The Paul McKenna Thread Number 13 ~ the Good Luck Number! A Simple Title, for Simple Weight Loss and All amongst Friends!!

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Solo Wed 11-Sep-13 14:49:47

Welcome to thread 13 of the Paul McKenna's I Can Make You Thin weight loss system.

The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded friendly support system are:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. After all, eating a meal is not a competition, it's about enjoying what you are putting into your mouth, but not feeling bloated and uncomfortable (or guilty) afterwards!
Many people have issues around food. Many of us have been brought up by the 'clear your plate' parents of yesteryear which leave us feeling guilty if we leave even the smallest morsel of food, but we are working through this guilt or any other hang up we may have, and we are learning to leave a bit on the plate; return to it another time if we really want to or even feed it to the dog or the bin!
So!! forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions. This is a new way of living for your brand new life!! Let's get lighter for those Christmas outfits!!

The Paul McKenna system really works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to and listening to the cd's can really focus you.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

You don't have to buy the book and CD, but we have found that they do help and somehow they keep you on track, so it would probably be a good investment and will cost you far less than a couple of trips to WW or SW meetings, so do consider having them in your life.

Please feel free to join us, whether it's 10lbs or 10 stones you want to lose.
We are friendly, supportive and successful, but we're not hungry and that is a great way to feel when you are dropping dress sizes at the same time!!! so come on in and start living your new life today and make 2013 your year to drop a dress size or several...if we can get those lbs off a few at a time, just think how we could look and feel for Christmas and The New Year!!!
Some of our thread members are also doing PMK's Virtual Gastric Band and although this thread is not about this avenue, we will still be supportive of our friends partaking of this, so don't think we wont be there for you. I'm pretty sure that the Golden Rules will be just as helpful in this process as the I Can Make You Thin process smile so get stuck in smile

ppeatfruit Wed 11-Sep-13 15:58:06

HOORAAAAY I'M FIRST ON THE NEW THREAD !!!!! Thank you soo much solo grin grin] grin

Solo Wed 11-Sep-13 16:12:07

Whoop! Whoop!!! grin welcome ppeatfruit <bows very low!>

HaveALittleFaith Wed 11-Sep-13 19:15:32

Well hello! grin Thanks solo!

Rules Wed 11-Sep-13 20:52:16

Thanks Solo grin I'm going to treat this as a reboot for me too.

Solo Wed 11-Sep-13 22:58:04

Yup! me too Rules! especially as once again, my braces have been adjusted and I can't chew anything! so...it's mainly ready brek and soup! marvelous!

ppeatfruit Thu 12-Sep-13 09:45:03

Morning all new threaders grin how are you HaveA?

Solo I read your braces have been adjusted and was thinking about boots and braces of trousers grin not teeth grin!! Oh they're vile Ds had them, aren't you a little,ahem, mature for braces on your teeth?

Rules Thu 12-Sep-13 11:19:04

Nooooo.....your never too old for braces....look at all the celebs. Brad Pitt for one.

Rules Thu 12-Sep-13 11:21:22

meant Tom Cruise...blush

ppeatfruit Thu 12-Sep-13 12:02:16

IMO Madge with train tracks is not a pretty sight (and I'm assuming she doesn't need them just can't think what to waste her money on next,wish I had that problem hmm).

HaveALittleFaith Thu 12-Sep-13 15:40:17

Not bad thanks pp! Suffering a bit after cheekily having non safe chips on Monday - I am so sensitive to wheat now! Faithlet's sleep is variable but not horrendous considering we're in a caravan and things are very different.

I had braces in my mid teens but I'd totally have them as an adult if I hadn't. Well worth it! grin

Rules Thu 12-Sep-13 21:10:45

Lots of people have them later in life now. I have a couple of friends who have them as well.
Went wedding dress shopping with my daughter today but we didn't find any that were "the one". We went to Chester a couple of weeks ago and every shop we went in had more or less the same thing. We may have to get one made.

veryberrybug Thu 12-Sep-13 21:10:49

hoorah & tally-ho for the shiny new thread! hello everyone, lovely to be back after a few days away from the thread.

had a bit of a crappy time between marital strife (his shop's moving premises which he is refitting himself while doing other job too, & the books are due at the accountants last month, so probably stress-related!) & two more really painful back spasms (upper this time: hurt to breathe type) but after various rubber-ball-rolling, stretching, ice-packs & painkillers, & then the final cure = a deep massage, i'm feeling more like my old self <phew> i really don't cope well with pain & especially getting more anxious cos i couldny do deep breathing relaxation, so was sometimes, ok, often just heading for sweet sweet nectar to get me through, but also i noticed that when i had, i then wasny hungry again for ages & missed dinner, so it seems to have balanced.

still feel i'd like to be more mindful eating, though now i'm better at reading signals than i have been for a long time smile i guess stress leads me to be living in my head (reliving last shouting match/ inventing next one sigh) so mostly been relying on being a better judge of portion size. but BREAKTHROUGH i've found myself able to leave a wee stupid useless last bite!!! grin before i could leave either enough for another meal later (i.e. good-sized portion) or nothing.

pp moussaka, white sauce & homemade bread <mmm>: do you want to come & live with me & be my housekeeper & cook for me & clean my leather sofa with lavender oil? grin <she said wafting about like lady of the manor> wink

ppeatfruit Thu 12-Sep-13 21:16:53

veryberry grin Okay where d'you live!!

Solo Fri 13-Sep-13 00:12:37

Nooooooooooo...!! not too mature ta muchly! Lots of older people are having it done nowadays. My dentist is footing the bill too for his post grad something or other, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it grin<----straight teeth!wink

veryberrybug Fri 13-Sep-13 14:00:25

pp i'm in edinburgh, i'll pummel you into submission pay you in massages <heheh> though unsure of similarity to tue na massage you liked... something a bit fishy there... wink

ppeatfruit Sat 14-Sep-13 13:25:59

very I LOVE Edinburgh we go to the Festival sometimes. Watch out we'll be popping in grin. My fave restaurant in the world is Valvona and Crolla's (stealth boast alert) we know them grin.

Oddly DS is a masseur, current DIL is a masseuse and ex DIL too!!!! weird doncha think!

Solo lucky you with your student dentist grin

puddingprincess Sun 15-Sep-13 22:00:50

Just back from holiday hope everyone is great smile
Massive breakthrough whilst abroad for the first time in my life I wore a bikini!whoooo smile
and I didn't criticise myself and ate everything I wanted smile happy days smile xx

ppeatfruit Mon 16-Sep-13 08:54:47

Morning grin Brilliant news pudding grin Congratulations!!!!

Rules Mon 16-Sep-13 14:11:59

Morning Ladies,

Hows everyone doing?

ppeatfruit Mon 16-Sep-13 15:44:46

Doing well thanks grin Rules and you?

Rules Mon 16-Sep-13 16:28:36

Good thanks. Just been to gym.

ppeatfruit Tue 17-Sep-13 16:02:24

C'est tranquille ATM grin I hope everyone's enjoying their hols. grin

HaveALittleFaith Tue 17-Sep-13 17:13:00

Bonjour. I am home. Did well on holiday, actually lost 2lb. We were quite active in the day. Not so good now I'm home, I'm comfort eating confused Listened to the CD last night, will try to do that each night and borrow an exercise DVD off my sister - running is tricky with settling Faithlet and now it's dark when she goes to sleep!

How is everyone else?

Rules Tue 17-Sep-13 18:35:39

what hols?

Rules Tue 17-Sep-13 18:40:28

sorry that was to pp . Is everyone on hols?

ppeatfruit Wed 18-Sep-13 08:56:08

HaveALittle (congrats on the 2lbs off btw) WAS on hols rules

Iam not the greatest lover of summer but I HATE the evenings drawing in now. I lit the woodburner for the ist time this year for 2 nights running now shock Here it's worse when the clocks go forward we're in pitch effing dark most of the morning AAAAAh

veryberrybug Wed 18-Sep-13 10:30:49

oh dear having a fat arse day sad choosing to wear big baggy jumper instead of neat denim jacket. it's just no happening fast enough for me. been looking at 5:2 fasting, thinking i could still be Pauling on 5 days... help! don't like the desperate feeling blush

Rules Wed 18-Sep-13 12:33:34

very I confess, I tried it once and it totally screwed with my head. It brought on the diet mentality. With the 5:2.....16:8 all your doing is basically cutting out calories if you add it up over a week.

Rules Wed 18-Sep-13 12:36:39

and seriously, how can you do Pauling when your also starving yourself??? It's the road back ti disorder eating. It's a passing fad just like full Atkins. Everyone says its wonderfull but a year down the line they will have regained the weight when they stop starving/ dieting two days a week.sad

Rules Wed 18-Sep-13 12:39:27

very you may need to relearn what being genuinely hungry is.....go without food until you really really need it....that might help u get back on track. That's what I'm doing now.....started yesterday and my eating is better. Think of bullshit she did it.

Rules Wed 18-Sep-13 12:42:08

pp sorry for confusion. You said its quite and for everyone to enjoy their hols. Thought it was school hols again.

Rules Wed 18-Sep-13 12:42:23

quiet

HaveALittleFaith Wed 18-Sep-13 12:46:55

My cousin-in-law did 5:2 and it made him really ill. He's very active (teaches karate after a fairly physical job). His wife said he became quite aggressive and even faint at times. They managed for about 6 weeks before jacking it in. If you're Pauling right you don't need to starve yourself!

I am trying harder with Pauling. I have dug out my Curves book for food ideas - I got stuck in a carb heavy rut simply because that's all we had in the house so then that's all I bought IYSWIM? I've done an online shop with ingredients for balanced meals and stuff for smoothies for breakfast. I'm not going to calorie count using Curves but follow the principles of balanced food choices and having healthier snacks to hand if I do get peckish.

veryberrybug Wed 18-Sep-13 14:28:28

aw cheers rules & faith thank goodness for youse & the moment of insanity passing!! shock cany believe i was actually considering that!! good to hear from horses mouths how bad it really is, as it seems only good reviews pop up when you need a balanced view. i waited until i felt hungry & then thought about it again, considered not being allowed to eat at that point, & decided i like my food too much it would be torture! so then i sat & very mindfully enjoyed a maple pecan pastry thing with a cup of tea & felt a whole lot better. seriously, i cany believe how much better! & subsequently havny been hungry for lunch... i think it's the stopping when you're no longer hungry as opposed to full i need to work on. i really like the satisfied feeling, & am loathe to stop before that or it feels like diet days.

funnily enough i'm doing a curves recipe for tea: beef stroganoff (but full-fat) & just prepped about a million veggies to add in. think i'm going to need more beef grin

new job has begun & i love it! baby is gorgeous. i really hope the big cycle to & from his house will burn some more lard off, did ~1hr round trip yesterday & uphill all the way home. but then was sooo hungry. ate my lunch with a half hour pause in the middle, decided i was hungry again (having plated it up) & finished mini sandwich #2. i'm not sure how extra exercise can help when i just end up more hungry?? hmm

Rules Wed 18-Sep-13 14:54:31

exercise tones and builds muscles and therefore reduces visible lardy fat.grin

Rules Wed 18-Sep-13 14:56:07

and after exercise your body needs protein to build muscles and therefore it wants more food

ppeatfruit Wed 18-Sep-13 17:30:30

Yes Rules is right and if you eat WHEN you're hungry and STOP when you're full you'll lose weight even quicker with the extra exercise I know that I do !! I have to say woah 'cos I don't want to look haggard which at my age is quite possible grin!!

Rules Fri 20-Sep-13 23:46:56

Just keeping this thread on my radar. Have not eaten a lot today but have eaten a bit mindlessly and don't feel that I have enjoyed eating what I had. Tomorrows a new day and will remember to eat mindfully.

ppeatfruit Sat 21-Sep-13 10:09:28

IKWYM Rules It's soo much tastier when you actually TASTE the food isn't it? grin.

