Really proud of my 17 year old daughter

(193 Posts)
NicholasTeakozy Mon 25-Mar-13 14:15:21

She posted a staus on Facebook which read:-

Seen a few status' tonight that have kind of annoyed me. I don't consider myself a feminist, but with issues like this I am. Why are women's bodies over-sexualised all the time? Why can men walk around with their tops off showing off their bodies but it isn't socially acceptable for a woman to do so? Why are women deemed "disgusting" or "sluts" if they do exactly what a man does? Why is there such a taboo on our bodies but men can prance about however the fuck they wish? Nah, fuck that. Ladies, do what you like with your body (within reason). Fuck all you patriarchal cunts.

Cue two of her male friends who argued that women who dress in skimpy clothing are more likely to be harassed and sexually assaulted hmm to which she replied it's the rapists' fault, not the women. Over the course of an hour she tore all their arguments apart and made them look stupid. She really brought a smile to my face and made me swell with pride to see such passion and anger in one so young.

FucktidiaBollockberry Wed 27-Mar-13 22:54:42

I changed it in honour of your DD NT.

grin

Pan Wed 27-Mar-13 23:13:24

Big up your dd obv, NT, but are you sure you can't see life from any perspective other than that of male privilege? It's quite something to ponder.
It does sort of imply that no man can be a feminist, and suggests a lack in a 'leap in imagination'. i.e 'I can't see beyond my own bounds' which surely challenges you?

SatsukiKusukabe Wed 27-Mar-13 23:28:18

you can see beyond your male privilege, always? How do you know?

SatsukiKusukabe Wed 27-Mar-13 23:30:06

I benefit from white privilege, I see how sometimes but occasionally read something and realize I didn't even know about... I took it for granted.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Wed 27-Mar-13 23:40:16

I did wonder if "not womening on" was a new thing, NT grin

Pan Wed 27-Mar-13 23:58:43

Sat - no, of course, one doesn't always see beyond 'one's bounds' - who does? It's a v difficult request/expectation to be able do so. And of course from one's own life's experience it's invited to take the advantage for granted.

rosabud Thu 28-Mar-13 10:27:24

I think it's great that a) your daughter has this understanding and opinion already and b) is prepared to voice it. Rape myths, along with a lot of other Daily Mail "comon sense" opinions (for example on immigration or disabled rights) held by the majority of people are so ingrained in our society that it is very difficult for a lot of people to unpick them. Also, although I talk to my similarly aged daughter about these issues and she does understand, the thought of debating about it would be difficult for her because she does not want to stand out. Peer pressure is hugely underestimated for this age-group so your daughter is doing very well to voice her opinions so strongly. (Also, minor point, swearing is, of course, very cool at that age and part of the peer pressure - would rather my daughter, like yours, resisted the rape myths peer pressure than the swearing one! smile !)

NicholasTeakozy Thu 28-Mar-13 13:27:11

I offer up Elise Andrew as a shining example of why swearing doesn't really matter. She has a Facebook group called I Fucking Love Science which has about 4 million followers. She is a far better role model than many of those promoted by the mainstream media.

SatsukiKusukabe Thu 28-Mar-13 13:45:50

oh don't offer that site up. They had a picture of a trantula with weird crab like claws coming out if it recently. apparently it was some sire of mind control fungus that makes the spider go somewhere nice for the fungus then dies. l swear I will never sleep again.

NicholasTeakozy Thu 28-Mar-13 13:46:13

Sorry Doctrine, my typing speed is far too slow for my brain.

Pan, I'm lucky that when I go outside I'm not subjected to catcalls, whistles and requests to get my tits out. I'm willing to wager the same goes for you too. My daughters do. They both rise to it, they were brought up to be bolshy and to challenge everything. Nobody argues with DD1, she's vicious. I'm glad to see DD2 is going the same way.

I think Rosa that in their case they're not bothered about peer pressure, their friends are largely supportive and those that aren't get sidelined or argued into a corner.

Pan Thu 28-Mar-13 18:34:00

And you'd be collecting some winnings there then, NT, my pecs are my own to reveal as I wish.smile
though it still avoids the 'I can only see life through male entitlement' thing. But lets face it the 'can men really be feminists' issue has been done to a squealing death round these parts over the years, so it's prob best left in peace.

MrsClown1 Thu 28-Mar-13 18:45:09

OP - yes you should be proud. I dont even know her but I am proud to think that there are at least a few young women who have the guts to speak out

wol1968 Sat 30-Mar-13 00:12:12

I see no problem with the swear words. This young woman is simply pitching her POV at lads her age who probably need talking to with bricks (to borrow a phrase from my late Polish grandfather). Well done to her for speaking out.

wol1968 Sat 30-Mar-13 00:13:30

(hope I don't kill this thread the way I killed the last three I contributed to....) blush

NicholasTeakozy Sat 30-Mar-13 07:05:10

"Talking to with bricks". I like that, it's a good analogy. I've told her she's done the right thing, but I haven't told her about this thread as I like this nn and it was her that worked out my original one causing me to change to this one.

quietlysuggests Sat 30-Mar-13 07:32:44

It is only in the past year, in my mid 30s, that I identify as being a feminist (a feminist? of course I am) and that is 100% due to MN. I am still learning.
I applaud your daughter. She used the word patriarchal!!!!! At 17!!!
She knows what a rape myth is when she sees it!!
She challenges it!!!
Oh wow she is cool.
Will you show her this thread?
If you do, tell her I hope my dd turns out to have her fire!

quietlysuggests Sat 30-Mar-13 07:33:58

oh cross posted I see you wont show her the thread, well tell her we are proud of her!!

grumpyinthemorning Fri 05-Apr-13 16:45:49

I say well done to her, it's nice to see young women being so confident. I'm 23, and it's shocking how many women my age and younger don't challenge rape myths. I hope she identifies as a feminist when she's older, and continues to hold such strong opinions.

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