This has really upset me.

(62 Posts)
HighBrows Mon 21-Jan-13 17:28:25

Man out on bail for rape of daughter

Basically this animal man raped his daughter for over 10 years. She finally got her day in court and the 12 year sentence was reduced to 3 years ANC he's been given bail to appeal.

This judge gives very low sentences for sexual assualts. My daughters 11& 12 were listening to this with me and I told them the only way for change to shit like this is for them to strive and want change too. I told them to become future law makers.

I'm heartbroken for this woman, she is so brave and she deserved justice.

What is it about young women that this judge hates? He gave a fifteen year sentence to a man who raped a 75 year old woman. (Unless I've read that wrong, apologies if I have)

SinisterSal Sat 26-Jan-13 00:02:59

Fiona Doyle was telling her story on thr Late Late just there. You might catch it on plus one, or it may be on rte.ie search for late late show if you are not in ireland. Its very upsetting but powerful. You have our support Fiona if by chance you see this. And your daughter is a wonderful young woman! She got it from you.

WowOoo Fri 25-Jan-13 16:59:00

Am glad he was persuaded a re think.
Hope that petition made a difference.

But still, doesn't seem like justice to me.
Exactly HighBrows, it's just not good enough.

spatchcock Fri 25-Jan-13 15:39:50

Good. I'm glad he's been sent down, even if it is just for three years. Three years will feel a long time to someone of his age.

Judge Paul Carney is a disgraceful example of how the law so often fails to protect women and children.

HilaryClinton Thu 24-Jan-13 21:07:17

I would also be interested StephaniePowers because he has given more than one 30 year sentence for drugs offences.

SinisterSal Thu 24-Jan-13 20:31:17

An apology was nice to hear.

HeyHoHereWeGo Thu 24-Jan-13 16:40:27

He desn't see women and children as full people I would say...

StephaniePowers Thu 24-Jan-13 16:07:29

I wonder precisely what in this judge's history makes him so lenient towards rapists and child rapists.

Schnarkle Thu 24-Jan-13 16:02:30

Delighted that the DPP dragged his sorry ass back to the courts today. The bastard is so sick that this 3 years is literally a life sentence for him. The wife hopefully will have a lonely bitter life ahead of her to look forward to.

MarcelineTheVampireQueen Thu 24-Jan-13 15:27:40

Political pressure has never changed his mind before in any of the dodgy verticts he has given. Lots of reporters say he is a media hound, always looking for the big cases, of he doesnt recognise a reported in the court, the reporter is questioned as to who he is and what paper he is from.

I think of all else, with tensions being so high in the community, that there were probably rumours of vigilantes in the area, that man was getting punished one way or another.

HeyHoHereWeGo Thu 24-Jan-13 13:48:33

It is something. It is good. And I am suprised that a judge changed his mind. Was there massive political pressure put on him> I suspect that the outrage, the media, rape crises centre etc all played their part.
So brave for this woman to call on her father to accept his (short) sentence and not to appeal.
Lets face it if he appeals he'll serve longer.
I hope the DPP does still appeal the leniency.
I wish he got an American style 126 years!!!

HighBrows Thu 24-Jan-13 12:21:58

www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2013/0124/breaking14.html

It's something I suppose, I just hope the bad handling of this case will evoke some kind of judicial review.

MarcelineTheVampireQueen Thu 24-Jan-13 12:15:29

I was just about to link Highbrows! xpost!

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0124/364250-obrien/

HighBrows Thu 24-Jan-13 12:01:11

Patrick O'Briens bail has been rescinded, he is starting his 3 year sentence today and the judge has apologised. Still not good enough, the sentence too lenient and the apology feels hallow. I'm still saddened by the whole story.

WowOoo Wed 23-Jan-13 16:57:13

Thanks for petition. Shared and signed.

Booyhoo Wed 23-Jan-13 16:50:21

this is terrifying.

HeyHoHereWeGo Wed 23-Jan-13 16:36:42

My reading of this case is thus:

The judge is yes an arrogant bastard who does not reallt rate crimes against women.
Plus - he has a grudge against the CCA (court of criminal appeal) who reduced his sentence against a very old man for a (much lesser) sexual crime.
This is the judge's revenge.
Like you tell you child to take off her coat because shes inside in a hot room, then she refuses to put it on going out in the cold and she says "Well you told me to take my coat off, make up your mind"
Its that same logic.
He is pissed off at being contradicted.

OP, this is the same judge who let out fully on suspended sentence a man who climbed in a woman's window and raped her. He let him out on suspended sentence because THE RAPIST PROMISED TO GO TO ENGLAND TO WORK

This is also the judge who (Lavinia Kerwick case - and I am so sorry that I remember the victims name but not the rapists!) gave a ONE YEAR SUSPENDED SENTENCE to a rapist, as it was "only" a non-violent date rape!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tribpot Wed 23-Jan-13 16:36:25
Suesue22 Wed 23-Jan-13 16:26:12

There's a FB page justice for Fiona Doyle which has information and links to online petition. Everyone needs to show as much support to this girl so hopefully that bast@rd gets what he deserves.

MildDrPepperAddiction Wed 23-Jan-13 04:13:07

This judge is a disgrace to the profession and a menace to the courts.
He should be removed from this position.
That poor woman's devastation is impossible to measure.

FarelyKnuts Wed 23-Jan-13 02:17:18

Oh and any Irish women and men who want to do something about this... there is a protest march in Dublin on sat at 12.30pm

FarelyKnuts Wed 23-Jan-13 01:32:13

Paul Carney (the judge) is a misogynistic bastard who is renowned for giving rapists a free pass.
There is talk now of a judicial group being set up to try and make sentencing more consistent and fair. Too late for Fiona however.
My mate is up in the high court in Oct bringing her BIL up on charges for repeatedly sexually abusing her as a child and she is terrified she will get Paul Carney as the judge.

bigkidsdidit Tue 22-Jan-13 18:21:15

I'm not reading any links, I can't bear it.

The only thing I can think of doing is kick up a stink about the judge. Put together a letter and send to the equivalent of the DPP here. Write to papers. Tweet. Marian Keyes is very hot on tweeting about the way women are treated in Ireland?

CheerfulYank Tue 22-Jan-13 18:14:10

I cannot stop thinking about this...and so betrayed by her mother to, it's awful. I just don't understand that mentality...I could never imagine DH doing something like that (of course!) but if he did I'd rip him apart before I let him near my children ever again.

It says they have turned that poor woman's daughter against her? Wonder if that evil man hurt her the same.

God it's just awful. Can't we do something?

AbigailAdams Tue 22-Jan-13 11:59:30

This is really part of the War on Women. Just in Ireland rather than America.

It is horrific that a man like this, in this day and age still has influence over women's lives. Just in case anyone thought the fight for equality had been won, here is someone to prove no, it really hasn't.

He is a misgoynist and should be removed from office.

And the links are heart-breaking.

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