Disordered eating

(152 Posts)
goodasitgets Sat 07-Dec-13 18:14:24

This may seem like a stupid question but if I post what I have eaten today, could you tell me if it seems a lot?
I have been low carb for a long ish time but am eating carbs for a few days - today was not a good food day
Have a history of disordered eating and feeling like I should punish myself for eating too much

Talkinpeace Sat 07-Dec-13 21:25:00

feel free to post,
but please do not EVER punish yourself
actually, even better than one of us telling you, pop the information on here
www.myfitnesspal.com
set it up to maintain your current weight so that it can tell you whether your eating is right for you

and remember, tomorrow is another day grin

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 06:12:58

Thank you
Breakfast was maybe 3 tablespoons total yoghurt and a banana
Lunch was egg salad bap and bag of crisps plus bar of chocolate (small bar)
Tea was 3 Ryvita with garlic soft cheese and tomato salsa

I'm aware my food choices aren't great! Usually eat meat/fish/veg and fats and like I said low carb. Weight loss stalled so took 48hrs off as PT recommended a while ago
Problem is I eat all of my meals alone really and I struggle with whether I've eaten too much/not enough

RalphRecklessCardew Sun 08-Dec-13 07:07:54

That's nowhere near enough food.

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 07:37:17

That helps. I felt guilty for eating the Ryvita for tea hmm
Sounds so stupid but because nobody sees what I eat, I have lost my way a bit in what's a lot and what's a little
By disordered I'm not anorexic/bulimic but I do have a tendency to "punish" myself with food. It's been much better since low carving as its hard to binge on that food!!

RalphRecklessCardew Sun 08-Dec-13 08:56:09

Always good to ask.

Talkinpeace Sun 08-Dec-13 16:23:05

Ignore the PT : they are generally nut jobs (and I luff the ones at my gym, but they have no concept of overweight)

3 tablespoons : why bother. Either eat a real meal or skip till the next one.
lunch = 2/3 crap (crisps and chocolate ) gigantic egg salad bap would do you a lot better
tea = punishment food, not fill you up enjoyment.

Talkinpeace Sun 08-Dec-13 16:28:20

menu idea for tomorrow

breakfast
mug of tea or coffee
2 poached / scrambled eggs on a slice of real ham or salami
(or go for it and just have the tea)

lunch
mug of tea or coffee
small bowl lined with lettuce, grated carrot, chopped tomato, sliced pepper, grated parmesan and then balsamic on top
then a piece of fruit

supper
a pint of water
a whole tub of healthy fresh soup from a supermarket
a pint of water

adds up to around 1300 calories and you will be STUFFED by the end of the day

even better, come and try 5:2 intermittent fasting - best of all worlds

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 16:52:52

Usual day I try to have

Scrambled eggs/bacon/protein (had that this morning, 3 eggs and bacon)
I do mean three heaped tablespoons! It's a big ish bowl

Then lunch generally meat/fish and veg. Today I had tuna salad barm and some extra cucumber and tomatoes

Usually skip tea when I'm working earlies

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 16:55:03

My PT got me onto paleo/primal eating (this is the background) which I love, I feel more energetic and I've lost about 36lbs so far
I do roughly 5hrs exercise a week. Eating can become more disordered as work shifts, early shifts I tend to come home and go to bed

MillyChristmas Sun 08-Dec-13 17:16:52

WOW Talking ...are you really serious.???This women is saying she has disordered eating and you are putting up a low calorie menu that would not keep anyone going for a day. Then to add to it you suggest that the OP does 5:2 which involves starving herself further on several days a week. That's really not going to help her disordered eating. At least with low carbing she will be eating well and feeling satisfied every day.

MillyChristmas Sun 08-Dec-13 17:23:01

Good your paleo/primal sounds really healthy and sustaining. Have you seen this site OP.
paleomg.com/
She has some amazing paleo recipes.

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 17:25:03

I will have a look. Am going back primal/paleo v shortly and trying to keep 80% of my diet clean
Problem is I either eat too little or too much and I'm trying to balance it, so was just looking for what "normal" people eat

MillyChristmas Sun 08-Dec-13 17:36:16

Normal people as in people who don't diet do you mean?
Slim people who have never had any problem with weight tend to eat when they are truly hungry (why else would they eat) and stop as soon as they feel satisfied. They eat whatever they want and have all the foods they love in their house. They don't gain weight.

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 17:40:36

I guess (confusing myself now) confused
I thought of the day of food I posted as a binge day hence asking

Hermione123 Sun 08-Dec-13 17:43:17

Definitely not enough, I have the either over or under eating issue too, best advice is to make a plan in advance but cross check it against a calorie counter website, anything under 1500-1600 per day when trying to lose weight is crash dieting. Better to lose slow if you have to and prone to disordered eating. Remember you need nourishing foods, should be about self love not the opposite

Floppityflop Sun 08-Dec-13 17:47:24

I think that's nowhere near enough food even if you needed to lose weight! If you need help with disordered eating see a doctor. Don't bother with PTs or faddy diets, especially 5:2 seems dangerous if you are prone to disordered eating. You need three meals a day and possibly two snacks as well, depending on activity levels. You should be eating the full range of foods, not just some. No food should be described as "bad" or "dirty".

Ephiny Sun 08-Dec-13 17:51:16

I'm not sure there's any such thing as a 'normal' amount to eat, as everyone is different in terms of their appetite, energy requirements etc. If you're a healthy weight for your height, then you're probably eating about the right amount.

What you describe certainly doesn't sound excessive or anything like 'binge day' to me. Are you on a diet/trying to lose weight? Are you currently overweight?

MillyChristmas Sun 08-Dec-13 17:58:38

Exactly Ephiny. If your eating is not disordered then you will be in touch with your appetite and therefore will only eat when you are truly hungry and stop when satisfied. However in truth, most of us are so messed up by diets that we no longer no what true appetite is. Sad really.