Rules Sat 21-Sep-13 11:42:56

Yep, it is. smile

Solo Sat 21-Sep-13 18:35:43

<sigh> I'm hungry and I cannot chew right now! sad It's another mug of soup for me!!

Rules Sat 21-Sep-13 19:59:52

Hi Solo, are you losing weight with the "braces" diet still?? smile

veryberrybug Sun 22-Sep-13 12:39:24

hello all.

after my wobble & your words of wisdom helped set me straight, i still found that the idea of dieting again totally messed with my mindset & i found myself bingeing again, which has reminded me just how much dieting fucked my head up. i've found myself getting that bloodsugar slump: you know when you go from fine to suddenly hungry? & i remember PM describing hunger coming on as gradual, so i thought about it & it definitely wasny emotional hunger so, sugar peaks & troughs fits the bill. i've returned to normal Pauling eating (what a relief). i've also been watching the series "the men who made us fat" & "the men who made us thin" BBC documentaries on youtube which are very interesting & enlightening, it's interesting to see the bigger picture about the power big industry has in shaping our lives, & how appallingly bad diet statistics really are! so back to religiously Pauling, i think i need to focus more specifically & less generally if i want this to work faster.

Rules Sun 22-Sep-13 19:04:35

I too find that even thinking about going on a "diet" messes with my head very and I get that binge feeling as well until I settle back down again. Its hard because that is the way we have been conditioned all our lives.

veryberrybug Sun 22-Sep-13 19:24:12

it's so unfair isn't it rules when diets condition you to expect weightloss of 2+ lbs per week, but then never work longterm. Pauling isn't nearly so fast but i think with my recent rediscovery of the bingeing headfuck i've remembered how much more favourable a way of life it is. i think i have a tendency to stop noticing stuff when it's become the norm, so though initially i was all chuffed at how much pleasure i was getting from eating, i got used to that & stopped noticing it, instead moving to focus on a negative. so i'll be saying to myself "never mind a vague ooh i'll concentrate on Pauling more i need to ask how is this actual mouthful?_" & remind myself it will be slow, but _not painful!!

Rules Sun 22-Sep-13 19:39:02

It does seem unfair that we have had to go through our lives dieting to get the figure that we believe will make everything in our lives perfect.....if only we can get skinny enough!!!! Thing is though, if you have a daughter, you don't want to pass this onto her so its important to sort this out once and for all before you pass the wrong torch to her.

ppeatfruit Mon 23-Sep-13 09:41:34

Though rules the DDs don't nec. pick it up from family, there are enough of their friends,magazines TV shows and on line etc. to influence them harmfully sad

Although to look on the bright side those things can also have positive effects grin .You just have to hope they learn the right way way eventually. Morning all BTW nice to see some action on here again grin

Rules Mon 23-Sep-13 22:04:23

You can pick up bad messages from the media that's true but its then up to us to balance that out. But generally the way a daughter feels about her body comes from the mothers attitude to her own body and her daughters as she is growing. If you have food issues as a mum then your daughter generally picks up on it and has her own food issues as she grows up. This seems to be what I have found amongst my friends anyway.

HadALittleFaith Tue 24-Sep-13 07:02:10

You're absolutely right. Actually my issues don't come from the media but from my relationship with my Mum. She meant well - she was a fat teenager and didn't want that for me but putting me on a diet from about 9 years old created a binge/purge cycle I'm still struggling to break 20 years on. I've been struggling a lot with my post-pregnancy body and am feeling low so I've got my GP to refer me for counselling. I want to improve on this for Faithlet's sake. I'm also planning to do BLW because this encourages a healthy relationship with food.

ppeatfruit Tue 24-Sep-13 10:05:26

sad HadA 9 is a crucial age; our DD1 started putting on weight at 9 but I kept quiet, no diets or anything and then at 18 she just decided herself to watch what she ate (she DID start smoking at uni 'cos her friends suggested it was a good way to lose though sad) she's fine now.Though her new highly stressful job has possibly got her smoking again.

You've got a good opportunity to have a Paul Mckenna baby after all we bf and ff when they're hungry you just continue with BLF.

Rules I find that whatever we say to our DCs they are inclined to do the opposite during the teenage years. Of course i forget DH has always done stupid cambridge type Diets and got fatter! So they would've noticed that I suppose. I'm not forgetting that i've been on Ways of Eating too for health though!

veryberrybug Tue 24-Sep-13 10:46:55

morning all!

yes it's a minefield dealing with these issues WRT kids: i'm adopting the policy of knowledge is power so i'm telling my kids i'm unhappy with my body just now because i'm unhealthily overweight for my height & build & this gives me potential bad health, & it doesny feel nice, it's harder to be active. then i say to them "remember how grumpy & greedy i was when i was on that diet, & now look i'm fatter than before because it made me just want to pig out all the time" & tell them i'm relearning how to eat like them because it's naturally right! i've been watching the documentaries with DD1 & she sees the bigger picture now (was especially interested in the WWII experiment PM mentions in book which was also on program, describing how people's mentality changed to desperate & quite frankly bonkers from the caloric deprivation)& actually said "mum i'm glad you just let me have one cookie not the whole packet because it was a nice treat & i feel sorry for X (the fat kid in her class) because it must be really hard to run about & enjoy yourself". time will tell if i've fucked her up, but i really feel for all you guys who've been put on diets as kids - that's awful.

i suppose we all tend to parent our own childhoods: mine's was that my mum was plagued by depression & anxiety her whole life & they never thought to tell my sister & i; now i feel ashamed of how i sometimes was as a teenager because i never knew how broken she was emotionally & that she couldny deal with me because of her, not me. so i tell my kids if there's something going on which affects how i react to stuff, because i credit them with the intelligence to learn about understanding the human condition. jings we're complicated!

faith hope the counselling helps. i found it did, though it can be uncomfy bringing up old stuff, but it's like cleaning the grit out of a wound so it can heal properly - worth it in the end. also CBT made a massive difference to my thought patterns: i learnt how to balance them better when depressive thinking set in spiralling down, to challenge my assumptions etc. all good stuff if you can get it & put the effort in smile

HadALittleFaith Tue 24-Sep-13 10:56:54

berry I think you're doing a fantastic job! smile

I've had counselling before so I'm confident it will help. I seem to need a top up every couple of years!

ppeatfruit Tue 24-Sep-13 11:58:26

You're ALL doing fantastically !! TBH we're all lucky to have found a WOE that supports the emotional side of it. 'cos basically that's what overeating is about isn't it?

Although my DM tried very hard to overcome her neglectful childhood ;she definitely punished herself quite a bit (she was with my dad after all that was punishment in itself, he wasn't physically abusive but we found out after his death he shagged anything that moved).

Rules Wed 25-Sep-13 13:34:44

Your so right pp. smile Your poor Mum.....did you get on with your Dad? And...what was your childhood like?

Solo Wed 25-Sep-13 23:19:42

Hi all! I'm having a tough time atm. I've been eating rubbish for the sake of it today. Feel like I did premenstrual except that I haven't seen Aunty since Nov/Dec! so not sure what's going on really.
I need to focus and sort myself out.
I only have until Monday to say that I'm a Prison Officer. I have mixed feelings about it and I'm more than a little worried about getting a new job sorted.

My Dd is 6.9yo and has on more than one occasion told me she's fat sad which is a description that couldn't be further from the truth as she's amazingly slim! it has to be coming from her peers.

ppeatfruit Thu 26-Sep-13 09:39:44

sad solo Ah yes the end of yr. job is approaching! Sounds like you need a bit of hormone balancing. Dong Quoi supplement is brilliant for that (sorry I'm Dr. PP again!) DD2 is here ATM and she's regulating her hormones with an iodine stick on that's working really well for her! WRF to DDs saying they're fat IMO it's their little bellies that make them say that i know GD says the same at that age too.

Rules I remember that we saw more of our male lodger than our dad and he was sweet. Mum made made sure we had a secure loving childhood (and she did succeed because we're fairly normal; I don't reckon anyone is 'normal' do you?) Though we moved around a lot. I say we 'cos my dsis and I were born within 13 months of each other. How about yours?

veryberrybug Thu 26-Sep-13 13:13:15

thanks faith & it's lovely having the chance to do it all again with the wee baby i'm minding. i make mistakes (as we all do) but have a lot to give. yey!

aw pp that's hard finding out negative stuff about your dad after he's dead, that he's maybe not who you thought he was.

solo that's tricky with DD, if it was me i'd try & pin her down a bit more: where does she think she's fat? which bodies is she comparing herself to? etc looking at photos of eg. catalogue kids to see if her perception of herself is skewed. but as pp said it's probably just looking down at her little tum, & a few reassurances that "no you're just the right shape for your age" will do the job. WRT job title ending, yes change is remarkably unnerving isn't it. i've gone from being SAHM for 13 yrs to starting nannying & a new course in the same fortnight & i've come out in wee patches of eczema (my stress coming out) despite the fact i love both things & wanted to do them! i should recommend the course to you - life coaching - because it's making the mountain i need to climb seem less overwhelming by getting me to focus on what i can do just this week: baby steps are manageable & they'll get me there. doing it as a course is literally 10X cheaper than seeing a life coach 1:1, we work in a group & pairs etc.

hoorah i seem to have got my eating back on track again, i'd slipped into unconscious fast chewing without realising, though i was still eating only when hungry & eating what i wanted. so now i'm noticing every flavour again. smile that paired with cycling to & from new job & course have served to lift my mood immensely grin i know we're not calorie-counting but i used a calorie-burning calculator & found i'd used 848 cal merely getting to & from where i had to be!! what a boost, beats paying for bus & sitting (probably eating wink) feeling my arse getting fatter LOL

rules how are you doing? still struggling or settling down a bit?

Solo Thu 26-Sep-13 16:30:12

I don't know pp DD has no belly! she has no fat on her!

I'm just looking for a new job now! it's daunting because the last 3 jobs I've had, I've kind of fallen into! the first I did for 2.6 years, the second for over 4 years, and this one I started in 1996...even if you take away the break I took, I still worked there for 11 years! I am scared!

Rules Thu 26-Sep-13 22:04:00

Its not easy Solo. I left my job because I could see the chap who owned it was getting into debt and had outstanding bills. I managed a posh ladies boutique and loved the job. I have been offered a couple of jobs since but all the fashion retails positions now seem to be on 16 hours or less, (usually less and like 4 or 6 hour a week contracts) which is stupid. Im doing a lot of research and hoping to start my own business next year.

Solo Thu 26-Sep-13 23:03:58

Yes Rules, I've even considered that with my redundancy money. I have so much to put right on my house though, that if I started my own business, I couldn't repair my home...and if I did and it went south, I'd have no money, no business and a very broken house.
I'm looking at caring for elderly people in their own homes or not...<stupidly crap pay though>

ppeatfruit Fri 27-Sep-13 10:57:35

Morning all grin very We didn't have many illusions about Dad because we have 2 half sibs. and he had a wife that he tried to keep secret right at the beginning of my parents' relationship shock His life was just like a bad soap actually!!

The cycling sounds good (you're lucky if you've got good cycle paths I'm a coward me!). So you're doing a life coach course not a nannying one? I found out cutting out oranges and orange juice cured my eczema try it for a week grin and see what happens.

Just thinking aloud here Solo ; what if you worked for yourself as a carer then you could charge more (there are older people who can afford to pay more for a" better than the council" type service surely?)

Rules How about personal styling? If you're in the type of area. grin

Rules Fri 27-Sep-13 13:52:14

Oooo pp. I would love to do that. Was looking at training courses yesterday actually. grin

Rules Sat 28-Sep-13 00:01:18

Hi Ladies,

Im good thanks very and I have stopped weighing myself these last 3 weeks and guess what......I have not gained weight and have even lost a couple of pounds. I hated getting overly reliant on the scales as they make you feel "shitty".

