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Melissa Farely

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MsAnnTeak Tue 11-Oct-11 13:15:15

Has been a leading light for radical feminists The American clinical psychologist, researcher and feminist anti-pornography and anti-prostitution activistis best known for her studies of the effects of prostitution, trafficking, and sexual violence. Much of her reasearch has been quoted on the above issues and has been highly influential in forming policies across the globe.
Recently there has been a formal complaint lodged against her and there are moves to have the APA rescind her membership.
Canadian courts have found Dr Farley to be a less than reliable witness,
finding her evidence ?to be problematic?, believing her work is
unethical, unbecoming of a psychologist, and is in breach of at least sections 5.01 and 8.10of the APA?s Code of Ethics, perhaps more.

sex-work-2010-reference-group.googlegroups.com/attach/a3b87993a830d0da/Complaint+to+APA+_Melissa+Farley.pdf?gda=11biokcAAAAASGXV9xe26yC0z09q-oJkzQiIpGuuFVKvv_B1Trw6bJCxwZJKsAB7Jsg1500Mx6obQwFxJw55cVwemAxM-EWmeV4duv6pDMGhhhZdjQlNAw&view=1&part=4&hl=en The document is 115 Pages long.

If it's upheld and her membership is rescinded will we all have to have a rethink ?

GothAnneGeddes Thu 13-Oct-11 14:02:07


Lets break this down slowly.

To work in another country, you generally a need a visa and often need to prove you have skills others don't. Prostitution doesn't generally fall into that category, because sadly, there is never a shortage of prostitutes.

If you do not have a visa/work permit, you are only able to work illegally. If you are caught working or even being in the country, you will be deported. Can you see how vulnerable to exploitation that would make someone? Can you understand that all that has happened in the super "progressive" Netherlands is that there are now two classes of prostitutes, the legal ones and a huge group of illegal and exploited women with no rights and no protection.

Finally, why on earth are you so eager to believe that men being able to purchase access to women's bodies is such a fantastic and wonderful thing?

GothAnneGeddes Thu 13-Oct-11 14:04:15

Beachcomber - I found the part about what eliminating victim status means astounding. We see it so much in so many feminist topics and great great to pinpoint exactly what is going on when it happens.

LeBOF Thu 13-Oct-11 14:04:58

For anyone affected by the issues raised on this thread, can I remind you that there r other life lines?

Beachcomber Thu 13-Oct-11 14:18:18

Agreed GothAnne.

I know BOF - not entirely without value however.

YOu could also check out what Dr Magnanti has to say - this is someone who has been a sex worker as well as an academic and therefore can't be dismissed as not having first hand experience.

Beachcomber Thu 13-Oct-11 14:36:10

I'm pretty familiar with what Dr Magnanti has to say. Like this for example;

"Genuinely. I've tried to give a shit about maternity leave and who does the housework, and all I can come up with is, if your job doesn't give you as much time off as you want, suck it up or get another job. If your partner doesn't do the washing-up, same."

The stuff she writes does nothing to alter my view of the institution of prostitution as being violence against women and children and a human rights travesty.

A few happy hooker stories do not negate the trafficking, raping, beating, murder, exploitation, coercing, threatening, imprisoning and pimping that goes on globally to hundreds of thousands of women and children in prostitution.

Uppity Thu 13-Oct-11 14:37:28

She doesn't sound like she's writing from a feminist perspective, does she?

MsAnnTeak Thu 13-Oct-11 14:53:43

GothAnneGeddes, correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't think you needed a work visa if you were a member of the EU ? You mention difficulties in other areas ie, it's impossible to gain a visa to work in a country where prostitution is illegal and legal, creating a system where people can be exploited. If you took away the obstacles in immigration this would help to prevent exploitation and give women rights and protection ?

I was unaware I was coming across as "eager to believe that men being able to purchase access to women's bodies is such a fantastic and wonderful thing" ? Where/how have I given that impression ?

I have posted here because a leading light in the feminist movement has had some serious allegations of lying, deceiving and manipulation of data laid against her. If proven and she is struck from the APA it could bring into question over 100 other pieces of her work which is much quoted in some areas of feminism (Scottish Socialist Youth having some of them). The posters here have directed me to other links, some I have looked at and I have thrown questions to you to answer which you appear not to have bothered with.