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 17:58:56

I'm obese. This is me a few weeks ago - so post losing the weight I've lost so far but probably 3 maybe 4 stone to go
I eat, then get cross at myself that I've eaten. I don't seem to have any carb regulator - for instance I can't eat one biscuit so I don't have them in the house, the same with bread
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MillyChristmas Sun 08-Dec-13 18:01:50

Good.....Great shapely legs, slim hips, great boobs and waist definition. You look good to be honest, certainly not in any way shape or form are you OBESE.

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 18:04:16

I weigh a shit load, that's what upsets me mainly. I've had some wine (very horrendous day with bad news) so may be more honest than usual grin
All I want to do is get on the scales and have the doctor say my BMI is ok. Was refused certain contraception this year as too fat

MillyChristmas Sun 08-Dec-13 18:04:42

Im sad that you see this picture and see yourself as obsese. You have done so well in losing this weight of yours but losing it is only the beginning. Keeping it off is the hard part. If you don't mind me saying you could do with some help with your disordered eating and your view of yourself.

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 18:05:55

But I am sad
I can't be 15 stone and not obese

MillyChristmas Sun 08-Dec-13 18:05:59

You were too fat at the weight you are now???

MillyChristmas Sun 08-Dec-13 18:06:38

Well that photo doesn't make you look fifteen stone. How tall are you.

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 18:09:53

Yes, my BMI is 30
5'11

MillyChristmas Sun 08-Dec-13 18:15:55

Your having a bad day then I would say. If you wanted to then I would think you could lose another stone or two but not three or four. Maybe your old image of yourself is still in your head when you look in the mirror and your head hasn't caught up with your new image IYSWIM.

RalphRecklessCardew Sun 08-Dec-13 18:19:54

1300 calories a day is terrifyingly little. Is that really what diets do to your metabolism?

OP - you look smoking.

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 18:20:42

Another 45lbs will tip me just into normal BMI which I what I've wanted

Bloody hell..I am 9 and a half stone and 5.5 and you look better than me!
I hate BMI for this reason...it's just not an effective or particularly helpful gauge wrt weight and health.
Waist circumference is a far better method of predicting health problems in people.
> 35 inches is v bad.

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 18:24:22

My waist is over 35 inches too!
I'm fairly fit as in I can do a military boot camp/extreme spin etc and not die grin and I do pole fitness and horse ride but I FEEL lazy and fat and my weight/BMI etc says it (plus my mother but...)

garlicbaubles Sun 08-Dec-13 18:27:24

God, this is depressing. You look amazing. You can do a military boot camp. You are fit, healthy and beautiful!

Did you know that many high-level fitness trainers are obese, according to BMI charts?

Pinupgirl Sun 08-Dec-13 18:29:03

Do not listen to posters promoting faddy diets such as 5;2-thats what they are and the diet books will be gathering dust in charity shops next year when the diet industry thinks of yet another way to make women feel bad about themselves.

You are very tall op and that will probably have an effect on what you weigh-you certainly don't look anywhere near obese to me. Bmi is a load of shite anyway.

Stop dieting,start liking yourself and seek some counselling-punishing yourself with food is not healthy.

MillyChristmas Sun 08-Dec-13 18:30:12

Good excuse me for saying but your issue is not really your weight it is your body image and how you see yourself.

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 18:31:37

I'm just fed up of it. The nurse asked how much I drink (naff all except on night out about twice a year) and how much I exercise, and looked disbelieving when I told her
Contraceptive pill and Nuva ring refused. I'm sick of getting on the scales and seeing this weight - I know I've lost some but I want to be 11 stone ish

MillyChristmas Sun 08-Dec-13 18:32:29

Agree totally Pinup. So many women on the 5:2 are having problems with bingeing. Of course they would though, 5:2 and starving yourself sets you up to binge.

garlicbaubles Sun 08-Dec-13 18:32:37
goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 18:33:49

I know my body image is shit. I see a double chin and huge legs etc etc but my weight IS still an issue

Pinupgirl Sun 08-Dec-13 18:35:33

Then don't get on the scales!! You are not obliged to be weighed by anyone. I never weigh myself-I am 5'6 and my waist is 34 inches-I am sure some posters will be horrified by this but I couldn't give a shit!. I go by how my clothes feel-if they feel a bit tighter then I cut down on the wine/choc that week.

By all means try and keep healthy-you sound like you do far more exercise than me! but please don't deprive yourself-food is not your foe.

MillyChristmas Sun 08-Dec-13 18:35:40

Good the contraceptive pill will possibly cause you weight problems anyway as does the coil from what I am told. Can you not just use condoms when needed as then there are no unnecessary hormones going into your body causing weight fluctuations. Please don't too much notice of so called experts. Nurses are lovely but some make you feel very bad but if you look at them they do not always take their own advice.

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 18:36:47

Thanks garlic - that's interesting. My blood pressure is usually exactly 120/80 and my resting pulse below 70. My bloods are all fine except I'm anaemic

It's just stupid things like trying a h&m top on and XL came nowhere near me. And wanting to go for a riding lesson (not on my horse) and not being able to find anywhere as I'm over the weight limit

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 18:38:22

I have a copper coil. It's causing me issues that I bleed for 11 days every 2 weeks but I would rather that than hormones definitely. Condoms not an option as I am ridiculously fertile blush

Talkinpeace Sun 08-Dec-13 18:40:44

goodasitgets
I just looked at your picture

please kick all your trainers / advisers / medics into the pile of poo that they deserve to be in.

you are darn near 6 foot tall and you have the armpit to hip shape that people pay for

seriously
check your waist to height ratio (waist should be less than half of height)
and then hold your chin up (very) high
and come for a natter on 5:2
even if you never plan to do a fast
but we are a vary happy supportive place
please surf us

because you are worth it !

Pinupgirl Sun 08-Dec-13 18:41:00

H&m are notoriously bad for sizing though! I do all my shopping online-I know you have seen me on s&bgrin-as I find they are far more consistent with their sizing and give precise bust/waist/hip measurements.