Hows everyone else today.?

I have also started walking half an hour each evening just as the sun is setting. Up lots of hills so really good workout and get to have a chat with the sheep and cows and pick lovely autumnal flowers. Lovely.

Rules Sat 28-Sep-13 23:30:36

Evening All

Hope your all ok and managing to keep Pauling. I went to Tesco tonight and they have a 20% off clothes just this weekend just in case anyone wants to know. No use to you I know pp. smile

veryberrybug Sun 29-Sep-13 01:06:18

LOL i got suckered into sainsbo's 25%off TU clothing & got a reduced bra even cheaper! great, i thought, a bit of floral balcony underjoy just for me. turns out i'm glad it was only £3, bloody thing rubbing me underarm bulges with it's fecking glamourous boning <tsh!>!! ah well there's a lesson learnt: don't try to be fat & secretly gorgeous underneath!! <pfft> it's ok girls i'm laughing through my chafed seething grin

eating very Paul today <yey> ryvita seemed strangely appealing at lunchtime when i wasny hungry til 3pm. thought we better stop for lunch as DD2 had meltdown (though they never get hungry??) i think she's just allergic to chores... wink for tea: me dad's old recipe for potato pancake with secret raisins in <mmm> DD1 was pleasantly surprised!!

rules i've felt better too abandoning scales & esp. food diary: bad diety feeling to that... hurrah for freedom again!

pp you sound rather unperterbed & well-balanced despite your dad's soap opera dodgings... good for you.

veryberrybug Sun 29-Sep-13 01:13:19

p.s pp thanx for OJ tip i'll try it. i just found previously that stress was better out than in (homeopathy worked that way for me: a lot of puss & itching later me mentals are the best thay've ever been!) but i suppose it doesny hurt to try sth different...
& cycle paths in edinburgh are shite!! red stripe at the edge of the road if you're lucky, which disappears periodically. so it's me, my pink hi-vis vest, & the buses. eep! no so bad until they add tram lines for me wheels to get wedged in sigh

Solo Sun 29-Sep-13 02:45:33

Very it might be ok after washing. I bought some new M&S ones that did the same and left a big red line around my underarm. Washed them and they are fine!

Rules Sun 29-Sep-13 03:35:46

Solo very......glad its not just me that's up late. Im waiting for my son whose 21 (but still my baby) to come home. He had a row with his sister in town tonight (she is 23) and he went off. She came home in her car but I don't know where he is. Not that she cares. Miss Bitch she is at times!!! (grrrr)

Rules Sun 29-Sep-13 03:37:15

very....bras are sometimes very badly cut. Some cheapies are amazing and some expensive ones are crap. Ive just ordered three in the M & S sale at 50% off. Hope they fit.

ppeatfruit Sun 29-Sep-13 09:56:43

Morning all grin WRF to bras. I used to measure myself and have myself measured until noticing relatively recently that my bras NEVER fitted me (because the measurers were incorrect shock) So since losing I've dropped a size and am happy using the new way of measuring which was on here BTW and makes much more sense!

You're very welcome very WRF to our "rogue male" dad it's no use letting that type of thing blight yer life IMO!! We did well out of it in the end 'cos he died intestate which COULD have been terrible because his then woman friend falsified a will (even bribed his siblings to sign it!!!) But we took her to court and won!!!

Rules I am a boycotter of the retail chain you mentioned!! But thanks for thinking of me!

veryberrybug Sun 29-Sep-13 10:46:36

rules did your boy get home ok?

pp blimey that is soap drama shock some people are unscrupulous eh?

WRT bras: the annoying thing is i've got loads of nice ones which are too wee just now, & i keep refusing to spend good ££ on a good big one because i hope i'll no be in it for long... & then i am sigh usually i go for the same shape but i just went for a slight variation because it was there, pretty, my size & cheap. cheers solo i'll try washing it.

does/did anyone else have this problem i have with not wanting to spend ££ on fat clothes because i shouldn't be this size & don't intend to be for long, but then finding you've bugger all to wear & are still fat? i've now been overweight for 7 years (6.5 of them dieting) & think now maybe i should've had more than 2 pairs of troos that fit me at any one time, but still am loathe to buy them because i'm convinced i'll be thin before too long (then in the back of my head all previous disappointments lurk saying "believe it when we see it")...

Solo Sun 29-Sep-13 11:23:22

YES!!! very I feel just like that! I have bought some bigger sizes and my friend (the one that had weight loss surgery) has just given me some bigger sizes (sad really for me because she has never ever been a smaller size than me before) which is great, but also disappointing!
I also got my measurement from the bra threads pp and it is fab (if huge!) and M&S are one of the few places that had reasonably priced 34G's so I had to buy from there!

I have been out two nights running (hence being awake far too late last night/this morn) for leavers do's with work and I'll tell you; I feel like the granny out with the grandchildren most of the time. All the girls (even the ones in my age group) in their short dresses (used to be me!) and me in my can'tcovermybodyupenough clothing sad and my feet are killing me! and I suspect that the extra weight is partly the reason I can't stand heels these days.
Soooooooooo! tomorrow is my last day as a Prison Officer (I'm not in, but still) and from Tuesday, I'm going to start my new life. I'm going to get this weight off (approximately 28lbs, maybe more depending on how I feel), I'm going to try to do an amount of exercise each day at least on the exercise bike and I'm going to get my home into a half decent state!

Rules hope your son got home safe and sound.

Oh yes! I have a cold!!

HadALittleFaith Sun 29-Sep-13 11:39:36

very definitely! Especially post baby. I bought two pairs of trousers in a 16 with elastic ages waists (ew) to keep me going. Now they're getting a bit baggy but my normal 14s don't fit. No idea what to do.

I actually think I'm doing a bit better. I've been feeding my Dad's tortoise while he's away and walked to his house most days. It's about 10 minutes there then I walk a different way back, maybe 15 minutes. Faithlet falls asleep in the pram and I get fresh air and exercise. I've even declined cake because I wasn't hungry! Holding off weighing myself for now.

Rules Sun 29-Sep-13 20:03:41

very if I were you I would go and spend a reasonable thrifty amount on a capsule wardrobe in a larger size that fits you as you are and who you are now. When you have some nice clothes that actually fit you and all go together then dressing becomes a pleasure each day and you are no longer focused on losing weight before you allow yourself to look good. By waiting for the weightloss you are waiting to live your best self. In fact people have said that when they allowed themselves to dress for the size they are now that they no longer stressed about their weight, size or food intake as much because they looked good and consequently they lost weight as the pressure was off to lose weight to fit into old clothes.
Thanks everyone my son came home this morning at nine. He had walked home from the nearest town which was 10 miles away. He walked along the cycle path and as we are very rural, this is through the farm lands. He got tired and fell asleep. Then got up about 6 and continued walking home. Im just glad he is ok.

Solo Sun 29-Sep-13 22:27:47

shock Where on earth did he sleep Rules ?!! OMG, I'd be going crazy! why didn't he just phone you?!!

That's very good advice re the clothing Rules smile

Rules Sun 29-Sep-13 23:54:43

He slept on the floor on a dark lonely country path. I was texting him and texting him. He texted me originally to say that he is making his own way home and then I heard nothing until 6.00 when he texted me to let me know he was ok. That must have been when he woke up. Kids.....you never stop worrying about them and its worse when they are older cause they earn their own money and go out and are independent ( well they think they are) but you still worry until they are back home and safe. Sighhhh!!

ppeatfruit Mon 30-Sep-13 10:23:18

Tell me about it Rules Our ds still does things like that and he's 25 and a father of 2 FFS!! Luckily he doesn't usually tell us at the time .As you say you can't help worrying and we're soo far away most of the time!

ppeatfruit Mon 30-Sep-13 10:29:23

Morning all mgrin I bet you're a bit relieved to be leaving though aren't you Solo ?

Very Do you really want to be THIN? wouldn't slim be fine? BTW you know the turmeric? I've found it not only stops me nose running it keeps me slim!! With P.M. of course!

Rules Mon 30-Sep-13 22:18:38

So pleased.....my clothes are looser. walking and weights starting to make a difference. I think not weighing and judging myself by what the scales say has also helped normalise my eating.

Solo Tue 01-Oct-13 00:18:19

Relieved and sad too pp as I never thought I'd leave before retiring at 60.

Rules Tue 01-Oct-13 00:42:14

We'll you have officially finished now Solo....I'm sure it's bittersweet .smile sad

Solo Tue 01-Oct-13 00:50:03

Yep! sad&smile

ppeatfruit Tue 01-Oct-13 09:55:11

Isn't it weird you mentioning scales Rules i haven't weighed for literally months so i just did and am still losing without any effort at all shock We even had a 5 course swanky meal on Sunday!!! I am amazed because I'm not rushing about more than usual the only thing different is I'm taking turmeric with olive oil twice a day!!!!!

Nice to have you back solo despite the mixed feelings which you're bound to have.

Rules Tue 01-Oct-13 12:22:52

pp.....I didn't think you had weight to still lose ? Is it a good thing? I don't personally believe that a spice can cause you to lose weight. It's generally eating less one way or another that brings this about.

Solo Tue 01-Oct-13 13:21:34

Pp tell me about the turmeric and olive oil please.

Rules Tue 01-Oct-13 15:50:20

pp you said in the summer that your size tens were falling off you then. Do you want to actually lose more weight ?

Rules Tue 01-Oct-13 15:51:29

BBB where are youuuu.

ppeatfruit Wed 02-Oct-13 10:10:56

Morning All grin Rules Don't knock it till you try it grin I have put a bit on since the summer! No as I said it's a side effect of treating allergic runny nose reactions! Yes BBB has been away for a long time now.

solo Buy some ground turmeric organic is better. Then mix 2 tspoons with 2 tsps of olive oil in a washable little bowl (it stains so don't use a special one!). Take half in the morning with breakfast and a glass of water and finish it in the evening before bed or with supper.Always with water.

Rules Wed 02-Oct-13 10:18:15

Im not knocking it its just that I have it regularly in food anyway, always have and but I don't appear to lose weight from it. The only way I lose weight is if I really do eat consciously and by doing that I eat less and lose weight. If I don't lose weight its cause im eating too much.

Rules Wed 02-Oct-13 10:21:21

Im glad to hear you have put on a little though cause last time you mentioned your weight loss you were losing and you didn't know why.smile

ppeatfruit Wed 02-Oct-13 16:05:50

Oddly Rules` I used to put it in food too but on it's own it's quite potent i don't know why.

Solo if you try it start gradually and organise to be quite near a loo for a couple of days because it doesn't give you the shxxs it just makes you 'go' more than usual to start with especially if you need to detox. TMI Sorry but it needed to be said grin

Rules Wed 02-Oct-13 17:28:21

So it causes you to poo more which makes you weigh less on the scales?

Solo Thu 03-Oct-13 00:59:52

Thank you!!!

ppeatfruit Thu 03-Oct-13 08:54:42

Morning! Rules If it does that's good; the traditional western diet is not conducive to healthy bowel movements that's one of the reasons why I follow the Hay Way.grin

Rules Thu 03-Oct-13 09:28:39

lol!!grin

Rules Thu 03-Oct-13 13:28:03

just having curry requires me to be near a toilet and if I had curry every day I would need to be near a toilet. Turmeric and other Indian spices are in curry so maybe that's the answer. Eat curry !!!grin

ppeatfruit Thu 03-Oct-13 13:47:36

Yes of course! If you take turmeric on it's own it'll detox you so you'll have no loo issues.

