How to dismiss a feminist argument

(77 Posts)
HollyMiamiFLA Wed 29-Jan-14 14:25:19

Based on experiences in Chat and AIBU

"In the scheme of things, it doesn't really matter"

"You analyse things too much"

"It's the way it's always been"

"Stop trying to be politically correct"

Any other techniques people have come across?

'I can't believe you're wasting time discussing this when [awful thing] is happening'

'Check your privilege'

'But in the real world ...'

'It's just nature'

'Women and men are wired differently'

Not all from Chat/AIBU I guess, the 'check your privilege' is more something I've heard elsewhere but it boils down to the same thing.

ArtetasSwollenAnkle Wed 29-Jan-14 14:30:54

What about...?

You wouldn't say that if it was a man doing / being…

I believe in liberty and free choice

You can't just go around banning everything you don't like

I care more about women than you, because at least I credit them with agency

Waitingforflo Wed 29-Jan-14 15:24:55

There's a thread in Telly Addicts on Celebrity Big Brother and I cannot believe some of the posts there. With regard to Jim Davidson in particular, someone actually said 'it's a joke, take it or leave it.'

I don't watch CBB but have been following the thread and he has apparently said 'if she was my daughter, I'd still be bathing her', in relation to a 20-something 'glamour' model, regularly tells her to 'come to Daddy', and asks her for blow jobs.

There are posters falling over themselves to say what a lovely bloke he is, how he has worked so hard to turn round public opinion to see 'the truth' after Operation Yewtree, and how heartwarming it was to see said model's mum thank him for looking after her 'little girl.'

There are some posters pointing out the other side, but the comments made by some are just indicative of this whole 'what's your problem?' attitude that is on more and more of MN these days sad.

TunipTheUnconquerable Wed 29-Jan-14 15:26:19

You're giving feminism a bad name. The Suffragettes would be turning in their graves.

Yeuch. That sounds horrible, waiting.

Closely related to the 'bad name': 'I support feminism but you're taking it too far.'

TunipTheUnconquerable Wed 29-Jan-14 15:35:53

What you're saying is the opposite of feminism because true feminism is about choice.

'you are overthinking this'

2beornot Wed 29-Jan-14 15:40:45

"I am a feminist but........." Reminds me of "I'm not racist but..........."

'Women are their own worst enemies. Men are never bitchy like this.'

Freyalright Wed 29-Jan-14 15:43:02

People believing that if you consider yourself a feminist. Then you all have one voice. They will then try and pin contradictory 'feminist' view points on you. Trying to pass them off as your views and therefore make you out to be a walking contradiction. You see this method at lot when arguing about politics or religion.

CaptainGrinch Wed 29-Jan-14 17:16:52

If those quotes above had been given in context they might have some meaning, but as they stand they could refer to any topic (Cat Shit for example) - it's just an example of lazy selective cutting & pasting.

I don't think anyone is actually quoting! grin

itsbetterthanabox Wed 29-Jan-14 17:44:59

'I just personally do'
'But false accusations'
'Its cleaner!'

JoinYourPlayfellows Wed 29-Jan-14 17:47:40

Feminism is all about choice, surely?

nickymanchester Wed 29-Jan-14 17:59:21

''Have you got any evidence to support that view?''

To which the answer is, almost invariably, no.

BOFtastic Wed 29-Jan-14 18:05:08

You're just jealous.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Wed 29-Jan-14 18:05:31

The suffragettes would be turning in their graves could refer to cat shit ? grin

curlew Wed 29-Jan-14 18:05:54

"You're overthinking it"

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Wed 29-Jan-14 18:07:48

"You all sound like man-haters."

Waitingforflo - that Jim Davidson thing is vile.

oh yes, feminism is about choice
Feminists want to ban everything
How dare you debate this from a feminist angle when it's so much more serious than that. Because feminism is a nice to have when alls well in the world

Oh - and the companion piece to 'have you got any evidence' is to claim that citing evidence is elitist and academic, and that the boffins who come up with this research must be wrong.

Funny how it's always nonsense and flying in the face of common sense when the research is about something like women not being inferior to men.

KerryKatonasKhakis Wed 29-Jan-14 18:45:47

'Well no one I know has suffered sexism/ harrassment/ rape etc'. Hmm, yeah right.

'But I like cooking and baking, my husband likes fixing the car so I don't need feminism'.

Generally anyone who is happy with their lot so cannot possibly see that it might not be that way for others.

And any arsehole who 'just wants to play devil's advocate'. Please don't do that.

Waitingforflo Wed 29-Jan-14 19:06:03

It is Sabrina, it is sad.

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