99% of prostituted women are trafficked

(37 Posts)
foodmoneywirk Fri 23-Aug-13 10:59:12

www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/people-who-trivialise-prostitution-ignorant-of-reality-240647.html

Shocking. The situation is even worst than originally thought. sad

Sweden reduced prostitution by a whopping 70% so why doesn't the world follow Sweden's lead and just charge the johns with rape and rescue the women?

MoonlightPicnic Fri 23-Aug-13 11:58:42

“People should realise 99% of these women have been abused and trafficked into this country. They come from very deprived circumstances"

As big as example of bad science as I've heard. I do hope Mr Collins has robust figures to back that up.

JuliaScurr Fri 23-Aug-13 12:07:09

Moonlight have you ever challenged figures on young Black men and stop and search or disabled people dying after benefits are stopped?
Thought not

ReallyTired Fri 23-Aug-13 12:14:28

I suppose its possible that 99% of prostitutes have been abused, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they have been trafficked from abroad. There are plenty British prostitutes who have been abused. Often young girls in care are targetted, just like happened in Rochdale or Oxford.

In fact every man who has sex with a 14 year old for money is committing child abuse. We need to punish these men a lot harder than we currently do.

MoonlightPicnic Fri 23-Aug-13 13:43:12

"Moonlight have you ever challenged figures on young Black men and stop and search or disabled people dying after benefits are stopped?
Thought not"

Yes I have, this government treat those they perceive as being weaker then themselves as scum and/or potential scapegoats. I hate their welfare policies with a passion. Political or no we should always question especially when outlandish statistics go public.

Of course those that use children under 16 are child abusers, but in the case of those girls exploited by pimps I really believe that they should get hammered as much as the "Johns" if not more.

ReallyTired Fri 23-Aug-13 15:47:13

"Of course those that use children under 16 are child abusers, but in the case of those girls exploited by pimps I really believe that they should get hammered as much as the "Johns" if not more."

If the "johns" were not prepare to pay for sex then there would be no pimps. I agree with you that the pimps need to be punished as hard the customers. The girls themselves (and families!) need to be protected by the police so that they feel safe to tell the police who the pimps are. It is wrong to criminalise prostitutes who may well be cohersed.

scallopsrgreat Fri 23-Aug-13 17:50:53

So you acknowledge that the girls are exploited but then say that they should be 'hammered' as much as the johns confused Talk about victim blaming. Harsh and grossly unfair.

SinisterSal Fri 23-Aug-13 18:15:47

That's daft. Is it a typo?

FloraFox Fri 23-Aug-13 18:26:01

It says "abused and trafficked". There's no point in getting into an and/or argument over a politician' statement. I think it's fair to assume he meant it in the "and/or" sense.

MoonlightPicnic Fri 23-Aug-13 18:43:40

Sorry all my grammar is rubbish. I meant that the johns and pimps get hammered ,and certainly not the girls. Apologies for the confusion.

NiceTabard Fri 23-Aug-13 18:48:48

He is giving his opinion, as a politician, about how he feels. I think his 99% is supposed to be taken in the manner it was quite obviously - to me - intended - to mean "a vast majority". He is saying he is shocked by the young ages of the girls, and that people who dismiss concerns by saying it's the oldest profession in the world need to bear in mind factors such as history of abuse, current abuse, coercion, being young and vulnerable and so on. He is not saying he has carried out an extensive scientific study and these are his findings, nor is he saying he has spent a period of time combining peer assessed scientific studies and now he is presenting the results. He is a normal person using standard vernacular to emphasise his point.

If it makes people understand better, try replacing the "99%" with "most" or "many" or "lots" or some other term like that.

SinisterSal Fri 23-Aug-13 19:34:51

I am sooo looking forward to 300 posts on the semantics and context of the words 'many', 'either' and 'or'.

NiceTabard Fri 23-Aug-13 19:58:17

Me too grin

minnehaha Fri 23-Aug-13 22:24:10

Another load of bollocks will no doubt ensue whilst you ignore/refute the voice of those women who actually WORK IN THE INDUSTRY!!

WhentheRed Fri 23-Aug-13 22:45:19

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SinisterSal Fri 23-Aug-13 22:53:05

Lets eat the cake ourselves and offer them sfa

foodworknews Mon 02-Sep-13 01:58:50

bump

Sausageeggbacon Mon 02-Sep-13 09:50:54

Maybe someone should mention the thousands of pounds pumped into the met for the olympics and the number of trafficked victims found then.

rosabud Mon 02-Sep-13 09:59:28

Yes and don't forget that men can be prostitutes too.

And remember that if you are not an actual prostitute then you a) don't know what you are talking about and b) have no right to comment - except, obviously, this logic does not relate to any men who wish to comment on female prostitution or, for that matter, anything to do with women.

GoshAnneGorilla Mon 02-Sep-13 23:21:32

<hands out bingo cards>

foodworknews Tue 03-Sep-13 09:27:44

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Boosterseat Tue 03-Sep-13 11:15:02

Foodworknews - You are a feminist hmm really?

Or do you just "bump" old prostitution threads? Try Punternet. Might be just up your street........

KaseyM Tue 03-Sep-13 11:45:39

Foodworknews. That's an inaccurate representation of the vast majority of prostitution and you know it.

You also probably know that most feminists have nothing against women who genuinely choose but are concerned for those who have little or no choice.

Even your scenario of escort vs loo cleaner is lacking in real equal choice. Feminists (in my mind) would rather that woman had genuine access to education, better work prospects, decent wages, and working conditions.

Pimps prey on women and girls who have little economic prospects and / or personal problems of self-esteem/abuse/addiction. They know that lack of alternative options and a feeling of vulnerability is a huge factor in entering prostitution. Why don't you?

GoshAnneGorilla Tue 03-Sep-13 12:02:31

What's wrong with cleaning loos? It's necessary and valuable work that forfills an important need and it is a disgrace that those doing it are not properly remunerated.

Having sex with men is not necessary work - men do not "need" sex.

Also I would rather clean toilets for the rest of my life, then have to have sex with someone I didn't want to and I suspect I'm not alone in this.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that some things are more valuable then money?

Also, why if sex work is so fun and everyone wants to do it, do you trolls get so cross about any women who oppose it? Why act so threatened?

Thistledew Tue 03-Sep-13 12:11:25

The term 'trafficking' does not just mean being moved across borders. It can mean being moved within a country or held against your will for the purposes of sexual exploration. I would be very surprised if it is not a very small percentage of prostituted women who have never experienced this at some point.

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