By all means lose more weight if that's what you want to do but do it sensibly-no fads!!

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 18:41:52

I have, I got my PUG dress and it doesn't fit sad and I need a 3XL ffs

RalphRecklessCardew Sun 08-Dec-13 18:45:17

You look good and you're active. Blood pressure, cholesterol?

Pinupgirl Sun 08-Dec-13 18:45:39

3XL is only a label on a garment in one shop!! Surely you are more than a label? Why don't you set yourself a realistic target and by realistic I mean take into consideration your height/build and then try to reach your goal while still being kind to yourself and to your body.

Perhaps your target could be to fit into that dress? I have a PUG dress in a 3Xl btw-I love the dress and couldn't care less what the label says!

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 18:47:00

BP 120/80 sometimes a bit lower. Cholesterol no idea but they've never mentioned it so I presume ok

Talkinpeace Sun 08-Dec-13 18:47:10

goodasitgets
at 5'11" you need to be shopping from places like "long tall sally" because shops for shortarses like the rest of us (eg H&M) scale their clothes to that height

PLEASE
ignore "clothes sizes" as they are bilge
look at your height
you are worth it

TheProvincialLady Sun 08-Dec-13 18:54:10

Greetings from a fellow ED sufferer. I can wholeheartedly recommend Overeaters Anonymous as a way out of the need to punish yourself with food, starve, bjnge or base your self worth on how much you weigh.

RalphRecklessCardew Sun 08-Dec-13 19:04:46

My BMI's around 23. I have a Zara XL shirt that's too small. Sizing is weird.

Anyway, your bloods are good and your blood pressure is good and you look good and you move a lot. Try googling 'heathly at any size' and thinking of words like 'statuesque' 'junoesque' 'buxom' and 'magnificent' to describe yourself. You'll never be a Cara Delevigne/Sienna Miller type (to avoid misunderstandings: I don't buy the 'real women have curves' claptrap either) but what you are is fine.

The only thing that does worry me is that you're eating so little and not losing weight - not because you need to lose weight but because it suggests your metabolism has been damaged by dieting. Anyone know how to reset it?

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 19:08:40

The weird thing is I've never really dieted confused
I did WW v briefly when I was about 17. Then I basically ate what I wanted at Uni etc and I've been paleo for about 12 months
If I ate what I wanted I would gain weight

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 19:10:51

Today's food
B - 3 scrambled eggs, 2 pieces bacon, cup of tea
Protein shake after gym
L - tuna salad barm + extra salad
Snack - 2 roses chocolates
T - 3 Ryvita, garlic cheese and salsa

Am making a stew tomorrow and off work for a few days so can eat more regularly

RalphRecklessCardew Sun 08-Dec-13 19:13:14

Ok, that is odd. Thyroid?

Talkinpeace Sun 08-Dec-13 19:15:30

drop the snacks - save the calories for proper meals
maybe only two a day
but snacks are the spawn of the devil

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 19:16:56

Thyroid ok - all females in my family have over/under active thyroid so I've had my checked a few times. Had bloods/checkup recently so I know most of the numbers with bp/pulse etc!
Blood sugars always v low, tendency to be hypoglycaemic

garlicbaubles Sun 08-Dec-13 19:26:05

Actually, I'm not surprised you tend to anaemia and low blood sugar. You're not eating nearly enough for the amount of exercise you do.

I know how hard it is with an ED to accept that a normal diet will see your body adjust its own weight, size and appetite. I think you'd probably benefit from a proper mental-health trained nutritionist, but don't have a clue how to find a decent one I'm afraid! I really like the fat nutritionist - although she's only online, perhaps you might enjoy a few click around her site?

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 19:28:40

I will have a look thank you smile
The anaemia is due to a heavy bleed earlier this year and then 11 day twice a month periods hmm

My dad is also hypoglycaemic, I notice mine virtually goes away when I don't eat carbs/sugar and its stable. Before I've eaten porridge for breakfast and had a sugar level of 2 after glucose gel because I fainted

Talkinpeace Sun 08-Dec-13 19:30:04

OP
Look up your TDEE
thefitgirls.com/tdee-calculator.aspx
which takes into account you age, sex, height and activity level
to calculate the right amount of calorie intake for YOU

(rather than the random 1950's housewife who creates the 2000 on the side of the cereal packet)

once you know wthat you body needs, you can adjust it by sustainable increments

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 19:32:46

TDE says 2709

garlicbaubles Sun 08-Dec-13 19:35:24

That sounds more credible smile

garlicbaubles Sun 08-Dec-13 19:42:19

Ah ... The periods sound awful, poor you! Have you been checked for PCOS at all? That could explain a lot of things ...

Talkinpeace Sun 08-Dec-13 19:42:52

goodasitgets
so, to stay healthily at the same weight, you should be eating 2700 calories a day
and if you make those mostly fruit, veg, protein and other healthy stuff you are OK
if you want to lose weight ... but you really, really do not want to lose too much,
drop that by 10%
so around 2500 a day : but average it over a week
so be strict monday to thursday and enjoy weekends
- that way sustainability leads

goodasitgets Sun 08-Dec-13 20:14:51

Never been checked. To be blunt I had a coerced termination in May,/ coil fitted and they've gone downhill since then

Hi good, you are getting sensible advice from garlic, particularly regarding the psychological aspect. I am in the middle of this training to become a health coach/weight loss counsellor and it's amazing. There's a register of qualified coaches on the website, they are mainly US based but most will work via Skype.

You sound very healthy to me!
We aren't all destined to be a size 8 waif.
And nor should we aspire to be.
I have suffered with GERD since my youngest son was born 5 years ago and am determined to get off the meds.
I had to have my gallbladder out a week ago which I feel is directly related to how I have eaten over the years (too much fat and rubbish)
I am 41 and realise I need to look after myself.
I am really interested in paleo / low carb eating and lost 1.5 Stone last year doing it but then life got in the way, lots of stress and I went back to carbs in a big way sad
Trouble is I don't like meat much and aside from chicken and lamb, dont really eat it.
Any tips?

