Fucking idiots

[LadyOfTheManor]

I am extremely pissed off by the attitudes on this thread;

Here

Some women need a good clout around the head.

[Goblinchild]

You would use violence to achieve compliance when swearing and shouting hasn't worked?
Against women whose only sin is to have a different opinion?
I'll leave this thread alone now, but I will be interested in seeing how it develops when discussed from a Feminist perspective.

[AyeRobot]

Advocating violence against women on the feminism board? Whatever the merits or otherwise of your anger and the metaphorical nature of the phrase, you know that it's not appropriate, don't you?

[LadyOfTheManor]

Yes feminists do swear. Shocking I know.

[bronze]

I has assumed it was a metaphorical clout.

Maybe start again as I am with you on that thread

[bronze]

By that I mean I was shocked by the thread. I haven't read what you have said yet

[LadyOfTheManor]

Yes it was a metaphorical clout. I didn't intend on hunting down these women with a choice of weapon...!

[JaneS]

That thread is really strange. Go forth and metaphorically clout, please!

[LadyOfTheManor]

Thank you, thank you. Of course we mustn't advocate violence against women. In fact one of the posters on there called me a "woman hater"...!

[JaneS]

Wow, I missed that.

I think I need to stop posting on there too, it's getting me cross.

Are you ok? I think I'd be quite shaky after that thread.

[LadyOfTheManor]

I just don't understand their mentality. I really don't get it. How can women not want to support womens' rights, I mean how is that at all possible? I don't understand how so many women are so conditioned to be misogynist apologists...it's really sad and it's so unbelievably frustrating. ARGHHH!!

Computer, sorry explain what?

[goodegg]

LoTM you're not covering yourself in glory by a) being aggressive on that thread and insulting and abusing other posters, and b) running over here to gain support.

There are plenty of interesting and valid viewpoints on the thread, you chose to insult the majority and to be fair forcing the OP to be about something it's not!

I'm a feminist and it would be lovely if you could make your points on there without the abuse. Hardly anyone made anti-feminist points and the tiny minority that did, didn't invite the name-calling and rudeness you came on to the thread with.

[JaneS]

computer, I think what I find so frustrating is that 'common sense' argument seems incomplete, to me.

Where I live, the quick way home from the train station is down a totally unlit footpath by the canal. I don't like to go that way alone. I've no reason to assume it's unsafe, actually, I just don't fancy it. I'm not about to start walking that way and pretending I'm striking a blow for feminists everywhere. However, if I did walk that way and something did happen, it would not be my fault. It would not be because I wasn't 'careful'. Because every day I do things that aren't very careful, but I have never yet managed to punch myself in the face and steal my own handbag, or to rape myself.

[goodegg]

I don't want to discuss the other thread on here, I feel it's bad manners, but if you're going to insult the women posting on that thread I feel obliged to stick up for the majority who thought the policemen were pretty much doing their job.

I also agree with a lot of posters who said it was all about the tone they used - if the OP felt they were patronising, then no wonder she felt uncomfortable - I'd feel my space was being invaded.

There is a wooded path which I usually but not always take home - sometimes I make the judgement that it's very late, dark and knowing there have been rare cases of muggings and sexual assaults on the path, I take the longer, main route. It's called dealing with the world we live in. If I took the wood path and passed police who politely recommended that I would be safer on the main road, I'd take it on board ( and rue not moving to a posher area )

I think it's at least as much about muggings as sexual safety, and it's an unavoidable fact that a lone man is more likely to be attacked than a lone woman. LoTM please take sensible points to the thread if indeed you have any.

[amberleaf]

Maybe LOTM you got the response you did on there because of your tone?

Ive read a few posts from you today [that thread and another] and TBH you come across as very rude.

People can have differing opnions and debate them rudeness usually negates your argument somewhat.

also thread about a thread = bad forum etiquette

[goodegg]

Dittany - look at LoTM's posts on the thread and maybe you'll see why I wonder if she has any reasonable contribution to make.

[goodegg]

In fact look no further than this thread title

[SardineQueen]

Points should be discussed on the thread in question IMO

[charitygirl]

Would just like to say, that unless my memory is playing tricks, it is only a few weeks since LOTM was posting on this board from the position if someone new to feminism, wanting to find out more.

It does my cycnical old heart no end of good to see her now espousing feminist views on AIBU, regardless of the inevitable kicking she gets. I can rarely be bothered, which is not to my credit.

Good on you LOTM. Don't listen to those who say that maybe they'd listen if you just said it 'nicer'. They're lying.

[BlooferLady]

could I ask a foolish question, pliz? I have read (most of) said thread, and have never in my life been so baffled.

LOTM (and others) if your daughter - literal or metaphorical - were to call you at midnight and say, "What ho Mum, just walking home alone through an unlit passageway with a bit of a dodgy reputation, see you soooooon!" would you say, "Knock yerself out love, if you get mugged or rape it certainly won't be your fault!" .

I assume (perhaps wrongly) that you would say something along the lines of "Gosh, you sure? There isn't a slightly safer route you could take?"

And by that same token, wouldn't an officer of the law whose sworn duty is to protect the public from harm be doubly obliged to offer the same advice?

Incidentally I asked my (copper) DH about this - a) they routinely tell solitary men late at night in ill-lit areas of dubious reputation to take care and b) I don't think I've ever seen someone so baffled as he was by the idea that saying the same thing to a woman might be the work of a sexist pig.