MsAnnTeak Thu 13-Oct-11 15:02:47

Thanks for the link solidgoldbrass.

Beachcomber - "Genuinely. I've tried to give a shit about maternity leave and who does the housework, and all I can come up with is, if your job doesn't give you as much time off as you want, suck it up or get another job. If your partner doesn't do the washing-up, same."

That equates to, 'if things bother you that much, instead of moaning on about it, do something to actively change it.' What's your comprehension of the statement ?

Uppity Thu 13-Oct-11 15:10:10

My comprehension is that it is not a feminist political analysis. It doesn't come from a feminist standpoint.

It would fit OK on Punternet though.

MsAnnTeak Thu 13-Oct-11 15:19:10

Is there just the 1 type of feminism ? Looked at my daughter's project on it and appear to be several ?

To post here in the feminism/woman's right section does everyone have to follow just the one kind ie, your kind ?

Uppity Thu 13-Oct-11 15:25:28


It helps to be on the feminist spectrum though.

That way you get feminist discussion. There's mountains of non feminist perspective and anti feminist perspective stuff everywhere else in the world.

Refusing to see housework or maternity rights as a political issue, rather than an individual personal one, is not a feminist position.

"I'm not a racist but..."

Well guess what. Saying you're a feminist, doesn't make you one. Just like saying you're not a racist, doesn't mean you're not one.

You see, I don't think that insisting on speaking for and about sex workers (as many anti-sex-industry people do) rather than letting them speak for themselves is all that feminist, either.

Uppity Thu 13-Oct-11 15:44:07

I agree SGB.

But people who are in favour of the sex industry, generally only listen to the sex workers who are continuing to promote the sex industry.

Whereas feminists listen to all sex workers and make a choice from a feminist perspective. IMO.

MsAnnTeak Thu 13-Oct-11 15:58:57

I'm female and believe in women having the same rights, protections of the law, opportunities, etc. as men. I've never been a person who believes you are disadvantaged because you are female. Is that feminist ?

My daughters have been brought up to be strong, independent, motivated women, capable of succeeding in ANY career they choose and embracing their feminine side. They're getting on with it and I'm extremely proud of all they have accomplished.

Maternity and paternity rights, yes it's a political issue but honestly, refusing housework ? It's between the couple living together and if it is such an issue in the relationship make sure there's enough money coming in to get a cleaner, or make sure you find a partner who will share the load, leave it, or get yourself a new partner. Housework has never been a moan in my home and I'd know the world had gone mad if we got to a point where some government busybody decided to send out a questionaire to all those in a relationship on the sharing of chores, and made follow up checks to determine if it was fair or not.

MsAnnTeak Thu 13-Oct-11 16:04:06

"But people who are in favour of the sex industry, generally only listen to the sex workers who are continuing to promote the sex industry."

Bit of a strange thing to say. Who should they listen to, those who have never worked in the sex industry ?
If you want to know about farming do you go to miners for the answers ?

Uppity Thu 13-Oct-11 16:06:17


skrumle Thu 13-Oct-11 16:18:11

i think i'd go for shock rather than hmm...

LeBOF Thu 13-Oct-11 16:21:11

FGS, don't give him the blowjob face.

skrumle Thu 13-Oct-11 16:24:33

eeeewwwwww!!! i'm never going to be able to use that one again now - you have soiled it forever for me... sad

grin at BOF.

MsAnnTeak Thu 13-Oct-11 16:28:14

Him ? Now I've changed sex.

buzzskeleton Thu 13-Oct-11 16:33:36

[draws Venn diagram for Ms]]

Beachcomber Thu 13-Oct-11 16:36:33

Some links to the excellently written blog of a survivor of prostitution - for those interested in stories other than those of happy hookers.

Trigger warning - Rebecca Mott's blog can be distressing to read.





MsAnnTeak Thu 13-Oct-11 16:44:42

Without any of my questions being answered it's now turned into cheesy smilie and blowjob smilie time, with 'you're not female' thrown in.
Awaiting the Venn diagram.

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