Sex: My British Job. Channel 4

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YouMakeMeWannaLaLa Mon 23-Sep-13 23:23:54

Anybody see this? It was just horrific. I really, really hope it reached the right audience: punters and their defenders. I doubt it, but I hope so sad

GoshAnneGorilla Wed 30-Oct-13 04:45:04

This is where the "sex work is just work" argument falls down.

If I am in any other service industry, serving a customer I don't want to means giving them food, pouring them a drink, putting through their purchases on the till.

In the sex industry, serving a client I don't want to means I am being raped.

Beachcomber Wed 30-Oct-13 08:30:24

Well I skim read a couple of wino's long posts and apart from picking up a suggestion that I am dim and have a racist attitude because I see the institution of prostitution as a global issue, couldn't see anything that hasn't been said infinitum by this poster already.

Posts still reek of a sense of superiority and a certainty that a man knows best about, well, everything really. Who can be arsed frankly?

BTW many of the prostituted people I meet in the drop in centre are indoor I don't know where wino got the idea that they are not - a lot of women come because we offer condoms, clean needles and STD services. They also come for pregnancy testing, abortion advice and counselling. The point of the centre is not to "save" anyone hmm . It is to mop up the consequences of prostitution. Because someone has to angry

Beachcomber Wed 30-Oct-13 14:02:36

www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-28/young-pacific-island-girls-working-as-prostitutes-in-nz/4986524

Pacific Island girls as young as 13 are working as prostitutes on the streets of South Auckland, according to a member of Parliament in New Zealand.

New Zealand First Party MP Le'aufa'amulia Asenati Lole Taylor has told Radio Australia's Pacific Beat the problem is that many Pacific Island girls are finding the sex trade more lucrative than school or a regular job.

"A13 year old was telling me she was earning between $600-$800 dollars a night," Ms Taylor said.

"She was also very proud to say that if she was able to earn $600 a night, she only had to work a few days, she doesn't have to work the whole week."

"Some of these girls who are doing it have actually run away from home and they don't have the fear of worrying about what their families might say or what the consequences would be when they go back home," she said.

Ms Taylor says it's too hard to do something about these young girls working as prostitutes unless amendments are made to the current laws on prostitution.

winowino Thu 31-Oct-13 01:33:24

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WhentheRed Thu 31-Oct-13 05:16:49

What the fuller table (table 13.2 p220 of the book)shows is that 92% of prostitutes said they had employment rights

That comment alone shows the sheer, blatant lies peddled by the prostitution industry. The PRA confers zero levels of employment rights on women in prostitution. The fact that 92% of the women interviewed by the NZPC believe they have employment rights shows the dishonesty of what they are being told by the NZPC.

Your review committee report shows that:

Up to 25% of women are not using condoms all the time.
35.8% of women had "felt they had to accept a client when they didn't want to" in the 12 month period before the survey.
10.5% of the women who answered the survey had turned down a client and been punished for it.

The report also stated that no government funding was provided for health and safety inspections of brothels; the ministry directed staff not to be proactive; government inspectors felt ill-equipped to carry out inspections because no-one knew what the baselines were; and no-one knows where the brothels are to carry out inspections. In other words, no government oversight. Just as the prostitution industry and its rape apologist supporters want.

winowino Thu 31-Oct-13 09:09:34

A smaller (but different) selection of the contents of the book are available from Amazon "look inside"(Abel et al Taking the Crime Out of Sex Work: New Zealand Sex Workers' Fight for Decriminalisation)

I suggest that rather than just read When's spiel you actually read the abstracts-some quite good on the feminist debates and perhaps make up your own minds-ah but your minds are already made up-sorry I forgot

winowino Thu 31-Oct-13 09:13:48

Beachcomber (post Wed 30-Oct-13 14:02:36 ).
The First party always opposed the PRA and the MP you cite should already know that the PRA prohibits underage sex workers (it has always been prohibited in NZ) so I don't know what amendments to the PRA she has in mind

YouMakeMeWannaLaLa Thu 31-Oct-13 12:42:54

perhaps make up your own minds-ah but your minds are already made up-sorry I forgot

Pots...kettles...

Beachcomber Thu 31-Oct-13 13:44:55

Yes the the law in NZ prohibits the prostitution of minors but it does not require punters to obtain proof of age.

"But she looked 18, Guv" suffices.

