Book that tells you where is it legal to have sex with children

[EatsBrainsAndLeaves]

www.amazon.co.uk/Age-Consent-Tourists-Guide-ebook/dp/B005S18YGS/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1343945440&sr=8-7&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

Hi Amazon are selling a book that tells you what counties you can visit and legally have sex with children. I am totally disgusted at this.

[EatsBrainsAndLeaves]

Sorry should say countries NOT counties

[LucieMay]

That information is freely available on Wikipedia. Seems odd there'd be a book for it.

[EatsBrainsAndLeaves]

LucieMay - Wikipedia tells you about the age of consent in different countries which is fine. This book is a "an Age of Consent: sex tourists guide". It is specifically marketing itself as a book that tells you what country you can travel to and have sex with children legally. And that is disgusting. Amazon should be ashamed of themselves

[MildewMayhew]

EBAL, is there an official body this can be reported to? Very disturbing.

[maytheoddsbeeverinyourfavour]

I don't know if I'm more or

I know this type of thing is available, but god being able to buy it on amazon is just beyond appalling

[GhouliaYelps]

[LastMangoInParis]

Um, where are the publishers of this book based? Aren't they commiting a serious criminal offence?

[allthegoodnamesweretaken]

Happily they have removed it now. No apology or anything though.

[Helxi]

What, from a global perspective, constitutes a 'child'?

[EatsBrainsAndLeaves]

There isnt a global definition of a "child". This book outlines countries where there is no age of consent and so it is legal to have sex with toddlers. The book isn't about promoting sex with say 14 or 15 year olds, but with children of all ages.

[meetupmisery]

Unbelievable a book like this is being open,y sold commercially on a large online retailer.

I had to read the OP three times.

[meetupmisery]

I have shared on FB link to blog hth.

[Helxi]

EatsBrainsAndLeaves
"There isnt a global definition of a "child". This book outlines countries where there is no age of consent and so it is legal to have sex with toddlers. The book isn't about promoting sex with say 14 or 15 year olds, but with children of all ages. "

Seeing as you appear to have read the book, what precisely does it have to day about having sex with toddlers?

[Helxi]

...have to say...

[solidgoldbrass]

You can also buy books on Amazon that tell you how to make bombs and get away with murder. Doesn't mean you have to go and do it. Taking extreme examples and using them to advocate censorship is always a bad idea.

[LastMangoInParis]

Really, SGB? How could the book that this thread is about possibly have any value at all, though? How could it be anything but dangerous? And how does any 'free speech' value justify or vindicate this book?

[ecclesvet]

The book just gives (gave, it's been removed) information about age of consent by country. It's one of those crappy self-publish-your-ebook things. You can find the same info here without the creepy packaging. Should books be banned for truthful information, if we speculate that bad people might use that information?

And whoever said the UK has no free speech legislation is completely wrong.

[LastMangoInParis]

ecclesvet that book was very clearly directed at men who want to rape children - so anticipating how that information would be used would be fairly easy.

[SchrodingersMew]

Has it been removed? The link doesn't work.

[solidgoldbrass]

Well, believing in the importance of free speech means accepting that there will be speech - and books- in existence that you don't like. That some countries have different ages of consent is a fact, and banning a book that states this fact will not, in itself, change the laws of those countries that have a low age of consent. However, setting a precedent that books which contain facts about the laws of different countries should be banned is a stupid and dangerous thing to do.

[LastMangoInParis]

I don't think that anyone on this thread thinks that legal texts on any area of law should be banned (and there are some really interesting books on law and sex in historical and international contexts out at the moment), but the purpose of this book is clearly to enable paedophile sex tourists to rape children.
Mostly we're familiar with liberal free speech values - all fine when they apply to 'self regarding activites' (which is what liberal free speech vlaues are based on). But raping children isn't really a self-regarding activity, is it?
I can see how your argument makes sense in that it protects speech that some people find offensive - OK, fine, well and good, why should anyone have a right not to be offended?
But that's different from speech that incites harmful behaviour - and traditionally this sort of speech isn't protected by (English) law or by liberal values. It seems quite clear that this book aims to enable rape of children. Therefore it's not just offensive, it's harmful. Not worth protecting legally or morally as 'free speech'.

[ecclesvet]

Wikipedia has the exact same information as this book. One review of it before it was taken down suggested that it was literally cut-and-pasted from Wikipedia. Is Wikipedia enabling paedophile sex tourists? The only difference between the two is £3 and a creepy blurb.

[SchrodingersMew]

I really don't agree with the book and think it is disgusting but need to ask if I am missing something?

Why would someone look for a book on ages of consent if they were going to rape someone? Surely it is consensual (according to the countries laws)?