Rules Thu 03-Oct-13 15:50:11

I dont do detox as its basically starving your body of food and gives me migraines that last for twenty four hours in bed unable to move. Detox means not eating enough and that to me does sort of go against this woe. Similarily The Hay Diet.....it's still controlling the food you put in your body. I think that The Hay Diet and The Blood Group Diet enable you to keep your weight down as they restrict your food varieties. sad

Rules Thu 03-Oct-13 16:01:27

Apologies pp , I misread your post. Thought you meant take turmeric and do a detox. Sorry.

ppeatfruit Thu 03-Oct-13 17:11:59

Well sadly a lot of foods and the way they are eaten make people ill so I prefer to be healthy and more 'picky ' about what I eat as I've never been on calorie controlled diets i don't have issues with bingeing etc. I found the Paul Mckenna works well with how I eat.

You CAN go on healthy detoxes though I'm not suggesting it's a brilliant idea quite a good way to kick off weight loss though.

ppeatfruit Sat 05-Oct-13 16:16:13

ERRR is there anybody there??

Rules Sat 05-Oct-13 16:20:39

Hello.....Im here pp....hows things in France today?

Solo Sat 05-Oct-13 16:29:32

Hello!

ppeatfruit Sat 05-Oct-13 17:00:23

They're great thanks I'm just bringing in the plants from the terrace and trying to stop a fight between our house cat (spoiled little 'entitled' meanie she hates other cats in HER house) and one of our strays who's crept in to play with a catnip toy (old, no home except ours sad) But he has the back door cat flap into our buanderie so he's got somewhere to go.

How are you enjoying early retirement?

Rules Sat 05-Oct-13 17:01:42

Lovely here today.....sunny for a change. Has been raining and misty for the last 4 days. Whats a buanderie?

HadALittleFaith Sat 05-Oct-13 17:02:57

Hello! smile

My not so tiny baby will be sleeping in her own room tonight!

I have been a bit low and comfort eating but I'm on the waiting list for counselling which should help and I'm trying to take Faithlet out for a walk each day which helps with my mood and gets her to sleep!

Solo Sat 05-Oct-13 17:09:30

Oooh! retirement! hmmmmmm...it's OK. I'm trying to decide whether to stay home and get the house repaired and sorted out (planning on 3 months ish) or go try and get a job straight away and then not have the time to actually do the house...

Rules Sat 05-Oct-13 17:43:10

Well if you can afford to wait, then I would take three months out just for you to re ground yourself and see where you are at. You have probably been working for years so three months will give you some time to sort out everything you have been putting off and just have a break.

Rules Sat 05-Oct-13 17:43:29

Faith....why do you think your feeling low?

HadALittleFaith Sat 05-Oct-13 20:53:39

solo I agree with Rules, if you can afford it you'd be in a good mindset to start a new job with the house sorted.

Rules it's lots of reasons. I get quite bad anxiety at times and have meds and counselling to help. I think I've been surviving/functioning for a long time because I've had to. Now I have time to take stock it's overwhelmed me. In the last 2 years we've had fertility problems, house fire, nearly split up, got pregnant, didn't have the easiest pregnancy and then a very needy newborn! Faithlet hasn't been sleeping well either which doesn't help. She was much better last night though and I'm hoping being in her own room will help. I'll be fine in time smile

Rules Sat 05-Oct-13 23:29:35

Faith I had counselling when I was younger. I had anxiety and panic attacks and didn't know what was happening. I had just moved to London and was newly married and knew no one there. The counselling uncovered issues from my childhood and parents. Was interesting cause it helped me to learn things I had never knew about my upbringing. Then I had my first child. I think the counselling had really helped and given me the tools to deal with things and made me a better Mother. My counselling was Hypnotherapy. Hypnosis was used to help me to enter a very relaxed state and then was able to talk more easily. She also made me a relaxation tape and many books to read. I know it seems bad at the moment but what you are going through will enable you to cope more easily with life as it unfolds in the future and you will be a much stronger person because of it. smile

Solo Sun 06-Oct-13 01:13:56

rules I only went back to work in January after more than 6 years off so I feel a bit of a fraud really. The difference is that I have a reasonable redundancy sum, so I'll actually be able to sort the house out rather than want to but can't afford to IYSWIM?
And yes, HALF I want that good mindset with which to return to work with. Just to be able to invite people in would be so bloody wonderful!!

Rules Sun 06-Oct-13 01:29:58

Solo if you can, do the house so that your home (base) is lovely and calming and organised and done. Then you will be able to return to work refreshed knowing that your home is just as you want it rather than going to work and having the house still in the same state. Besides, it might take months and months to find work.

ppeatfruit Sun 06-Oct-13 08:08:59

I agree with rules solo take some time out girl and spend that money on what you need to do in the house, it's sooo easy to fritter money away!

A buanderie is (well ours is, where they used to keep the pig, 2 steps down from the kitchen and is now a utility room).

HadA sad BTW soo many babies don't sleep all through night it's normal IMO esp. with this weird not weaning them till 6 months thing they get hungrygrin .

Solo Sun 06-Oct-13 11:11:52

Thanks ladies! I think you are right. I just feel bad doing it...and I really do want to get my house in order, not use it to live on.

Solo Sun 06-Oct-13 11:13:32

*Not use the money to live on!

Rules Sun 06-Oct-13 17:09:37

Thanks pp. We had one of those then in our old cottage.grin

Rules Sun 06-Oct-13 17:10:14

Solo smile

HadALittleFaith Mon 07-Oct-13 20:40:53

I agree with Rules, solo. I'd brush up your CV and start looking for work but plan a few weeks (maybe 8?) of house ordering in the mean time. You can always tell a future employer you can't start til a certain date.

I know what you mean ppeat! I don't expect Faithlet to sleep through yet. However she has been incredibly unsettled overnight (hourly wakings some nights!) which has really drained me. However, we are establishing a routine, day time naps are significantly better and that seems to be having a knock on effect on nights smile She's nearly 6 months so we started BLW. She loves her food and attacks it with gusto. Based on her nappies she is consuming some of it!

I have bought Paul's I can make you happy. It is really good! Practical exercises to make you feel positive, I have also broken my habit of biscuits first thing. I was starving when I first started BF but these days I can wait til breakfast but was still having them til last week. I'm also taking her out in the stroller most days. Exercise and vitamin D for me, fresh air and sleep facilitator for her. I declined the offer of anti-depressants at the doctors today in favour of this (tricky whilst breast feeding) and will see how I go smile

HadALittleFaith Mon 07-Oct-13 20:41:45

I agree with Rules, solo. I'd brush up your CV and start looking for work but plan a few weeks (maybe 8?) of house ordering in the mean time. You can always tell a future employer you can't start til a certain date.

I know what you mean ppeat! I don't expect Faithlet to sleep through yet. However she has been incredibly unsettled overnight (hourly wakings some nights!) which has really drained me. However, we are establishing a routine, day time naps are significantly better and that seems to be having a knock on effect on nights smile She's nearly 6 months so we started BLW. She loves her food and attacks it with gusto. Based on her nappies she is consuming some of it!

I have bought Paul's I can make you happy. It is really good! Practical exercises to make you feel positive, I have also broken my habit of biscuits first thing. I was starving when I first started BF but these days I can wait til breakfast but was still having them til last week. I'm also taking her out in the stroller most days. Exercise and vitamin D for me, fresh air and sleep facilitator for her. I declined the offer of anti-depressants at the doctors today in favour of this (tricky whilst breast feeding) and will see how I go smile

HadALittleFaith Mon 07-Oct-13 20:42:20

(Sorry for the double post!)

ppeatfruit Tue 08-Oct-13 08:42:53

HadA Well done for the positive outlook grin IMO you have to remember that having and raising a LO is not a picnic and give yourself time (plenty of time) to recover.
One thing I've noticed these days (grandma speaks now !!!!) Is that the stupider magazines seem to think you can get your figure and your self back to normal immediately after giving birth, it's totally wrong and puts unnecessary pressure on new mums

Rules Wed 09-Oct-13 00:33:17

Wowshock shock shock Do Mums not introduce solids till 6 months now??? There must be a lot of hungry babies around. Mine started getting very hungry at four months so gave them baby rice. They started sleeping sooo much better after that.

Solo Wed 09-Oct-13 00:38:55

When I had Ds it was around 16 weeks I think (1998). I started weaning him at about 14 weeks as I was returning to work.
With Dd it'd gone to 26 weeks. She was quite happy with breast milk until then smile

HadALittleFaith Wed 09-Oct-13 07:26:49

Yeah Rules current WHO guidelines. Think it's on the cautious side assuming that some pr

HadALittleFaith Wed 09-Oct-13 07:30:40

...people will always go less than that. I overhead a conversation at my local health centre where one Mum said to another Oh she was having green poos and seemed really unhappy....maybe I should stop giving her yogurts....baby was less than 4mo!

Faithlet was 5 1/2 months but when a baby keep grabbing food within reach, stuffing it in their mouth and chomping on it they're ready for BLW! She has been ok on milk - combined feeding, mostly breast and two formula bottles a day. She slept sooo much better last night. Only woke at 10pm and 2am to feed having gone down at 7! smile

ppeatfruit Wed 09-Oct-13 07:35:09

"current WHO guidelines" Mean you have to be feeding your baby milk (and to make enough bm you have to have your baby feeding endlessly!!!) till 6 months IMHO a load of bollox (but don't tell all the earnest MNers)!!! Rules !! grin grin (whispers I did the same as you!! )

ppeatfruit Wed 09-Oct-13 07:37:48

I understand the BLW in a way; but how do suggest to a 6 month old that's trying to gum a carrot from your plate that it's not such a good idea!!

HadALittleFaith Wed 09-Oct-13 07:38:13

Yeah I'm a bit PFB about this. WHO guidelines recommend exclusive BF til 6 months and ideally for a year. Apparently most women in Britain don't manage that. I'm quite proud to still be BF at 6 months! The only thing I have been militant on is not introducing wheat til 6 months because of my intolerance.

ppeatfruit Wed 09-Oct-13 07:44:33

HadA Yes you should be proud of that grin it's sad that most women can't manage it when it's soo much cheaper and no bother!!

Solo Thu 10-Oct-13 00:01:52

I bf my Ds until he was 18 months and Dd until she was 58 months! (4yrs 10mos). Funny thing is that at 6yrs, she doesn't remember bfing at all.

Rules Thu 10-Oct-13 00:39:58

Definitely pp HadA should feel very proud. As you know I breastfed both mine for a looong time and am very proud of it too. Im proud because its not easy. However I do understand that its not for everyone and that's fine cause you have to do whats right for you.

HadALittleFaith Thu 10-Oct-13 07:17:16

We had such a rocky start, at day 4 she wasn't latching properly and was on formula top ups and I really didn't think it was going to happen. That's why I'm so pleased! I think we'll be cutting out the BF by 8 months sad I'm back to work at 8 1/2 on long shifts. I know the law says I'm entitled to somewhere to express but realistically it's not going to happen. She's a monkey with EBM too. Great start for her though smile

I would love a cuppa right now but there's a little person snoozing on my chest and I daren't disturb her!

Rules Thu 10-Oct-13 07:27:39

Morning
Awww I remember those early days Hada. It does go by very quickly too. One of my babies is up and getting ready for Uni. It's only half an hour away so she Fri

drives each day.

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 12:15:24

Morning All,
Hope your all doing ok, but where are you ??

HadALittleFaith Fri 11-Oct-13 12:53:15

Hello. I'm around. However last night we were on the paeds ward after Faithlet vomited blood confused. She's fine and it seems to have been a one-off but obviously had to get it checked out. Quiet day today!

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 12:57:13

Ooo that's not a nice experience Hada. Did they say why she vomited blood? If she has a cough and has been coughing hard then this can cause it as can cracked nipples.

HadALittleFaith Fri 11-Oct-13 13:07:45

Yeah they think it was probably from coughing. My nipples are fine. She's got a mild cough having had a cold. She seems fine now, eating her dolly on the living room floor!

