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TethersEnd · 22/04/2011 16:55

That is such a badly made model.

Seriously, I'm an art teacher and it makes me scream inside.

Also, not sure those proportions are right...?

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PonceyMcPonce · 22/04/2011 16:57

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msrisotto · 22/04/2011 16:59

Yeah it's very poorly made, i don't know anything about scaling small models up but what makes you think it has been incorrectly done?

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PonceyMcPonce · 22/04/2011 17:01

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noodle69 · 22/04/2011 17:03

Barbies boobs are no way that big on comparison to her body. Also barbie has got smaller waist but her legs and arms arent too skinny imo. She also has meat on her as she has some boobs and she has a big head/face.

She would fall over though as her feet are always on tippy toes!

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noodle69 · 22/04/2011 17:05

Also I have a BMI of 17.4 and concieved a child within 1 month. You could concieve a child if you are naturally skinny. Things like this piss me off cause some people are just naturally small and telling them they are unatural and some kind of freak does my head in.

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msrisotto · 22/04/2011 17:12

There are always exceptions to the rule but I think it is reasonably common for women with a below cut off BMI to have amenhorrea.

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noodle69 · 22/04/2011 17:16

Yeah but there are cut offs quite a few. Look at women in some far eastern countries a lot are teeny and thats just the way they are. Also clothes vanity size nowadays everyone now knows that so people as a group are getting bigger.

I know quite a few people who are classified as underweight who are perfectly healthy both men and women. Same as I know some who are classified as overweight who dont have excess weight at all. BMI does not take in to consideration genetics, bone structure etc. Its a load of rubbish if you ask me and even my doctor told me to ignore it.

My mum concieved as underweight, so did my nan and most of my close female family member I know. If that is how you are, have always been and have never ever made it in to the normal weight category even as a child then its not true.

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TethersEnd · 22/04/2011 17:24

Head and arms seem too small... look here

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bibbitybobbityhat · 22/04/2011 17:26

What kind of fuckwit tells a woman of 5'7" that she should keep her weight at 8 stone 5 maximum?

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SardineQueen · 22/04/2011 17:30

I agree with noodle that women who are naturally teeny can have a tricky time of it. I wonder if the BMIs are based on a european build? Do they have different BMIs in different parts of the world?

Also women who are naturally built like "cartoon woman" can get a lot of grief.

Women come in all sorts of shapes and sizes and the obsessing in the media about women's bodies and the inordinately narrow definition of "the right shape" and the fact that shape changes with fashion so to really keep up it's surgery time.... That's the problem.

I would suggest that while low BMI might be an indicator of a problem, the real question is, is there actually a problem? BMI is not the be all and end all. Singling loads of slim women out and suggesting they must have psychological problems or be physically unwell (not you MrsR) seems like a pretty bad move to me.

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TrillianAstra · 22/04/2011 17:32

That's an awful model - barbie's head is way bigger than that!

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SueSylvesterforPM · 22/04/2011 17:33

Also women who are naturally built like "cartoon woman" can get a lot of grief.

sorry to derail abit but watching disneys lilo & stitch atm lilo's sister has some serious thighage on her good stuff on disneys part.

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BooyHoo · 22/04/2011 17:37

it is very clearly not an accurate model.

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SueSylvesterforPM · 22/04/2011 17:44

LOL at the model

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noodle69 · 22/04/2011 17:46

Surely you know with in reason what is a healthy size just by looking in the mirror if you have loads of excess fat or can see bones sticking out all over then you are probably at the extreme. Talking about it in the media makes it more of an issue imo and causes people to become obsessive.

Every article is either the nation is getting more obese and becoming a burden on the NHS or loads of people are calorie counting and have anorexia. Its the articles that make people neurotic and not playing with Barbie as a kid.

I have been told in the past I must be starving myself, and then when they see me eat that I must be making myself sick. I never ever thought about my weight when I was younger but I do things like never go to the toilet in a restaurant (so no one thinks I am making myself sick), if I eat something healthy ever people usually comment on have a real meal so I refuse to eat fruit or anything healthy in public. Its annoying! Some people dont want every time they eat to have it analysed by random people as its embarassing! You dont want to come across as either boasting or justifying yourself to look like your lying. I would never dream of going up to a much larger woman and saying your not a 'real' woman why you eating that burger? I wouldnt do it because its rude.

I think if people just didnt read the articles then maybe the media would stop publishing them but they keep doing it as they sell papers/magazines. I refuse to buy trashy mags that all they focus on is who is too skinny and who is too fat. As there seems to be such a little window on which is acceptable its ridiculous.

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SardineQueen · 22/04/2011 17:49

Wasn't the whole Barbie real life woman thing done before?

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ThatVikRinA22 · 22/04/2011 17:54

i rather agreed with the comment under the article that said mickey mouse was clearly out of proportion to a real mouse, that dora explorers head was too big and the teletubbies are obese - toys arent meant to be to scale surely?

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SardineQueen · 22/04/2011 18:35

Agreeing with noodle here

If only everything surrounding women's bodies could be more relaxed. Yes obviously people will always want to look their best and will hanker after a figure like someone very attractive etc etc it's human nature. But teh situation we have is an extreme fetihisation of the female form where more or less every female body shape is wrong in some way. And the ones who have it right like my friend with the natural "cartoon woman" shape get loads of unwanted attention as their body type = sex to some men and those sort of men seem to think that that body shape = inviting comment, attention and groping irrespective of the actual woman who it belongs to.

Those magazines that zoom in on a minute part of a woman's body and slag it off are just bizarre! And it all gets into the psyche - I can't help but look at the covers in the shop, I never buy them, but I still know they exist, you can only avoid this stuff if you go around with a bag over your head.

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