Talkinpeace Sun 08-Dec-13 20:39:52

badvocat
have a look at 5:2 intermittent fasting : no food is banned

I need to ban some food sadly...it sets off my GERD sad

garlicbaubles Sun 08-Dec-13 21:26:44

Oh, good, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm also horrified that the nurse was so vile to you when you sought alternative contraception. Evidently, the coil isn't suiting you - are there reasons why you couldn't take the Pill instead? You can't be losing that amount of blood all the time, it's one extra strain your body doesn't need. Congrats on your perfect blood pressure in spite of that, your mega-fitness must be balancing off the blood loss!

I've always had more help from women's clinics and - wait for it - GUM clinics, than GPs. Could be worth sidestepping your GP, if they're given to lazy assumptions about women's reproductive health.

Following what you've gone through this year, I can really understand that 'control' might feel crucial in your life. We all - young women, especially - need to watch out for the temptation to reduce our sphere of control to our bodies, if we feel we don't have enough influence on our wider world. You are strong, healthy, beautiful and intelligent: I feel sure you can regain the power to change what needs changing, and to respect & trust your own body to look after you.

garlicbaubles Sun 08-Dec-13 21:28:25

Badvoc, porridge makes me quite ill! Took ages to figure that out, as it's supposed to be such a wonder food grin

Badvoc rather than following some strict diet, as a first step, why not just take the approach that you mention, of looking after yourself as best you can? Make food your friend and ally rather than something to have that never-ending internal battle over. So;

- choose food that you like, whatever that is - but get the besty possible quality of that food - organic versions whenever possible. Most of the time choose food that you know is going to provide you with great nutrition but occasionally have that meal that just makes you feel warm and comforted (assuming that this choice isn't necessarily the 'healthiest'). Really savour and enjoy it!

-Take time over meals, anticipate, sit without a tv or work in front of you and eat it mindfully, as slowly as you can.

-Rather than going full on low carb, try just dropping sugar and all white carbs (90% of the time, don't ban anything completely, it makes it irresistible 'don't think of a white bear!'...now what are you doing wink) - bread, potatoes, rice, pasta...you can replace them with lentils, beans, chickpeas, lots of veg. This is much more sustainable than full on low carb for many people and can make a big difference to your body.

Badvoc - wrt to triggering your GERD, then yes you obviously need to ban some food in that case smile

Out of interest badvoc, would you say you are a fast eater?

Yes, I would sleep.

goodasitgets Mon 09-Dec-13 08:13:48

I could have the mirena but I'm concerned about the hormones. Combined pill is a no, I've had the mini pill before which killed my libido totally so I'm a bit stuck really!!
It's been a hard year and tbh it's got worse and worse (death of two friends this week)
Scrambled eggs for breakfast today, have brought fresh tomato soup for lunch and some cashew nuts

Ok, I am training as a mind-body nutritionist and the biggest thing I have learnt in terms of how our mind and body works together is that stress is our metabolism's biggest enemy. There can be all sorts of sources of stress - emotional, environmental, stress due to money, a job we hate, relationship issues, unresolved emotional issues in our past, a fear of food and getting fat..... but the one that many, many people inadvertently cause themselves is through fast eating. Just the act of rushing through meals puts our body in a mild fight or flight, 'ready to run from a lion' response. In this state, digestion, assimilation and metabolism is not a priority for our body, having sharp wits and limbs ready to act fast is. If we regularly exist/eat in a low level stress response our digestive system and metabolism never works at its best and we end up overweight and/or with digestive problems.

If you were my client the very first 'homework' task I would be giving you, before adjusting anything about your diet at all, would be to practice slowing down with meals. Try and have no distractions (like work or tv), take ten deep breaths before you start to eat - saying 'grace' can help hugely with his, even if you aren't at all religious - and then try and spend as long as you can over the meal. I don't mean chewing loads of times but just really relaxing and tasting. It's a skill not many people have and it can take a long time - weeks or months or more - to really master because by habit we tend to rush food, but you will be doing you body a huge favour. Among other benefits it really helps you get back in touch with your appetite, your mind really knows you are eating and you will feel more nourished and satisfied (as opposed to barely noticing something you've thrown down in about 3 minutes flat) and you give you tummy the chance to send full signals when you've had enough, so you can stop before you overeat.

Try it for 2-3 weeks and see what difference it makes, if any, to appetite, bingeing and GERD?

THank you.
I have had a hugely stressful few months...lost my beloved dad in July then my mum had a heart attack, then I have been ill.
It's been rough.
In fact this whole year has been a nightmare.
What you say makes a lot of sense!

badvoc and goodas, it sounds like you have been through some horrible times lately. Definitely time to start caring and looking after yourself in the way you would if it was a child or close friend that had been through such traumas, when you stop and think about how we treat our bodies it's crazy, we would never treat other people that way!

goodas, I know you are doing lots of tough exercise. Do you enjoy it? If all exercise/movement (whether walking, yoga, dancing, karate, boot camp, boxing) burned the same amount of calories, what would you choose to do?

goodasitgets Mon 09-Dec-13 12:25:34

I love exercise!
If money/time was no object I would ride (I have a horse so that's not optional!), boot camp and then probably pole fitness 90 million times a week grin
Hate yoga, can manage Pilates occasionally. Also adore spinning. I do like pushing to the limits and find pole/spin reduces my stress

Cool, you sound like me goodas- except for the horse disastrous smile. Lots of people do intense exercise purely as a means to losing weight/atonement/punishment for over eating or hating their body, and they hate the exercise. The result then, particularly longer term, is more stress and it can actually start causing weight retention or even gain. If you fell into that camp I was going to suggest you do the exercise you enjoy regularly and see if that has an effect.

goodasitgets Mon 09-Dec-13 12:43:18

Noo I just love the feeling of dripping with sweat and waking up sore (and covered in pole bruises) grin
I do push myself a LOT

Hmm - sounds like your sources of stress lie elsewhere goodas smile

Badvoc - give the slower eating a go and let me know how you feel about it after Christmas - pm me either to let me know or to tell me you've posted here (in case it falls off threads I'm on). I'd be interested to know and then if you'd like, maybe give you some other tips....

