A Judge Labels a 13 year old girl as a "sexual predator" after SHE was sexually assaulted

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LeStewpot Tue 06-Aug-13 12:18:36

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LurcioLovesFrankie Sat 10-Aug-13 19:53:46

OK, Dowager, simple question requiring a yes/no answer: Do you believe it is possible for a 13 year old to behave in a sexually predatory way with respect to an adult over the age of 18?

BIWI Sat 10-Aug-13 20:14:49

Lurcio - sadly, I think she does. But that's actually not the point. Even if a girl of 13 does behave in this way, that's no reason for a 41 year old man to abuse her.

Something which dowager seems unable to comprehend, despite having a 13 year old daughter herself.

More worryingly, if a girl of 13 is behaving in a sexually predatory way, perhaps this should be a cause for concern? Perhaps we should, as a civilised society, be asking ourselves just how this has come to be? How come a child is capable of behaving like this? Even more reason to show some concern and compassion, as opposed to damning her behaviour and citing that as mitigation for the abuse by the 41 year old man.

LurcioLovesFrankie Sat 10-Aug-13 20:35:44

Well, precisely, BIWI - I presume from everything she's said so far that her answer is yes. Mine is no. And I totally agree with you - (a) if a 13 year old acts in a sexualised manner, it's because she's acting out in reaction to having already been abused and (b) even if she does act out, it's no excuse for a 41 year old to behave in this way.

Because you and I are coming from the position that the answer to my question is unequivocally 'no', the precise details of the case are not necessary to condemn the judge and the crown prosecutor's remarks.

SinisterSal Sat 10-Aug-13 20:40:03

Look at this way Dowager -

If he was a barman and we served her vodka he'd lose his license, no matter how much she claimed she loved vodka, could hold her drink, had been drunk loads of times before etc. He, as the adult with responsibility would be deemed to be at fault and would be punished. She, as the child acting in an age inappropriate manner and liable to find herself damaged, would be helped.

Does that make it any bit clearer?

Caster8 Sat 10-Aug-13 20:54:49

Sort of realised from this thread that there are different sorts of rapists. The husband or partner sort. The oppurtunist sort. The, try it on when drunk or at a party type. And a type that I hadnt really much thought about before, the pre meditated grooming type. All rapists of course.

AnyaKnowIt Sat 10-Aug-13 21:49:54

SinisterSal, if that barman tried to use the excuse that he thought she was oder he would be told that ignorance isn't a defence. shame the same doesn't apply to sex offences

Bunnylion Sun 11-Aug-13 11:38:08

I can't believe this is actually a discussion in 2013 today's news

TheSilverySoothsayer Sun 11-Aug-13 12:15:12

Even if she shows the behaviour of a sexual predator, Dowager, that just shows that she is a damaged child.

Of course, the perpetrator may be a damaged person as well. In that case, there may be a case for mitigation. If so, evidence for mitigation should be evidence about the perpetrator, not the victim.

TheDoctrineOfAllan Sun 11-Aug-13 14:19:49

I saw that, Bunny, horrible opinions from Eddie Shah.

edam Sun 11-Aug-13 16:55:38

No grown man would let a 13 yo drive their car. Even if they did look a bit older. The man would check. He wouldn't let a 16 yo drive his car, either.

There is no excuse for shagging someone under-age unless you are the same age or just slightly older.

AnyFucker Sun 11-Aug-13 17:03:03

Eddie Shah should be in prison.

Darkesteyes Sun 11-Aug-13 17:09:46

YY AF I was listening to 5 Live last night after i saw ppl discussing it in my TL

Someone came up with a suggestion that there should be an option to have a verdict of not proven rather than not guilty in some of these cases.

duchesse Sun 11-Aug-13 17:52:41

There is no excuse for shagging someone under-age unless you are the same age or just slightly older <-- This

Believing or stating anything different is to my mind just paedophilia apologism.

edam Sun 11-Aug-13 18:57:56

Well, his attitude does make you wonder if he was lucky that the verdict went his way...

AnyOldFucker Sun 11-Aug-13 18:59:22

Of course

He should be in prison now, in fear for his tender arsehole

There is no justice in this world sometimes, rough or otherwise

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