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 13:10:48

O then that's probably what it was. My son and husband get it too when they have had chesty coughs. Don't worry. Not nice to have to take her to hospital though is it. They are such a worry, even when they are grown ups! How are you feeling in yourself at the moment? Still a bit low?

HadALittleFaith Fri 11-Oct-13 19:50:42

Sleepy baby tonight, bless her!

I'm still up and down Rules although ironically during the time of real concern with her health I was strangely calm! I am working on not speaking negatively over myself, breaking that habit. I don't think it'll be a quick fix but I feel like I'm taking control smile

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 19:59:40

Good Hada glad you feel that your on a better path. What books have you read that you find helpful?

HadALittleFaith Fri 11-Oct-13 20:16:01

Only really Paul's I can make you happy! I dip into parenting books as well to feel more confident in my approach to looking after Abigail but some can make me feel worse rather than better Baby whisperer!

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 20:30:01

Anything or anyone that makes you feel worse you should just ignore. People are not necessarily correct with their advice so feel free to take what works for you and ignore the rest. I did. You know your baby and you will know whats right and wrong for her and for yourself as well. Something I think you get better and better at doing as you get older. Like pp, I never believe so called medical expertise. Its all just opinions at the end of the day.

Solo Sat 12-Oct-13 00:53:54

Glad little one is OK HALF smile

FaithTheVampireSlayer Sat 12-Oct-13 07:27:25

She slept 7.20-5 last night - woo! Currently asleep next to me on the bed (brought her through at 6.30). I'm having one of those Isn't my baby just gorgeous? moments. smile

Rules Sat 12-Oct-13 11:13:47

awwwwww!!

veryberrybug Sun 13-Oct-13 16:13:24

faith what is it about baby whisperer type books that makes you feel bad? just finding it hard to understand when you have problems with her sleeping & a solution is provided, how it ends up you feeling crap rather than "thank goodness i can fix this"? confused

Rules Sun 13-Oct-13 18:42:08

Hi very hows the PM going?

veryberrybug Sun 13-Oct-13 20:15:15

thanks for askin rules PMing going well smile i've definitely been truly hungry when i've eaten, & have found my new busy schedule is lending itself to grazing which suits me well. on a tuesday i'm out 8.30am til 9.30pm & counted 6 mini meals!! i noticed changes because i've been cycling to get around to further parts of town (& opted for the cycle path because though longer i can go faster & not have to dodge buses!) & even though i'm only cycling 1 or 2 days a week, i've been sooo much more hungry & in particular craving meat (the old O-type carnivore within grin) which i've eaten, along with delicious GF lemon cheesecake i found lured me into a café (had to pop in, obviously, to get a heat for my friend's baby's bottle!) & chocolate (mmm lindor mmm) i lost 2lbs that week! so i figure i'm building muscle grin which in turn i hope helps me burn more fat. i think there's some value in changing the type of exercise because your body gets used to what you do. but what a bummer because i like a routine! anyhoo, i don't know how long before my body adapts to cycling but i'm hopeful of losing a bit more.

still hate leaving food on my plate though, can't do it unless i've really over-served myself (but i never feel really overfull, just comfortably so & i never get reflux like i used to before). i just hate waste. i'm the same with odds & ends too, my cupboards are full of stuff i may find a use for or make into something! i learned from my mum who was a war-baby & has a real mend&make-do / waste-not-want-not attitude. i was glad to hear you sounding happier with walking/weights results. how's that still going?

how's the house-fixing no-working-mentals going solo? BTW cheers the newly washed bra no longer rubs!!

pp i thought i'd try the olive oil & turmeric because a) i love cheese & wine & they both give me extra mucus, i'm thinking that could be classed as an allergicy-type reaction? b) i've been getting more dry-feeling skin & despite mackerel, salmon etc i feel the need to lubricate from the inside, & c) i wouldny mind shittin masel thin LOL grin but OMG it's pretty gag-worthy XD glad it's only a small amount! would it work with Udo's oil instead of olive oil? i like that better.

WRT being thin/slim, seeing as i'm nowhere near either i'm not being terribly precise about my language. i thought it more positive than "no being a fat bloater"! all i want is to have thighs that don't rub together & not have an underbelly fat-fold when i sit down <eeeuuw>!! different people have different definitions of exactly what thin/ too thin/ slim etc are: i just want to be a healthy weight for my very small frame, at the lower end of the spectrum because that's how i'm comfortable & how my body is designed to be. all the women in my family are about 5' tall, size 6-8; i'd like to be 8-10 because i'm more muscular than them.

sorry, long post. cany help myself wink hope everyone's well!

Vivacia Sun 13-Oct-13 21:20:31

Hello thread. Good to read your success stories. I could do with a boost and some support in getting back on with Paul.

Rules Sun 13-Oct-13 21:43:29

Hi Vivacia just jump back on. We will all be here smile

Vivacia Sun 13-Oct-13 21:52:41

Thanks Rules. Tomorrow I'm going to focus on not mistaking thirst for hunger and absolutely no comfort eating.

Does anybody have any helpful suggestions for alternatives to comfort eating?

Rules Sun 13-Oct-13 22:12:01

Once I got into this woe, comfort eating ceased to have any appeal to be honest. I can eat what I like and have all the foods I want in my kitchen but they tend to stay there unless someone else eats them. Overeating just makes me feel ill and uncomfortable now. I think some ladies found the tapping to be very helpful and havening ( think that's what its called)

veryberrybug Mon 14-Oct-13 00:27:40

hello viv yes indeedy i've found the havening (if you've got the gastric band book) or otherwise the tapping (ICMYT) very helpful indeed with emotional eating. it's quite an eye-opener & at times i've noticed the non-hungry cravings & still eaten <oops> but even if you just start by noticing it's the first step to changing your behaviour. TBH i found when i started following the four rules to the letter i was getting soooo much more enjoyment from my food (no more guilt/longing etc) i was literally topping up my happy at every meal & soon ceased needing to emotionally eat... but then every now & then summat crops up & though you'll have the occasional blip you may well spot it as it's happening: no worries you've realised!! well done on getting back on track!

i LOVE this WOE!! grin

bulshit Mon 14-Oct-13 02:37:05

HI all I have done really well with the Paul McKenna hypnotic gastric band so far but would like to loose a bit more. Both myself and my partner have booked a Caribbean holiday for his 60th birthday next February.

I would like to keep off what I have already lost and if possible loose some more to enable me to maintain my new sexy body. Exercise has been a part of my plan since I started in February and at present about to start week eight of the INSANITY DVD. I plan to continue exercising until we go in February.

I have 19 weeks left before our holiday to make a massive difference and I plan to do this. Paul's way of thinking has made difference to my life, I am able to get up in the mornings feeling and looking good.

I am 55 years old, mother of four with six grandchildren and looking hot, but I know that I can look even hotter if I continue to follow the four golden rules. With these rules anything is possible.

So to all you love people out there keep positive and patient and you will get the results that you require. What has been really exciting for me is trying on clothes that I was unable to get into and they fit. So people it's not all about what the number on the scales.

Good luck to you all. We all need each other for support. Xxx

Vivacia Mon 14-Oct-13 07:24:48

(I do like reading success stories bul).

Do you know, I've followed this for years and always skipped the tapping. I'll read up on that that today. What's "havening"?

veryberrybug Mon 14-Oct-13 11:01:25

bulshit thankyou for sharing your success story; last time i was having a wobble i read yours & you got me right back on track. wow a carribbean holiday sounds fab, bet you'll be glad to look good in a swimming cossy! enjoy!

viv the havening is very similar to the tapping, does the same job of removing the craving but also gives you some comfort, like someone's just hugged you.

Vivacia Mon 14-Oct-13 11:35:28

Do you actually hug yourself or something?

So far, so good. Been conscious of all the physical activity I've done this morning. Had lots to drink and a very small but satisfying bowl of Crunchy Nut.

Vivacia Mon 14-Oct-13 20:33:43

Good day today. No snacking and ate at most half what I've been eating recently. Went on the Wii for half an hour this evening and then spent 30 minutes looking at new clothes on the internet.

Tempted to buy an outfit in the next size down as a goal. Bad idea?

MillyMillyMe Tue 15-Oct-13 00:22:15

Hi Viv.....Hi Ladies,

Name Changed.....
Viv I would say....bad idea.....you are putting too much pressure on yourself by buying a size smaller. Buy for who you are now if you really want to buy something. Its ok to visualise yourself smaller though.

Vivacia Tue 15-Oct-13 08:11:18

Yes, you're right Milly. I will picture me in the outfit, but save the pleasure of choosing it nearer the time (and if I'm still this size at Christmas, so be it). I already have a haircut chosen. I might print it out and put it on the kids' biscuit barrel.

veryberrybug Tue 15-Oct-13 22:51:37

viv well done on exercise & mindful eating. i've done all that buying smaller size clothes & dreaming of the haircut i'll get when i'm thin through the diet years & it's shit. so last october i got my hair cut because i damn well wanted to & it's great! today i dyed it purple (which i was going to do when i dieted down to a size ten - never happened) & i might still be a couple of sizes bigger than i'd like to be but my hair looks ace!! rules had some good advice about capsule wardrobes a couple of pages back: it's all about being happy now & making the most of what you've got, then being pleasantly surprised when you drop a size! wink

MillyMillyMe Tue 15-Oct-13 23:01:27

Awww.thanks very glad the advice helped.grin

MillyMillyMe Tue 15-Oct-13 23:25:06

By the way its me ladies.....I have changed my name.

Solo Wed 16-Oct-13 00:05:07

Milly who are you? pp?

MillyMillyMe Wed 16-Oct-13 01:54:49

he he..Rules
Hows you Solo. Your always up late like me. Hows your break going?

bulshit Wed 16-Oct-13 10:56:54

Hi everyone hope all is ok. Just want to say keep up the good work. Paul McKenna is amazing he has given me another chance to live my life. I am a 55 year old grand mother and I am looking more amazing now than I have ever looked before

With Paul and regular exercise life can and will only get better. so keep going ladies.xxxx

bulshit Wed 16-Oct-13 10:58:41

Hi everyone hope all is ok. Just want to say keep up the good work. Paul McKenna is amazing he has given me another chance to live my life. I am a 55 year old grand mother and I am looking more amazing now than I have ever looked before

With Paul and regular exercise life can and will only get better. so keep going ladies.xxxx

ppeatfruit Wed 16-Oct-13 16:03:17

Hi folks marking my place Welcome to the newbies grin

ppeatfruit Wed 16-Oct-13 16:23:20

Very yeah you can mix it with any oil you like but remember to drink a full glass of water with it grin. Glad you're doing sooo well grin

We've been entertaining dh 's adult cousin so i've not had time to be on here I don't know how anyone manages it along with L.O's grin

BTW snap bulshit I'm older than you and with the help of acupressure stretches and the odd easy crunch ex. have maintained my loose vanity size 10s for a while now. You're lucky if your dh is open to P.M. mine is very much in need of him but ignores me!! He's a hedonist.

HadA Pleased that little faithlet is okay now; IIWM I'd think about changing her type of FF. If she's had a bad cold.

MillyMillyMe Wed 16-Oct-13 18:15:19

pp Hi, wondered where you had been.

veryberrybug Thu 17-Oct-13 09:33:28

heehee good morning all smile

milly i thought it was you, i like the new name!

righty-ho, i've been a bit <^dramatic sigh^> about needing to just get down to business & sort out these piles of mess (packing stuff up to swap rooms with kids this week as they're on holiday fe school) in fact DD1 is putting me to shame! so having slept badly i'm going to power through today & get a lick of nice new paint on so i can see something's been done (aswell as getting horribly dusty)!

i can't help but notice i keep slipping back to eating faster again, & then feeling the need to reboot etc... but i am hungry often so probably not overeating. is it possible to feel i'm actually doing this right or will i always feel like i should try harder? hmm

ppeatfruit Thu 17-Oct-13 10:00:53

Morning grin nice to be back even for a little while {i'm flying over on Monday for a week) veryberry don't forget to damp dust with a drop of lavender oil in the water that is brill because this house is stone and permanently dusty (I get a damp duster or teacloth tied round a broom head with any ess. oil I fancy and remove the cobwebs from between the beams (they're high up shock) I don't need Xmas dex the spiders do the work for me!!!