Thanks sleep, will do x

goodasitgets Mon 09-Dec-13 14:03:17

Work stress probably. General life stress! Work is v v up and down, it's emergency services so constant adrenaline I guess

Obviously work stress is hard to avoid goodas smile. But it sounds to me like you probably have a lot of stress around food itself and that is what I would look at trying to change first for you. I would try and get you off a 'diet' altogether as a first step - bury the scales in the garden and try listening to what your body tells you it wants and just eating it - just for a few weeks. Scary huh? (by the way, if your response to that is 'yes', then I am probably bang on wink)

The other, emotional upheavals are also probably contributing of course...but I would look at those later.

goodasitgets Mon 09-Dec-13 15:13:09

Yes that's terrifying gringringrin
I adore toast with proper butter but haven't eaten it for years. And if probably eat nothing but carbs if left to my own devices

sad at a life devoid of toast and real butter smile!

With respect asgood, if you've been off carbs and exercising hard for years and you still aren't happy with your body, or enjoying food, I'd suggest that your approach, the one we all blindly accept as the recipe for a 'perfect' (whatever that means) body..isn't working for you and maybe you should try something else? hmm

goodasitgets Mon 09-Dec-13 15:50:24

The off carbs is since jan along with exercising. Had to have a break in April/may due to termination and wasn't able to exercise until sept due to back problem
So I've done the eating right previously and I've done the exercise but I need to get both in place without something cropping up
It has been working as I've lost over 2.5 stone

Fair enough, but for me, your OP is a bit worrying in how it suggests a level of control that isn't healthy and a loss of a sense of what is normal or what your body really needs. Whatever way of eating you feel is most suitable for you is fine by me (low carb, vegetarian, vegan, raw, as a nutritionist I don't really care if you feel genuinely healthy and happy and not like food rules your life), but it also needs to be sustainable and you need to enjoy the food you choose, it's not just a matter of nutrients and calories, feeling pleasure in what we eat is as important smile

Pinupgirl Mon 09-Dec-13 16:43:08

Having read more of your posts op I once again urge you to seek counselling-your problem is not eating but with all things going on in your life which are manifesting themselves in your eating and unhappiness with it.

Sleep...may I PM about my ds2 please?
He is 5 and his eating habits are starting to worry me...

Of course badvoc. smile

goodasitgets Mon 09-Dec-13 17:21:25

I definitely feel low carb works but it's when I go off it I lose the power to control (not binge)
Am cleaning - this is my stress reaction is to clean!

goodas when you use the term carbs in the sense of being a trigger food for you for binges, do you mean White, starchy carbs or any carbs, say a portion of brown rice? What else might trigger a binge?

goodasitgets Mon 09-Dec-13 18:03:28

Things that trigger (or ones I have noticed!)
Crisps, sweet yoghurt, toast, any form of bread, oat cakes, anything crunchy in a pack like biscuits/veg crisps, stuff like Jaffa cakes, sweets

Don't trigger - chips (because I don't cook them at home, cake (weirdly), corn cakes

I don't actually like rice, pasta I used to like, and I rarely are potatoes (except on top of cottage pie)

When I say binge, I mean I can't eat just one and put it away, I eat the whole bloody thing

Hi goodas, would you say you dont get the urge to binge at all when low carbing then? As in, is it solely those foods you mention that trigger a binge and not anything else (non food)? And when low carbing, how low do you go? Do you eat fruit like bananas, do you eat carbs like lentils, pulses, sweet potato?

goodasitgets Tue 10-Dec-13 15:49:48

Pretty much. I crave stuff like toast though! I eat sweet potato maybe once every few weeks and yes I eat bananas

So i guess what I am getting at is that if you crave carbs like toast, do you eventually binge? How often/When was the last time? I'm aware all this has nothing to do with your original OP by the way confused - tell me to get lost if you like! I can see how if you have trigger foods then they may be best avoided but I don't think that going on a diet is the best thing for a person with disordered eating...and when you are eating low carb you may actually be consuming plenty of food, but the days off you detail certainly sound like too little smile. Your weight loss may have stalled simply because you aren't eating enough.

goodasitgets Tue 10-Dec-13 16:36:35

No it's ok! Toast I haven't eaten for 10 months or so. It's really hard to describe - sometimes I just don't eat, sometimes it's the wrong thing

Typical low carb day
B - Greek yog/berries or egg/bacon
L - soup usually and cashew nuts as snack or piece of cheese
T - something like chicken stew (onions/sweetcorn/tomatoes/peppers)
I'm crap at eating veg so I make stews to kind of cram it it
Today would be a bad day - costa coffee and glass whey protein

If that's a typical day then you definitely need to eat more. The idea of low carbing is just that, its not low calorie, but the food you list would qualify as low calorie, particularly for someone of your height and activity levels. How is your hair, skin and digestion?

goodasitgets Tue 10-Dec-13 16:51:57

Hair and skin both brilliant at the moment! Digestion ok, I do get an upset stomach but I'm on iron tablets and meant to take them after a meal
I take multi vits, omega oil and a probiotic

and the bingeing, when was the last time/how often does it happen and could you identify why?

goodasitgets Tue 10-Dec-13 23:17:44

I'm not sure if what I class as binging is a binge or just normal confused
So today I would say I binged - I had a packet of walnut whips (small ones) and I ate the pack of 3 rather than just one

Reading your post did remind me to eat however so I have had a meal!