The law also allows mini brothels (Soobs) to operate in residential areas with no need for a permit.

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10783338

FloraFox Thu 31-Oct-13 18:02:57

wino more misinformation produced by pro-pimp lobbyists to bolster punters' delusions.

minnehaha Wed 06-Nov-13 07:10:07

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/01/sex-workers-hands-off-my-whore-france-prostitutes

Beachcomber Wed 06-Nov-13 09:15:40

I find that article confusing. The author seems to want to complain about changes in France by using examples from the UK to make her point.

As usual, I find the argument that attempts to curb prostitution make it dangerous for prostituted women, only reinforce that prostitution is inherently dangerous .

The "hands off my whore" lot sound like a charming bunch. hmm

I agree that tackling female poverty and job opportunities need to be part of any real attempt to tackle prostitution - yet another notion that reinforces feminist arguments about prostitution (poverty, lack of opportunity, need to provide for children, gendered work market and conditions, etc).

It speaks volumes that the lobbies who argue for women's "right" to sell sex never seem to argue for women's right to fair working conditions in general and for affordable childcare hmm

They aren't interested in women's rights, they are interested in male entitlement (and using a statement like " hands off my whore" is akin to waving a big red flag with misogynistsRus painted on it).

Beachcomber Wed 06-Nov-13 10:52:54

How hideous.

I see they have co-opted French feminists' abortion rights history in order to make their point about privileged men wanting a sex class kept available for them to stick their dicks in.

That is sick.

"Everyone should be free to sell their charms" my arse.

What a load of privileged misogynistic wank. Rich men arguing for women to be free to sell their charms. How transparent can you get...

GoshAnneGorilla Mon 11-Nov-13 00:00:06

Bumping this to post this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24890952

More trafficking to meet the "demand" for prostitutes.

minnehaha Thu 14-Nov-13 21:15:37

Yet more "anti" propaganda bullshit......

GoshAnneGorilla Thu 14-Nov-13 21:44:20

Care to actually counter it minnehaha, or have you just come to throw abuse as usual?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Thu 14-Nov-13 21:50:01

Do you deny that demand drives prostitution Minne? Or do you go around ensnaring unsuspecting males with your offer of sexual services?

GoshAnneGorilla Thu 14-Nov-13 22:40:30

It's interesting. The red umbrella crew and their fellow shills are always saying "sex work is work".

Yet they don't want the sex industry to have any sort of actual labour analysis, as it would clearly show what an exploitative industry prostitution is, with the consumers (the always invisible men) being the ones with all the power, just as purchasers within an industry generally are.

WhentheRed Thu 14-Nov-13 23:14:42

Absolutely right GoshAnneGorilla.

One other aspect that concerns me about decriminalisation is that wrt all the women who work from home. They will need insurance and will potentially be liable to punters for injuries the punter sustains while in the premises (just like if you slip in a supermarket or a pub).

UnexceptionalUserName Thu 20-Mar-14 01:42:16

Wow, there is a phenomenal amount of censorship on this thread.

StickEmUpSideWays Thu 20-Mar-14 07:22:35

I like censorship of certain things.

Too broad a statement mate.

What, we shouldn't censor some things? Ugh

JuliaKlej Tue 27-May-14 03:16:35

The Elliot Rodger homicides in California, carried out by a 22-year-old virgin, show how deeply young men feel sex-starvation: the fact that it can drive them not only to suicide but to mass murder. In his videos the boy in question also seems to show a sense of entitlement and to take personally the fact that some women go out with ‘slobs’ and ‘gorillas’. The sad irony about this case is that he seemed intelligent enough to take social skills training on board, if only it had been offered.

22honey Tue 27-May-14 13:08:43

TBF I worked in several different brothels and none of the owners were like the woman in this programme. She was like that because she could get away with it as her staff were illegal immigrants that totally relied on her and her brothel.

I am against the industry but still, legit british brothels are nothing like this at all, the staff are always on your side and wouldnt dream of treating you like this woman. I sat there open mouthed and I worked in this industry for 3 years. The treatment of staff was because of their illegal status and vulnerability and nothing to do with the sex industry imo.

vosuji Tue 27-May-14 19:56:40

www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/granny-escort-meet-85-year-old-who-3609430

85 year old escort who charges £250 an hour.

vosuji Tue 27-May-14 19:58:29

JuliaKlej and what does that case have to do with sexwork??

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