I know I do the same rebooting thing it's normal IME and O grin don't beat yourself up about trying harder!

Milly (That's our cat's name grin) i haven't guessed yet; are you BBB? if you are we've missed you or are you Solo ?(who likes a bit of a NC grin).

MillyMillyMe Thu 17-Oct-13 12:32:53

pp you havnt read through the threads.....naughty pp ha ha! its me..rules.

ppeatfruit Thu 17-Oct-13 12:39:49

OOOh i did 'skim' the previous thread but not properly you're right! How are things Millyrules? [thigrin]

ppeatfruit Thu 17-Oct-13 12:41:12

duh I meant to put thlgrin !

ppeatfruit Thu 17-Oct-13 12:42:21

I like millyrules because our milly does rule our house hold !

MillyMillyMe Thu 17-Oct-13 12:44:12

pp Im good thanks. You were away for so long and I always wonder where you are because I always look for your post in the morning. Don't know where BBB is. She seems to be around on MN but not on here.

ppeatfruit Thu 17-Oct-13 13:29:14

Ooops we've I've probably pissed her right off!

MillyMillyMe Thu 17-Oct-13 14:19:26

ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! .....Bless!

MillyMillyMe Fri 18-Oct-13 16:53:07

Afternoon Ladies.....where are you alllllll!!! Have you all dropped off the wagon or just busy? grin

ppeatfruit Fri 18-Oct-13 17:21:05

I'm here but have just driven down to the specialist garage to have my car serviced etc. it's a LONG way and I had to keep up with dh who drives fast so I'm a bit tired. Not off the wagon oh no but maybe a bit meh about it ATM. Won't be here after monday for a week though sad With the L.O.s so that'll be lovely grin

MillyMillyMe Fri 18-Oct-13 17:50:20

pp why are you "meh" (love that phrase, says so much) about it. Explain (if you want) smile

ppeatfruit Fri 18-Oct-13 17:58:03

Oh I've been eating a bit mindlessly (dh's cousin's been here and we've been out a lot) i get right back to it indoors though! Also i admit that the turmeric is soo good at controlling my weight and blood type issues I get somewhat lazy shock i've said it now!

MillyMillyMe Fri 18-Oct-13 19:27:56

ha ha!! Confessions of a turmeric and olive oil addict. Bloody hell.....if it seriously does that for you then that is brilliant. If very says it works for her and she starts losing weight with it then I will definitely have to have a go.....smile

FaithTheVampireSlayer Fri 18-Oct-13 20:32:44

Hope you get it sorted pp.

I'm around. Really not doing well with low mood/comfort eating but Faithlet has started on new meds for her reflux and seems a bit better in the last few days since we started. I have started on happy pills waiting til my counselling comes round. I need something to kick in to get me back on it....

MillyMillyMe Fri 18-Oct-13 23:59:02

Sorry your still feeling down Faith. It will get better.

veryberrybug Sat 19-Oct-13 00:36:55

aw poo big hugs to pp & faith we've all been there (some of us too many times to count!!) hope the "meh" goes & the "kickstart" happens... but we're here in the meantime.

i've been a bit sporadic on here because not only is the house in upheaval & behind schedule, but each (adult) member of my family in turn is collapsing in a little heap & needing a lot of support, which i'm happy to give because i can but it still takes it out of me.

i've found the turmeric much more palatable with Udo's oil but havny had minor runs like i did when i just tried it for one day... but i'd had a lot of rum the night before then so it may have been hangover arse collapse!! anyhoo, i've not been so phlegmy & have been eating cheese so so far so good! grin

mindful eating coming & going... thanks for your reasssurance pp . i've been helped by two new free apps i got which i reccommend: "headspace" for mindful few minutes under 10mins/day & even better "lotus bud" which just randomly chimes tibetan monk type bells at you every now & then, just like a gentle tap on the shoulder to remember & notice! smile lovely.

have a nice weekend all ... peace out <LOL>

veryberrybug Sat 19-Oct-13 00:42:24

p.s faith the baby i help look after has reflux meds & they work like magic, honestly i would never have known if i hadny had to give him the dose myself. apparently he used to just cry out in pain for ages at night & projectile vomit but now he eats & digests normally. so it will get better. & i've been on & off happy pills for the best part of my adult life, & i function so much better with them because i need them, there's no shame in that. they lift that grey colour from your life & allow you to be yourself again. you'll get there & be able to enjoy faithlet wink

veryberrybug Sat 19-Oct-13 00:45:54

faith oops posted too soon...
neurochemical catchup takes 3weeks so don't expect too much before then. xx

MillyMillyMe Sat 19-Oct-13 01:20:07

Have you Very ...happy pills sound good. grin

ppeatfruit Sat 19-Oct-13 10:00:58

Hmmmn interesting about happy pills.. I'm not a fan. I took St. John's Wort before and through the menop. but since doing my blood type and easy version of the Hay WOE I've not had to take anything for feeling down (because I don't usually grin it's not luck it's eating right,not drinking except for the odd glass of red wine,no smoking, sleeping properly etc. IMO and E). Sorry for the rant folks grin

You're all very kind thanks I'll always be aware of PM (i'm not putting on weight)!!

MillyMillyMe Sun 20-Oct-13 17:01:54

Afternoon all,

pp im with you on the "happy pills". I suffered from terrible depression about twenty years ago with panic attacks and it was the darkest time. I didn't take pills because I wanted to get through it myself. I don't think there is anything wrong with them and there is definitely a place for them, definitely. I read loads of books, had therapy and worked on my inner child (don't laugh) and healed myself. I wanted to get through the bad time and the bad place so that I would always have the tools necessary to deal with it again. But that's just me and as I said I appreciate that everyone is different. Im like pp in that I will always find a natural cure or a natural route through things in life. Im dealing with the early days of menopause at the moment and am using St. Johns Wort to get me through. I am naturally a happy positive person and St. Johns Wort really is brilliant at keeping a sunny happy perspective. Amazing herb.

MillyMillyMe Sun 20-Oct-13 17:05:22

pp can I pick your brains......did you find anything in particular or any foods that helped lower the hot flushes or stop them?

FaithTheVampireSlayer Sun 20-Oct-13 19:01:13

Well I'm struggling, very tearful. I feel this is the right choice for me as we really can't carry on like we have been. I'll have no marriage left. I'm also eating badly because I'm in a vicious cycle with low mood/crap diet. I'm hoping this'll help to break it.

Vivacia Sun 20-Oct-13 19:12:44

I'm not good at hand-holding Faith, but I'm here.

Vivacia Sun 20-Oct-13 19:13:10

It sounds as though there's a lot more going on than weight-loss.

FaithTheVampireSlayer Sun 20-Oct-13 20:39:22

Thanks Vivacia. It's been a snowball over the last 3 years - took nearly 3 years to conceive, DH had health problems that affected his personality (as did the treatment), the house caught fire (took 6 months to repair), I got ill in the middle of that. We were on the verge of splitting up when I got pregnant (oh the irony). Add in a low birth weight baby who was therefore a needy newborn....it's been a crazy couple of years! I've had an assessment for counselling, basically identified that now things have calmed down I'm finally processing it all. Sessions should start in a month or so and the meds will have started to kick in. I've been depressed before and I'd rather start now before I deteriorate. I need to be functional to look after DD.

Vivacia Sun 20-Oct-13 20:53:40

It sounds as though you are doing all of the right things.

Have you done Paul McKenna before? If you feel it's the right time, listening to the trance might be a good idea. I like how it makes me feel so positive about my body, and instead of making disparaging comments about it, I think kind thoughts.

FaithTheVampireSlayer Sun 20-Oct-13 21:00:13

Yes I've been doing it nearly two years! I do try to listen to the trance (although DD seems to have a knack got waking just as I get relaxed!). I think it helps. Off to the Lakes with her and my Dad tomorrow which I'm looking forward to.

Tell us a bit more about yourself Vivacia...

Vivacia Sun 20-Oct-13 21:32:33

I fell off the wagon a bit. Stopped listening to the trance because the only time I could find to listen was last thing at night. Listening to Paul isn't always the thing I want to do when I get in to bed!

Joined the discussion herd again and have just completed my first week back on the approach.

Vivacia Sun 20-Oct-13 21:33:13

("Here", not "herd"!).

MillyMillyMe Sun 20-Oct-13 22:22:57

Hi Faith
Whats happening sweetheart? How are you feeling. Everyone is saying that when the tablets kick in that you will feel better so maybe you just have to be patient. I don't know as I did it the cold turkey way (and a few Whiskeys helped lol).
Are you happy with DP Faith. You said that you were on the verge of splitting up when you got pregnant, so how do you feel about him now?

FaithTheVampireSlayer Mon 21-Oct-13 07:37:40

Since I started the tablets I feel better - placebo?! Or maybe just because I've taken control. Things have been strained. We have very different approaches to parenting, we didn't realise we would. The problem has been we've struggled to have calm, rational discussions because I've been overwrought and defensive. I've seen every suggestion as a criticism of what I've been doing so far. It's been better this week though. He was away this weekend and we missed each other which is good! I think as I'm calmer it'll be easier for us to communicate.

ppeatfruit Mon 21-Oct-13 09:15:03

Crikey some a lot of action on here grin Well millyrules You don't mind me calling you that do you? Evening Primrose Oil is very good for hot flushes and of course following your blood type grin also for O types Agnus Castus or equisetum and or vervaine (which you can get in a tea). Taking a Kelp supplement is a great help as well for general health.

Faith IMO there are as many parenting approaches as there are people which doesn't help but suffice to say I know most couples struggle with it. I say 'ignore ignore' dh and go with your instincts if possible grin Enjoy your break (I'm off for a week too) grin

Vivacia Good to have you here; we all go on and off it that's one of the beauties of the Paul Mckenna WOE!!!

MillyMillyMe Mon 21-Oct-13 11:42:31

Faith ..morning.....I used to feel criticised too. Maybee we all do as we are so close ti our babies and we have this invisible bond that will ways be there. We have some of our children's DNA in our blood as well as them having ours. When your a mum you just feel you know what's right for them. Dads however see the mum totally overwhelmed by it all and just want to help. They can sometimes offer more rational solutions when we have lost the plot though grin It's really good that you missed each other....means that you have something to work on. smile

MillyMillyMe Mon 21-Oct-13 11:49:08

Thanks pp will check them out. Did you get hot flushes?

MillyRules Mon 21-Oct-13 15:46:40

Ta Dah!!!!!!!! For pp lol!!!! I love it.

MillyRules Tue 22-Oct-13 19:51:43

C'mon ladies, keep posting about how your doing or not doing.....we can all help each other to be good Paulers wink smile smile smile

Vivacia Wed 23-Oct-13 12:44:24

Bad night last night. Much better today.

MillyRules Wed 23-Oct-13 14:46:11

Why Viv what happened?

Vivacia Wed 23-Oct-13 15:26:23

I meant that I ate too much, just stuffed my face.

MillyRules Wed 23-Oct-13 15:58:09

Any reason? Anyway just move on. smile

Liddy16 Wed 23-Oct-13 21:00:46

Hi can I join the board, just fitted my band today, so far so good, had normal portion for trea tonight,, left some in the bowl because I actually felt ful this NEVER happens, I didn't to be 6 stone over weight by leaving food. I have a very long road to travel and I am in this foir the long haul and I would love some company. Tried every diet and diret club imaginable lost a few pounds then gained a lot, I am stuck in a horrible rut and neecd to get out of it to start enjoying my life with my dh, dd and ds. Please keep me going.

