Is porn a 'grocery' like bread, or should lads' mags not be sold in supermarkets?

(24 Posts)
SkivvySkiving Fri 11-Oct-13 14:31:02
SkivvySkiving Sat 12-Oct-13 07:48:06

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junobaby74 Sat 12-Oct-13 14:12:11

Just read the Kat Barnyard guest blog. Liked your reply at the end of the comments to SGB op, do you think she'll reply? I didn't get all the comments about women's magazines being more harmful tbh. I'm not too keen on women's mags either but felt that this was just obscuring the main issue that of men's mags being harmful. And to answer your question no I do not think men's porn, sorry, lifestyle magazines should be sold in supermarkets.

BasilBabyEater Sat 12-Oct-13 14:59:09

Well yes it is.

Women's bodies are commodities just like groceries.

Selling porn along with the milk and bread, normalises that situation and ensures that we don't question it or feel shock about it.

coldwinter Sat 12-Oct-13 20:34:15

Yes porn aka lads mags should not be available anywhere. And no, not in supermarkets

SkivvySkiving Sun 13-Oct-13 23:55:29

thanks juno I don't reckon SGB will reply - it seemed like one of those 'steam in- finger-point- splurge- purge- retreat' kind of posts, not an invitation to engage smile

SagaciousOne Tue 22-Oct-13 14:39:56

So we should ban Heat with its 'Torso of the Week' and Cosmo, Marie Claire and anything that may objectify men within its pages (Not to mention their objectification of womens bodies is far more sinister than anything lads mags do).....

YouMakeMeWannaLaLa Tue 22-Oct-13 15:15:42

So. Fucking. Bored of that same old bloody argument.

Do you seriously, seriously think no one has ever considered those points?

Good fucking job you are here...you can tell us how to do it right.

<Angry and so tired off all this bullshit today>

SagaciousOne Wed 23-Oct-13 20:12:24

"So. Fucking. Bored of that same old bloody argument.

Do you seriously, seriously think no one has ever considered those points?

Good fucking job you are here...you can tell us how to do it right.

<Angry and so tired off all this bullshit today"

Ok so you say you've heard all these points before and considered them, why not address them then?

I'm genuinely interested on your take on these points.

Either you don't feel they are valid in which case I'd respectfully ask you why

Or can you explain why you are not campaigning against all of these publications equally and are targeting only the male offending magazines in what could be seen as hypocrisy at best and outright misandry at worst.

YouMakeMeWannaLaLa Wed 23-Oct-13 22:16:57

DO SOME READING (threads on here/ blogs/ google).

I'm not your tutor, here to walk you through logical answers to every one of your unoriginal, bullshit accusations.

FloraFoxForAnyFucker Wed 23-Oct-13 23:31:11

Or we've done your very non fucking novel point to death

SagaciousOne Thu 24-Oct-13 19:30:50

Wow didn't expect such venom.

I'm sad you can't defend your points and seem to be merely repeating received stereotypes.

It's a bit like having a conversation with a racist. Its that level of debate.

Oh well...

BuffytheAnyAppleFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 19:57:19
YouMakeMeWannaLaLa Thu 24-Oct-13 20:03:46

grin

zippey Thu 24-Oct-13 20:27:55

I dont get the grocery analogy, but no of course we should not ban the lads mags. They serve a sizeable section of society who want to read that type of magazine. Just as there are those who read magazines containing crosswords, celeb gossip, porn, cameras, computers and Peppa Pig! Just because you dont like books and magazines which abide by the law doesnt mean you have a right to dictate to others. Are you comfortable about banning The Satanic Verses or 40 shades as well?

I do agree with putting a cover on them though and assigning them to the top shelf. But we might as well live in a third world country if we start banning things we dont agree with.

FloraFoxForAnyFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 20:44:27

Yes it's a bit like a racist lumbering onto a discussion by black people and demanding to be educated about all this racism business.

BuffytheAnyAppleFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 20:49:20

If they are banned, they will no longer abide by the law. Argument. Circular?

And chuh, I know? Things we don't agree with being against the law would be awful, wouldn't it. I think burglary is a brilliant ide... Oh, hang on.

ChunkyPickle Thu 24-Oct-13 20:56:17

Just because a sizable section of the population want to do something, doesn't mean that they should be able to do it - if it did, then owning hand guns, driving while intoxicated, and marijuana would all be legal, yet society has decided that the harm they cause is greater than a person's right to be able to own/do/use these things.

Porn is harmful to children, women and by extension therefore, men. The kind of pictures and attitudes glamourised in lads mags are abhorrent - I don't want my sons thinking that that is a normal way to act towards and around women.

We'll add discussion of the evils of gossip and women's mags to the end of the agenda, the current topic is lads mags - as with anything discussion, it will be most productive if we stick to each topic in its turn rather than dancing from one to the next (thus bypassing the original topic.. something that curiously seems to always happen when we start questioning mens rights....)

zippey Thu 24-Oct-13 20:58:54

Burglary isnt a great example because it directly hurts its victims. Lads mags do not. Maybe indirecty or psychologically. I dont think they are good, but I dont think they are inherintly bad either.

BuffytheAnyAppleFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 21:04:40

Why is hurting someone indirectly or psychologically not as bad as hurting them directly? It couldn't possibly seem that way because the right to private property has been enshrined for centuries upon centuries and women's rights as full humans, well... Haven't?

DadWasHere Fri 25-Oct-13 00:52:24

No, they should not be sold there, along with a lot of other trashy mags that blend sexuality with celebrity schlock more commonly bought by women, although men will spy those at the checkout as well when they have sex on the front cover.... my body after baby... celebrity beach bodies and the ilk. Men tend not buy them because they don't want to be caught buying what they regard as a woman's magazine but they have a good look while they have the chance.

BuffytheAnyAppleFucker Fri 25-Oct-13 10:59:14

Why don't men want to be caught buying what they regard as a woman's magazine?

zippey Fri 25-Oct-13 11:48:39

Dadwashere - interesting. I dont buy the celeb magazines because they are nasty to people, and trashy. I might spy a look at certain times (eg at doctors surgery) but they generally do not interest me and I wouldnt be afraid of buying an interesting womans magazine.

I dont think they should be banned though, and I dont think lads mags should either.

Let people buy what they want to buy. And cover them up if covers are borderline pornographic. The minority shouldnt be able to dictate to the majority. In fact, as long as things are above the law, no one should be dictating to anybody!

BuffytheAnyAppleFucker Fri 25-Oct-13 11:53:49

But where do you think laws come from in the first place?

I never get this, when people are arguing for keeping something that they like and others think is harmful. At some point, stuff that was legal became illegal, because some people thought it should and were sufficiently persuasive to have the law changed.

Drink driving. Smoking in public places. Two recent examples.

It's like you see The Law as this neutral, immutable constant. It's not, it's a social construction.

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