:16

Why are you getting so hysterical and emotional over this?

WHAT DO YOU MEAN SOME MEN ARE RAPISTS/VIOLENT?? HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE US ALL OF THIS, IT'S TERRRIBLE AND OUTRAGEOUS AND VERY SERIOUS!!!!!

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