Vivacia Wed 23-Oct-13 21:19:58

Keep going Liddy! Perhaps we can help each other?

MillyRules Wed 23-Oct-13 22:19:14

Hi Liddy and Welcome. We are a bit quiet here at the moment but the others will be along to chat to you soon. Most of us don't do the hypno band, we just do the PMICMYT. But, it doesn't matter as its basically the same thing. Now you have inserted the band, make sure you keep reading the book and listed to the CD as a top up often. This is a great way to begin to change your eating habits. Diets do not ever work long term, you just end up back to square one and then some. Some of the ladies here have been on this thread for about 3 years ( Solo and *pp and Faith...think that's right??) so you will have plenty of support. The main thing with this woe is to not expect miracles at first. It can take a good 6 months to re learn these new habits and to totally learn to allow yourself to eat whatever you want, when your hungry etc. Please keep posting and if you need any support, just ask. smile

Liddy16 Wed 23-Oct-13 22:47:23

Hi vivacia and MillyRules it is great to have your support, and I hope I can offer you some support along the way, I plan to listen to the band cd regularly just to keep on top of it. I have given up on quick fixes cos they didn't get me anywhere. Realising I can eat what I want not what I think I shpould eat to lose weight is going to be a.challenge along with listening to my body and recognising true hunger and then fullness.

MillyRules Wed 23-Oct-13 22:54:47

Liddy its not easy to change the way you have always been around food, that's why I think it takes a good six months to really start to get it. smile

FaithTheVampireSlayer Thu 24-Oct-13 17:17:45

Hello, I'm Faith. I've been Pauling nearly 2 years. Did pretty well but had a baby and since then (6 months ago) it's gone a bit haywire but yes, newbies welcome! I'm away this week with rubbish signal hence the radio silence (free woof where we're having dinner) but will be back tomorrow to post more smile

veryberrybug Fri 25-Oct-13 22:59:35

hello all & welcome liddy it's nice to have 5 minutes to pop on here for a catch up!

i've just had another patch of not fancying cake & chocolate at all <gasp> & been really enjoying my meat & salad. think all that cycling is making me grow more muscle for sure. the house is still upside down & i've been just non-stop but i've rediscovered mindfulness practice & it's definitely been that that's got me through - just taking a few minutes here or a wee half hour there thlwink ooh i like the seasonal icons!

WRT conversations about happy pills (i know that was ages ago but i feel i have to reply) given a choice i would choose not to take antidepressants, but i do not have a choice if i want to stay well for me & my family. some of us have brains which do not make enough serotonin, it's genetic & chemical. if i did not take these meds i probably would not be here to look after my DDs. st. john's wort is known to be good for mild depression, but for those of us with moderate to severe it doesny even touch the sides. in which case meds are not a choice, they are a necessary evil. they are the reason i put on 3 stone & partly why i have no DC3-4. i have also taken all the help i can get with counselling, CBT, mindfulness practice, positive parenting classes, & i know these things make a good difference to thought patterns, but when you have young kids you don't have the luxury of time to wait for these things to sink in, you need instant help. & every time depression returns, your prognosis gets worse (chance of recurrance increases) so some folk are on them for life (eg. me & my mum). i just feel that disapproval of meds which are necessary for some folk, or suggestion you can do it without meds which insinuates it's a cop-out, is unhelpful thlangry & seems like disapproval of a person for a "choice" which is not actually there when you're that ill. so there!

MillyRules Sat 26-Oct-13 01:23:46

I did not disapprove very just said they were not the way I dealt with my depression. Been there myself so I do know exactly what its like. Just chose a different route through it. As I said I understand why people take them totally. So there !! lol grin

ppeatfruit Sat 26-Oct-13 11:58:30

Im back everyone !!! thlgrin nice to see some more people on here we're here to give a hand to those who need it. Welcome liddy you've found the BEST way to lose weight and it's for life IMO!

I certainly don't want to get into an argument about ADs Veryberry I was just pointing out that there are other ways of controlling it, docs can sometimes just give the meds without thinking e.g. melatonin is good for depression and also being aware of what you were doing before it strikes (like the drinking of spirits or whatever) Dh gets awful down after he thinks a small brandy or vodka every night is the way to go! You 're lucky if the meds suit you too !!

veryberrybug Sat 26-Oct-13 18:46:27

ok fighting stance relaxed a little <LOL> i just don't want to hear meds dismissed as part of the evil chemical overlord etc. i know as a pattern western doctors are overprescribing painkillers & antidepressants, but i don't want to overcorrect in a backlash that then says they're all bad. i too love natural remedies & think there are many things they can help with & balance out, but what i'm saying is if push comes to shove & you're in a critical way, traditional western meds can be a lifesaver (literally) & get you up to a place where you can actually think & do stuff like CBT which then give you tools to use in the future. there is a depth of severe depression where your brain just cany do that. you cany see beyond right here & now being awful, you cany stand back & actually see a pattern because you're drowning. but meds should by no means be the only solution, they are a way to get your head above water so you can then help yourself. anyhoo, that's that said. thlgrin

how's everyone doing Pauling? milly are you still listening to the HGB CD? liddy has it had positive effect on you? pp how've you been whilst visiting? still meh? faith how's the comfort eating? have you tried tapping or feeling beyond that? thlsmile

ppeatfruit Sun 27-Oct-13 08:03:41

You'll LOL at me very 'cos while rushing about in London I could feel my size 10 knicks and small size tights falling down (luckily under my jeans with the belt tight!!) I blame the vanity sizing I feel sorry for really 'small' sized women Like DD1 she has to wear child sizes!! So as you can tell I'm still losing.[htlgrin]

There was an interesting programme about Depression by Stephen Fry did you see it? he was told to give up smoking and eat healthily by a doctor who has beaten it by doing just that !

milly I still get the odd warm flush (i never got them badly) and managed without HRT (I didn't fancy horse pee pills!) just on the right supplements for me!

MillyRules Sun 27-Oct-13 14:45:29

pp STOP SHOWING OFF!!!!!grin

MillyRules Sun 27-Oct-13 14:47:49

To be fair though Stephen Fry has been bi polar all his life and has attempted suicide a few times. Without his medication I don't think he would have been here today. sad

MillyRules Sun 27-Oct-13 15:22:01

Thanks for the hot flush info pp Mine are warm rather than furnace hot and I don't have the the drenches that some ladies have thank god. I've only just started though and could easily get another period I guess so am finding my way through smile

ppeatfruit Sun 27-Oct-13 18:02:37

Just telling it like it is Mills sorry if it seems like showing off!!

MillyRules Sun 27-Oct-13 19:31:08

hehe.....very jealous of you pp....very jealous. grin wink envy grin grin grin grin grin grin

ppeatfruit Sun 27-Oct-13 20:19:46

You 're getting there though aren't you ? grin grin

veryberrybug Sun 27-Oct-13 22:06:30

LOL at your dropping your pants again pp what are you like? cany take you anywhere!! go & treat yourself to some size 8's (OMG i cany wait for the day i can say that to myselfgrin)
i've not seen that stephen fry program, but i think there's got to be more to it than eating healthy & no cigs. did it work for stephen aswell as the doc?

milly it's a good season to be getting warm (but not uncomfortably hot) flushes eh? make the most of it & save on your heating bill wink

got a totally omnom chinese takeaway for tea after a busy day housesorting (still!) & trip to ikea spending a fortune & taking too long so missing the café, & managed to slow myself down after the initial few scoff-mouthfuls. delicious. still think i was too fast but stopped before i was full & felt very satisfied <mmm>. haveny had a weigh-in for ages but clothes still feel the same thlsad glad to be eating what i like & not gaining though, because chocolate features fairly frequently thlgrin

MillyRules Sun 27-Oct-13 23:39:32

Nope not losing weight just maintaining. Want to lose more weight, really do but it just doesn't happen. Sighhhhh!!!!!!! Saw that Alibaba has gone on the five point two and is losing. I couldn't do that as it would bringing on diet mentaility and overeating.

shezam Mon 28-Oct-13 07:15:05

Hi all! I installed my gastric band last night and then again this morning. I'm a bit unsure about how it all works really. I am a grazer, usually don't eat breakfast then eat fruit etc throughout the morning at work. Then for lunch I usually have soup or a mugshot (cuppa soup with pasta) I can see this being a problem.

Can anyone help please?

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Oct-13 10:23:27

Morning All thlgrin shezam I'm not sure if having the 'belt' in makes any difference but you don't have to eat breakfast you just have to eat when you're actually hungry so grazing is not helpful unless you're filling up properly.
All the rules are explained at the top of our thread but the way I got into it properly (it takes a while anyway esp. if you're used to bingeing) is to CHEW each mouthful slowly;take 15 to 25 chews (depending on the food of course). And wait till you feel really hungry then eat slowly and consciously!!! I made it work when I was teaching by taking a chewy meal or snack with me like.as you say, fruit and macadamias and or walnuts. Of course if you're up and down a lot and walk about then the weight comes off more quickly IME.

It's weird milly our sonIL has lost 3 stone on the 5;2 DD2 can't do it nor can dh IMO Paul Mckenna is miles better because YOU EAT WHEN YOU'RE HUNGRY ffs also your stomach shrinks naturally!!! it's good you're maintaining anyway grin. Phew that was a long one!!!!

MillyRules Mon 28-Oct-13 13:02:45

shezam it's all explained in the book. The four rules and why they work. It's about not dieting but doing what's natural.....only eat when hungry and stop when full. Diets force you to eat to limited calories but if you tune into your own body it will control your cals for you naturally grin

MillyRules Mon 28-Oct-13 13:32:48

pp did you notice I changed my name in your honour wink

ppeatfruit Mon 28-Oct-13 15:13:24

Yes I did notice MillyRules little boss housecat and I are very honoured merci meow grin

MillyRules Mon 28-Oct-13 16:06:45

lol...

shezam Mon 28-Oct-13 18:32:05

hi all, thanks for your help this morming. I read the book cover to cover last night, installed the band. was just a bit overwelmed this morning. Unsure how I can eat consciously when im at my desk although I have had a fab day eating wise. really hope its going to work for me. Soup and a sandwich for tea which I couldnt finish, its a miracle! x

MillyRules Mon 28-Oct-13 18:55:50

Shezam it does definitely work. I find listening to the cd a couple of times a week helps. In fact I haven't listened for a while. I'm maintaining and never gain weight but still want to lose another stone. Eating when genuinely hungry and really need to eat is important in learning what true hunger is. This process takes about six months to master in my opinion.grin

shezam Mon 28-Oct-13 19:39:59

Thanks Milly. im looking forward to reading everyone elses stories and going to try and listen to the cd at least once a week. wish I could get it on my phone so I always had it with me! x

MillyRules Mon 28-Oct-13 20:16:26

I think you can get it on your phone....confused

FaithTheVampireSlayer Mon 28-Oct-13 20:23:00

Hi shezam! I'm Faith. I've got the CD on my phone - I ripped the CD to my computer then put it on my music on my phone. Last year when I was in hospital in pain and stressed I found it helpful to listen to it, helped me relax!

I am doing rubbish to be honest sad Still struggling with Faithlet's reflux and lack of daytime sleep. I did leave some tea when I was full though so that's something. Really should think to do the tapping.

shezam Tue 29-Oct-13 06:34:05

Hi Faith! how did you rip it from cd? sorry I'm not very clued up! my partner might be able to do it though smile x

FaithTheVampireSlayer Tue 29-Oct-13 07:26:24

What kind of phone do you have? I've done it for my HTC desire and more recently an iPhone. I put the CD in and opened media player (iTunes for the iPhone), click on 'rip' and it'll put it on the computer. Then you link your phone to the computer and you can put it on the music on your phone.

shezam Tue 29-Oct-13 08:41:15

Brilliant, thank you :D I've got an S4, i'm sure i'll figure out.