RalphRecklessCardew Wed 11-Dec-13 08:09:35

That's not a binge. That's not even in the neighbourhood of a binge.

I agree it's not what any people would consider a binge Ralph, but for me, the fact that goodas thinks it is shows that, as she herself suspects, her perception of 'normal' food consumption isnt most people's!

Goodas, I think if you feel better off without carbs then great, but I'd try and add a bit more protein to your lunch, have a proper dinner (ryvita and soft cheese doesn't qualify!), healthy snacks (fruit, nuts, avocado, eggs, a bit of dark choc, full fat Greek yoghurt, chicken/tuna) when you feel like it. And the occasional meal where anything goes, maybe toast and butter for breakfast once a week (personally I'd rather you added a slice of wholemeal toast to breakfast every day but understand if you feel uncomfortable with that right now), or a takeaway once a week. This will help you feel less deprived and get you closer to your true calorie requirement. EAT EVERY MEAL AS SLOWLY AS YOU CAN. Try, if only for a few weeks, to stop thinking about losing weight and eat what is going to nourish your body really well, stop weighing yourself, keep up the exercise and focus on fit and healthy, rather than arbitrary numbers on a machine. You look amazing and sound incredibly fit, but you are going to screw up your metabolism if you carry on eating so little - look after yourself smile

'Any people'....many people?

Ephiny Wed 11-Dec-13 11:29:45

In eating disorder self-help stuff, I've come across the concept of an 'objective binge', which is what happens with an eating disorder like bulimia, and means eating what most people would consider to be an unusual amount of food (e.g. thousands of calories) in a short time. However someone with anorexia, for example, might have a 'subjective binge' where they eat a couple of biscuits or something and feel that they've eaten an unacceptable amount, although to a 'normal' person it wouldn't seem excessive. The feeling of loss of control etc might be the same in both cases though.

What goodasitgets describes sounds like it's in the 'subjective' category to me.

goodasitgets Wed 11-Dec-13 12:01:47

That's what I feel. To me I should have eaten one of the chocolates and not had the others
Oatcakes I've stopped eating because I felt like I was eating too many (the biscuit type ones came in a pack of 6 and I ate all 6)

Yesterday improved, I had 2 eggs and bacon before training and Ryvita and soft cheese later on
I do actually need to go food shopping blush hence eating the Ryvita as there was nothing else in

goodasitgets Wed 11-Dec-13 19:05:33

Slightly better day. Using this thread as a sort of diary
Was all going to plan until hamster had a fit sad and I had to rush him to vets
So grabbed food on way there as I knew I was riding after. Had a pulled pork sandwich (because it looked nice!) and a flapjack. Coffee and nuts at home
Definitely identifying when I'm stressed or busy, I just drop food and drink tea (and smoke blush)

goodasitgets Thu 12-Dec-13 22:36:04

Still here!
My supermarket sweep of "what looked good" was a bit scary
Today I had curry for lunch, corned beef hash for tea

RalphRecklessCardew Fri 13-Dec-13 09:11:00

Good point Sleepwhenidie. I'd call a binge something like eating an entire (large) Christmas tin of Roses, but you're right to say that it's also about how it makes you feel.

Goodas I saw this blog and thought about you, some food for thought and ideas for healthy eating..

thisisnotadiet-itsmylife.com/2013/11/17/making-peace-with-the-f-word/

goodasitgets Sun 15-Dec-13 02:46:32

Thank you for the link. I was going to post I ate like a pig today but it's not that much so here goes
Protein shake breakfast
Lunch rice pudding (it looked nice!)
Tea at work - 2 prawn sandwiches on seeded bread
Snacks - 2 pieces angel cake, 5 quality street, portion sultanas/dried apple

Thank you for this thread OP from a fellow low carb pole
Fitness 5x week fan who is also confused about how much/little she eats....

goodasitgets Sun 15-Dec-13 15:36:22

Oh I wish I could go 5 times a week! (Although I bruise like crazy so maybe not) grin
I've only been doing it about 14 weeks but adore it, just got yogini, Gemini and Scorpio which made me happy

That's fab after 14 weeks wow! <high five>
I restarted after 4 years off: doing hook and switch inverts and bat/butterfly at the moment, failing to nail side climb because I'm bruised so much i look like a leopard grin.

This thread is really useful. I think I need more carbs: been under 50g a day for months and have pushed it to 100-130g as an experiment as weight still dropping off me at 1800 calories a day. Think I might have mucked my thyroid function up a bit. Anyway, sorry for hijack and hope tweaking your food works well for you smile

goodasitgets Sun 15-Dec-13 18:22:07

Hijack away smile
I haven't mastered side climb or shoulder mount yet, I find things like plank/thigh hold or anything to do with legs much easier

I agree. Leg hangs, any kind of inverted hook or thigh lock is always easier to crack than the strength moves.

Have you checked poledancedictionary.com/moves/?grin.

goodasitgets Sun 15-Dec-13 22:34:10

Yes I've been lurking on there! I got my flatline (once!) but not managed it again

Solidarity. That's a hard move. I am trying to nail side plank and plank from a sit.
Today's food: cold sausage and melon, double beef bacon cheese burger no fries in brioche (OMG scared of the evil wheats carbs), feta chorizo avocado spinach salad with broccoli.

I'll buddy up if it helps.

goodasitgets Mon 16-Dec-13 13:02:19

I really need to food shop!
Breakfast is 2 pieces seeded toast, taking a banana to the stables with me. Dentist this afternoon then food shop
Planning to get some fresh soups for lunches and chicken/roast veg for tea

Hi trucks, ime 100g of carbs a day is much more sustainable than 50g, especially if you are exercising a lot. Try and put the emphasis on whole food carbs though, rather than white/processed fwink.

goodas how are you feeling on non-diet diet (physically and mentally?)

Did you find you got freaked by the thought of eating bread/wheat when you were switching from low carb? It was eating sandwiches and toast and too many easy carbs that got me fat. Cutting bread and sugar out plus eating lots more fat sorted out the excess weight but now I'm starting to eat more carbs I'm still very wary of bread products...

