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Feminism: Sex & gender discussions

Jackie Hunt - first female chief of Prudential's UK arm...

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Want2bSupermum · 26/04/2013 19:41

Wasn't sure where to post but I saw this article when reading up on my business news.

From the article it sounds like she is very accomplished. Round of applause from me at least!

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MiniTheMinx · 26/04/2013 20:34

"Ms Hunt joins on a remuneration package worth up to £3m a year, including a £625,000 basic salary, a bonus worth up to 160pc of salary and long-term shares worth 225pc of salary"

Not clapping, she doesn't need me to congratulate her.

There are people eating from food banks, rising homelessness, people unable to live because of cuts of welfare, a drive to sanction mothers with children leaving them with nothing to pay their way, people with disabilities forced to work in the wrag group for pittance as slave labour and more women possibly living with violence because funding to woman's services has been shredded. No sorry, can't even raise a well done luv.

Want2bSupermum · 26/04/2013 20:49

Wow - who pissed on your cornflakes!

Read past her salary please.... she is 44 years old and CEO of Pru UK. I remember reading an article about her in Accouting age when she was at Standard Life. She has at least one child. There are very few women who make it to this level and even fewer of them are able to have a family as well as a career.

I found the article. Here it is. Why can't we celebrate someone who has broken through the glass ceiling?!?

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MiniTheMinx · 26/04/2013 23:50

I don't eat cornflakes.

Pru have been in trouble recently. They refused to hand over the documents to HMRC pertaining to tax avoidance schemes. From what I understand they sold these schemes and if there was anything wrong with the schemes and investors would be liable for tax, it would probably leave Pru with a problem of liability.

I hope she is doing something positive with her stupendous salary????? no ones labour is worth £3m a year when the average is £27,000

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 27/04/2013 09:38

Thanks Want2b. Whoever got that job would get that or a similar salary.

NiceTabard · 27/04/2013 21:26

I also think well done.
Women not taking roles in powerful positions on ideological grounds isn't going to get us very far is it.
Hopefully it will be positive generally for women working at the company, rather than being a "pull up the ladder" type scenario which seems to happen sometimes.

Greythorne · 27/04/2013 21:40

Mini

I think you are barking up quite the wrong tree ,expecting the wrongs and inequalities of the world to be righted by women alone.

One woman makes it to the top of her profession in a sea of men and all you can say is 'think about the people eating from food banks'?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 27/04/2013 22:16

NiceTabard, I've never understood what is meant by pulling up the ladder?

NiceTabard · 27/04/2013 22:56

So you go and escape / climb up / get away
And you pull up the ladder behind you so that no-one else can follow

A bit like I'm alright jack

MiniTheMinx · 27/04/2013 23:00

That's the bourgeois for you

She has parity with the men of her class at the expense of greater equality for all. I don't see that as remotely feminist. Sorry.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 27/04/2013 23:01

But that implies that there was some specific help or boost (eg assertiveness training, all female short lists for a job or something) and that when a woman reaches the top with that support, she cancels any such programmes.

Doesn't it?

NiceTabard · 27/04/2013 23:24

It's not at the expense of greater equality for all, though. If she had turned down the job and a man had got it instead, that wouldn't have resulted in greater equality for everyone.

Until we have some kind of revolution, surely it's better to have some people from minority groups in positions of power than not?

NiceTabard · 27/04/2013 23:25

No that's not how I meant it.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 27/04/2013 23:30

Ok, then how did you mean it? Not being snippy with you, sorry, but I've heard the metaphor before and never understood what real life actions it could apply to.

NiceTabard · 27/04/2013 23:41

I suppose it's about an idea how if someone succeeds / has good fortune / that sort of thing, that rather than helping others to get there as well, they turn their backs.

Of course there is no reason why a women should help other women when she has gained a position of power / influence and could change things, even subtly, but it would be nice to think that might happen.

FloraFox · 28/04/2013 09:14

I think it's great she's got this job.

NT I think I know what you you mean. I have encountered women in my work life who had a reputation for giving women a really hard time. Susan Faludi also talked about this in Backlash. I think it doesn't necessarily mean the women benefitted from any special measures themselves.

Want2bSupermum · 28/04/2013 17:49

Reading her bio I don't think she has had any special measures. She got the current job because she did well with Standard Life.

I expect she will have a similiar ethos to that held by the big 4 (before standard life she was with deloitte/pwc) and help other women up through the ranks.

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NiceTabard · 28/04/2013 18:23

Do those companies have an ethos of helping women up through the ranks?

I have not heard that before.

In fact wasn't it PWC who got in hot water over the telling women how to dress thing a few years back? Will have to google, I think it was them.

NiceTabard · 28/04/2013 18:25

No it was ernst & young! My memory is obviously not what it was...

NiceTabard · 28/04/2013 18:26

Would be cool if they did.

I work for a large multinational financial type company and they have a lot of talk about diversity and so on but the results are not there yet. Interestingly they have women's groups at work in some of the european countries but not UK. I was on a course with HR and wondered aloud why that was and the HR woman told me there was no need for that sort of thing in the UK

onedev · 28/04/2013 18:32

I think she's done fantastically well & definitely should be congratulated. Thanks for linking to this Op as I hadn't heard of her before now.

Want2bSupermum · 29/04/2013 01:48

Big 4 do have an ethos of helping women up, PwC more than the others IMO.

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