In some ways it's easier to practice complete denial than moderation! I am eating the odd flatbread/tortilla wrap with protein but still scared of just toast! [pathetic]

Need to shop too; DH now off work so will be getting through a lot more food and with 3 yr old DS that means cooking a lot more meals. Whereas if its just me and DS it's much easier to not bother and just eat cheese and nuts and salad and bits when hungry as opposed to proper meals.

goodasitgets Mon 16-Dec-13 14:46:21

Scared. I have a lot more weight to lose

Tbh you're tall, and exercising a lot.
I would be blood sugar crashing all over the shop on toast and bananas and then nothing substantial til much later.

Handful of almonds (i carry a pack in bag) or peanut butter or hard boiled egg and chunk cheese would work better for me - I often skip breakfast til after I've worked out and eat at 11am instead, or just eat some nuts and an apple before/after exercise. Or full fat Greek yog with berries and nuts.

Lunch is big old spinach salad with protein like feta or chicken or ham plus avocado
or painful spinach and eggs.
Dinner green veg with meat or fish - bung salmon fillet or bag of drumsticks rolled in seasoning in oven, fry up a chop or steak.

I am actually still losing weight on this even though I'm trying to stabilise and maintain. There's the thing about going too low cal and screwing up your metabolism
So you end up having to eat like a bird forever more.
I'm kind of keen to swerve that....;)

Panful not painful spinach!!!

goodasitgets Mon 16-Dec-13 15:28:36

I know I need to eat more, it's definitely a problem. I find (and yes it's bad!) eating in front of the tv actually helps as I sort of shovel food in. If I look at what I'm eating, I eat a lot less

goodasitgets Mon 16-Dec-13 18:16:59

Well I've been and got food - kind of a mix of stuff!
Fresh soups for lunches at work, and seeded bread/corn cakes to have with tuna or egg
Raspberries to have with ff Greek yog
Roast chicken off the hot counter and some trays of roasted veg/cauli cheese
Cake. Because it looked nice grin and I don't tend to binge on that
Popcorn, cashew nuts for snacks

Ooh nice! That sounds delicious and nourishing!

Sounds good goodas!

Trucks your diet sounds great - if you don't mind me asking, why do you want to stabilise your weight now? Do you feel satifisfied, healthy and energised eating as you described? Any health, energy, mood or bingeing problems?

goodasitgets Mon 16-Dec-13 22:22:19

Will see how it goes! Am at pole tomorrow and Thurs then riding Friday before a weekend off

goodas I'm thinking about what you said about shovelling food in when you watch TV but not when you properly concentrate on the food...just to reiterate, the reason I suggested the no-diet diet and mindful eating was to try and get you listening to your body and eating as you need to. This takes lots of practice for most of us and I think you have to battle the voice in your head telling you to restrict food - or the voice telling you you need to eat more...and get better at tuning into how you feel. This is the same reason I asked Trucks the questions I just did - if you can listen to and provide your body with the nutrition it needs then you will find your healthy weight, which may be more or less than you think it should be but will be right and comfortable for you.

Interesting question. I'm 42, almost 5'7 and weigh 125lb - just under 9 stone. I started at 157lb in July and my goal was 10 stone - a weight I hadn't been since my late 20s. I did low carb, 5:2 and Shred. I found 5:2 fast days made me unhappy and stressed (am breast feeding) and the idea of 5:2 is you eat what you want 5x week but stay under 500 cals 2 x weekly.

The upsides were I learned to tube in to what real hunger felt like, and found I could exercise when fasting which rips through visceral abdominal fat like nothing else. The downsides were I felt unwell and obsessed with food.

I started looking more at paleo/ primal and research on fasting. I found that women often do better on shorter fasts - 14 hours, not longer but still gain benefits from resting the digestive system and tuning into body signals. I didn't want to disrupt my hormonal balance and so I experimented with 16:8 - basically starting to eat late morning and avoiding breakfast which is often wheat-y/carb/ baked goods/cereal based offerings. Instead I embraced work outs then brunch.

Maybe a few nuts or yog/berries or coconut oil and coffee before a heavy work out.

It worked well for me and I lost a lot of body fat. I'm now very lean and ripped - measured with callipers by a pro my body fat was 17 percent.

I don't want to go lower and risk early menopause.
I don't have time to eat slowly as am SAHM to autistic toddler. Food is eaten fast whilst doing other things and prepared fast. That is a regret but it's how life is

I am on the go all day. My hours exercise when I'm in my body without my brain whirring is my release. Food is pleasant fuel. I find it easier to be disciplined and say: I don't eat refined, or bread, or sugar than to moderate. I sometimes treat myself to sushi, or flatbread with a meal. Once in a blue moon a piece of dark choc or cherry dipped in dark choc. If I'm rushed I eat ultra low carb: ham and cheese and chicken and spinach. (I'm often rushed and will come in at 30g carbs)

I drink dry white wine most nights.
I am still getting used to my new body.
I look like a dancer now.
It still surprises me.
I don't want to go back but I'd like more time to enjoy my food.
Today I had: scrambled eggs in a wrap, pole class
No lunch. 2 drumsticks, a carrot, and broccoli with butter.
Lobster tails with spinach salad (live in Caribbean: it's cheap lobster season)

Not enough veg basically.
Not enough time!

Sorry that was a bit epic.
I also want to say: it's worlds away from when I ate not-low carb, when wheat featured in most meals. I was always tired, hungry, ratty.

I would say that way of eating was actually disordered: my blood sugar felt all over the place. I was carrying extra 2 stone, mostly round tummy and felt very tired and never satisfied even after lots of food.

Now food is just food. Very liberating!
But people think - even I think sometimes - that not eating bread and processed and sugar is disordered.
It's a fine line between super tough 'I eat meat fish veg dairy nuts fruit' and 'ok I will eat a sandwich to look normal/save time/fit in' - I think I'm struggling with moderation. Low carb which means losing weight is safe ground. I don't know how to balance it.

This month my period never came. That worries me.

Just uploaded pic.
Too thin? I've lost track of what is reasonable: too much hanging round with dancers and triathletes/fitness fiends.

goodasitgets Tue 17-Dec-13 07:39:02

I think you look fab, not too thin

Trucks you look amazing. I understand why you don't want to get any leaner though. I am 40 and when my bf was about the same as yours I started to feel like my face looked gaunt and older, so as you age there's a trade off!

Avoiding bread, processed food and sugar (note the term avoiding, not treating like it will kill you at 20ft wink) is definitely not disordered eating, it's sensible grin - they don't have much to offer anyone nutritionally compared to many other foods. You can feel the difference Trucks, you know what not eating them has done not just for your figure but your energy, mood and health. So don't worry what anyone else says. Having said that, those foods can offer us pleasure, which is also important, so if you really want a cake or a piece of toast occasionally, then you should have one. Personally I can take or leave pasta, rice potatoes, cake etc, but I miss bread too much if I try not to eat it...and so most days I have one or two slices of granary bread and no other processed carbs.

Trucks I would really try to stop skipping meals. Have a protein shake made with milk (almond or coconut milk is nice) a banana and some nut butter for breakfast if you are going to work out. Also try and keep snacks handy to grab when you need/want them...avocados, little tin of tuna in oil, bananas, nuts, hard boiled egg, chopped raw veg and houmous, cheese, Greek yog and berries, oatcakes and peanut butter, roast chicken breast. Up your carbs and calorie intake a bit.

Re your period, I would't stress too much about anything you have done being the cause. It's true that 5:2 can cause chaos with women's hormones (as can severe calorie restriction) but it doesn't sound like you did it for a sustained time. Also with body fat, it's more around 14% and below that periods are usually affected. It's much more likely that your cycle is getting a bit more erratic due to age, many women find this happens post-40, sort of a pre-cursor to peri-menopause...depressing I know. It doesn't necessarily mean you can't get pg though as I'm sure many mums will attest grin

goodasitgets Tue 17-Dec-13 09:11:01

I had two pieces of seeded toast and marmite for breakfast
Brought fresh mushroom soup for lunch, chunk of cheese, cashew nuts and a banana
Will have a protein shake later as at pole and can't eat until 9pm

goodas it sounds like you are making some great choices after the slight flip out with cakes etc in the initial couple of days when you followed the ' whatever I want' approach smile. Don't you think it's weird how, when we stop seeing food as good or bad, allowed or banned, that we stop wanting the 'bad' stuff quite as much and feel we want the 'good' stuff more, given free choice?

goodasitgets Tue 17-Dec-13 11:21:34

I'm not convinced yet grin
Feeling murderous today after no sleep, and someone eating cup a soup in the office - it stinks
Am funny about stuff like that, hate eating noises, hate people watching me eat

Hate eating noises too, even my own. Other people chewing makes me want to run out the room.
Hate eating in silence.
Sympathies on lack of sleep.
Can I ask, if you are/were happy low carb, why you're not doing it at the mo?

goodasitgets Tue 17-Dec-13 14:53:30

I was struggling sticking to it - I think I just went off food totally so I stopped eating hmm
Came off it to try and get some appetite back
Just signed up for a free metafit course and a free PT session blush oops

goodasitgets Tue 17-Dec-13 14:57:02

Wow look at you! You taking it all on your arms or going into a hook hang?
Do you use static or spinning pole? I learned on static but am now trying spinning: having to relearn all my moves!

Got class tonight: routine to Santa Baby. The dancing is the best bit for me - love the training and strength work but its great to just dance together and jam a bit.

goodasitgets Tue 17-Dec-13 16:18:18

Done a bit of both but mainly static pole
Hard to see in photo but I have hold of left foot with left hand.. I think next thing is letting go!

goodasitgets Tue 17-Dec-13 17:25:50

I just made a good food choice grin

Breakfast - seeded toast and marmite
Lunch - (I know, I know) 3 tablespoons ish of soup, chunk cheese and handful cashews
Just now - tin tuna, spring onions and mayo on corn cakes (yum)

Mary2010xx Tue 17-Dec-13 17:47:13

Trucks, sounds the right sort of weight - about 9 stone looks great for most women unless they are very tall.

Today I have had 3 egg yolks and 4 slices of fired bacon - breakfast.
Late lunch of apiece of salmon and tin of smoked oysters with courgettes and peppers with spinach with butter on the side and then some cheese. I think I do eat more than most women but I each pretty good foods, no alcohol, no drink and more importantly high animal fat, medium protein and low carb/ almost paleo/primal seems to make me feel very happy and virtually never get ill so it must be working.

goodasitgets Wed 18-Dec-13 13:25:37

Today

B - beans and cheese on toast, cup of tea
Snack - cup of tea
Lunch - about 1/4 tub fresh bean soup and a banana
Snack - oops. Mince pie, dairy milk, cup of tea

^ that is not v much?
How you feeling?
I will post mine:
Greek ff yog and berries 8am
Sushi tuna box 11am
2 chicken drumsticks 1pm
Sushi salmon box 5pm
Roast chicken and spinach/avocado salad 8pm
2 glasses dry white

More than I usually eat, and food was eaten more frequently than usual but was hungry.
Yesterday was not v hungry and came in about 1600 calories plus did 1hr dance class in evening so woke up needing food.

goodasitgets Thu 19-Dec-13 00:44:24

I feel ok actually. Had a protein shake later - my fallback when I'm struggling to eat
Drank loads more water which is something I've wanted to do for a while. Not hungry. Headache this morning (I was upset and crying last night which I think caused it)
I have some cold roast chicken so thinking I might make that into sandwiches for work tomorrow

Sorry to hear you've been sad.
Hope things improve soon brew

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