Day 2 for me, breakfast was one boiled egg two slices of toast. Was tough to know when I was full this morning I jut have to take it slower I think. Left a little bit then when I arrived at work thought I was hungry but had some water instead, the feeling has dissapeared.

Looking forward to hearing how everyone else is getting on.

ppeatfruit Tue 29-Oct-13 09:19:46

Morning all thlgrin shezam that 'feeling hungry too soon after eating' feeling is helped by a glass of water and I have a green/mint tea which deffo gets rid of it!

Are you sleeping ok? because lack of sleep doesn't help Faith As you know when we're tired we don't secrete the hormone that tells our gut when we're full apparently.

MillyRules Tue 29-Oct-13 11:05:02

Morning Ladies......morning ppsmile smile smile

MillyRules Tue 29-Oct-13 11:11:47

Think I will listen to my cd today.....maybe that's why weight loss has stalled. blush

ppeatfruit Tue 29-Oct-13 12:10:10

Hi milly grin There are a couple of things you could do to give it a kickstart if you want!

MillyRules Tue 29-Oct-13 15:00:52

Sorry pp my internet is down so using "EDGE" connection through Vodafone. Go ahead....am just about to listen to cd.

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ppeatfruit Tue 29-Oct-13 15:10:35

Well you know the tried and tested turmeric grin and nettle tea and or supplements, also artichoke supplements. Don't worry about yr internet being down I find I do a lot more round the house when mine is down (or I force myself to 'sleep' it grin.)

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ppeatfruit Tue 29-Oct-13 15:15:00

Or maybe try yr. blood type blush (she says very shyly) because it's healthy and you never know it may well do it for you! It does do it for me as you know.

MillyRules Tue 29-Oct-13 15:45:13

pp I know it works brilliantly for you smile. but when I tried it last time you suggested it it....
( a) brought on feelings of deprivation because for my type there are foods I'm not allowed to eat and that goes against the pm idea and causes disordered eating for me..
(b) I don't fit the profile of an 0 type anyway....doesn't sound like me at all.smile
BUT thankyou for thinking of me anyway grin

ppeatfruit Tue 29-Oct-13 15:59:46

The personality profiles are bollox IMO . P.M. does say that if a food makes you ill it's best not to eat it; if you felt better when you were on it it may be worth persevering because your health is very important after all. IIWM I'd give up one food at a time and see how you feel e.g. wheat which can be replaced with rye bread.rice flour etc.

IMHO it's a matter of being positive thinking what you CAN eat rather than vice versa O types are lucky in that you can eat almost all meats and fish ,sweet potatoes, rice etc. You can make tarts with ground almonds, linseeds etc. I'll help if you like.

There are lots of 'instead of' foods now which is great they may cost more though. Anyhow enough of my lecture you do what you want of course! grin

MillyRules Tue 29-Oct-13 21:53:48

pp I eat very healthily and don't eat wheat much but I want to eat normally not diet in any way shape or form. I know for you your blood group diet works and that is brilliant but for me it's restrictive and unnecessary. Thanks anyway.smile

MillyRules Tue 29-Oct-13 22:31:27

pp to answer your post. When I tried it I couldn't stick to it because the foods that it said for me to eat don't all agree with me and the ones it said to avoid are good to me. You mention being positive about the foods it allows me to eat........but that is restricting my food choices and is definitely DIET mentality. There are many diets out there like the blood type but I don't want to diet. That's why I'm doing Paul McKenna. pp as I said I'm glad you like doing the diet but it is definitely a diet and it is restricting your food choices and is therefor the opposit of Pauling. There are loads of diets that claim to be good for your health, each of them with ponderous claims , but diets they are. smile

MillyRules Tue 29-Oct-13 23:19:34

Sorry ladies for what appears to be my many posts....I only did it once I promise shock

ppeatfruit Wed 30-Oct-13 08:26:17

Don't worry about it Milly I will say that what we eat is our diet (it's the diet industry that has given the emotion to the word) e.g. we can have an unhealthy one or a healthy one P.M. is very keen to point out the benefits of a good one and he does reckon we all would choose the healthy option when we CAN choose.

I don't LIKE following the blood type I do it because I want to be totally healthy which it makes me (with a few tweaks; nothing is perfect grin)

MillyRules Wed 30-Oct-13 09:32:25

pp that's sad that you are eating in a way that you don't like. That takes the joy out of what eating is all about. What do you think would happen if you stopped eating that way? sad I'm guessing you believe you will become ill. Slit of illness or " dis- ease" is created within our bodies by our attitudes and what we believe though. Our past can also create dis- ease within our bodies unless we deal with it .
I eat healthily, always have done. I am a lover of veg, salads, nuts and good quality food. I don't drink alcohol anymore cause I'm allergic to it but I do miss good red wine sad . I have been into alternative therapies for about thirty years now and mindful eating for the last twenty years. I do affirmations and positive thinking, meditate and do yoga and lots of walking. We are definitely what we eat as each mouthful is creating each new cell and repairing the body BUT food is also so much more. It has to be pleasure as well as medicine. smile

ppeatfruit Wed 30-Oct-13 10:10:26

We all want to eat 'basically" IMO as we ate as DCs don't we? But if e.g. I shoved sweeties down my throat and had a sugary ,buttery cake or pudding every day i would be ill and overweight so I make my own versions of these foods and have them sparingly. I really enjoy what I eat though grin

The only food I DO miss is tomatoes; they really give me eczema and I don't want to look like a redcurrant so i don't eat them. I tested out the foods that were my avoids and found out when I didn't eat them I cured the indigestion and occasional IBS/ constipation I'd had for many years that's why I'm on it.

Vivacia Wed 30-Oct-13 10:16:03

What do you mean by "dis ease" Milly?

HALLOsolohowyouWEEN Wed 30-Oct-13 10:19:10

<waves> Hello ladies!

ppeatfruit Wed 30-Oct-13 10:24:38

Hi solo how 's things? thlgrin getting ready for trick or treating I see thlgrin

MillyRules Wed 30-Oct-13 10:37:48

pp you said you don't Luke following the blood type diet . Nothing wrong with a bit of cake or sweeties in moderation. I don't get fat or ill from having them if and when I want them.
pp you appear to be in a contradiction. You do the blood type diet cause you feel that it stops you becoming ill but you say you don't like it. You told me that if I did the blood type that I should view it in a way that I should be positive about the foods I am allowed to eat. To me you eating in a disordered way and not in keeping with the spirit of the way we are trying to eat on this way of eating.

MillyRules Wed 30-Oct-13 10:45:57

Dis-ease is when the body is not at ease.

Vivacia Wed 30-Oct-13 10:49:00

So you mean "unease" then?

MillyRules Wed 30-Oct-13 10:52:29

pp.....I just don't get it. I say I'm going to listen to the cd and kick start my mindfull PM eating again and you offer some tips which are to do turmeric and olive oil and to do the " Blood Type Diet"!! I thought you would go e tips on eating within the PM way not telling me to diet.
Please stop trying to get people to eat the way you feel is the best way. It's not for everyone that's why we have come to this thread. We are fed up of " fad " diets that promise this or that. Um trying to eat by the principles if this thread.

ppeatfruit Wed 30-Oct-13 10:54:17

What is an 'ordered' way of eating? no one really knows unless we go back to the stone age grin we'll agree to differ but I do remember you saying you were ill on your usual diet.

I always question what I do in life i don't follow rules for the sake of it (i tailor my blood type WOE to suit me) I only meant that if I ate EXACTLY what I wanted e.g. what I liked as a child I'd be ill so I don't.

MillyRules Wed 30-Oct-13 10:57:39

dis gives the opposit meaning to something. So dis-ease is when the body is not at ease.

MillyRules Wed 30-Oct-13 10:58:43

I don't think I have said I am I'll on my usual diet only that I know I have foods I avoid.

MillyRules Wed 30-Oct-13 10:58:54

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MillyRules Wed 30-Oct-13 11:03:02

pp I respect that you eat how you do because you feel it keeps you healthy. It may work for you but you are suggesting it to me time and time again when I and some of the others have said that we are not interested.

MillyRules Wed 30-Oct-13 11:07:46

pp You know people come to this thread to stop diets as they have done them for years and are tired of it and some even have severe eating disorders. This woe is to help them to normalise food again but if you don't mind me saying so, you are derailing all that with your talk of good and bad foods and fad diets. People have left the thread because of it.

Vivacia Wed 30-Oct-13 11:10:40

I agree with Milly. I think, ppeat, you mean well and what you have to say may be of interest to some people but this thread is not the place to discuss it.

ppeatfruit Wed 30-Oct-13 11:14:02

That's fine i'll keep my mouth shut. BTW I don't feel it keeps me healthy I KNOW it does, but as I said no one is making you do what you don't want to do .

MillyRules Wed 30-Oct-13 11:23:18

Viv how are things going with you ?

MillyRules Wed 30-Oct-13 11:24:09

Solo.....are you managing to get the house sorted?

Vivacia Wed 30-Oct-13 12:11:27

Thanks for asking Milly. I'm one dress size away from where I'm aiming for. More importantly, I'm happy with the way I'm eating (and not over-eating!).

MillyRules Wed 30-Oct-13 12:41:52

That's great Viv. I'm maintaining which is great and my weight doesn't go up but really want to lose another stone of fat. That's why I've started listening to the cd again and reading the book. I love his CDs .....so relaxing and after I didn't eat much yesterday so it's working already. grin grin grin Will listen to it every day if I can as that always helps me refocus. smile

shezam Wed 30-Oct-13 19:01:19

hi guys. weighed myself today, down 2lb from last week smile can you tell me how the hypnotic gastric band works with alcohol? I have quite a few big nights out planned between now and new year and im not sure what to expect xxx

MillyRules Wed 30-Oct-13 20:17:03

O well done shezam 2lbs is a great start especially when your eating what you want. Alcohol is different for each of us. I don't drink it myself but I think alcohol can numb your mind so you eat more without realising it. Also it does make you feel hungrier. I wouldn't worry too much about it though. smile

Vivacia Wed 30-Oct-13 21:19:55

I remember in I Can Make You Thin Paul responds to the FAQ about alcohol, that nobody ever got fat from drinking so if you want an alcoholic drink, go for it.

I had two thoughts about this. Firstly, I know people who shed the weight when they give up beer for a month (especially men) and secondly, that it's probably psychological. If he advised you not to drink, you'd want it all the more.

FaithTheVampireSlayer Wed 30-Oct-13 21:42:38

Doesn't the book say it's ok to drink but don't drink during a meal? You're likely to drink more during a meal I think.

Well done Shezam, great start!

HALLOsolohowyouWEEN Thu 31-Oct-13 00:18:17

Hi pp grin No to trick or treating for real, but it's my seasonal nc!
Rules, <sigh> no not really, but I've come up with a plan! I'm going to rent some storage for a while, get the rewiring done and possibly the windows replaced and some plastering before bringing it all back gradually and decluttering it from that angle! also considering going for a third bedroom extension instead of splitting the current master bedroom into two very small areas for the Dc's. It wont be an immediate thing with that though as I think I need to call in the insurance people to look into movement (again!) with the single storey extension and the main building. Last time it was collapsed drains and I'm thinking it could be the same as I have lav drainage problems and odd smells of old/stagnant water in the middle (ish) of the house...not looking forward to it.

Since being assaulted I have turned to food blush and gained 14lbs of the 28lbs I originally lost. I'm giving a little effort, not much and I've lost 5lbs this week so far. I keep saying that I need to do stuff (I need to lose weight, I need to sort my messy house out etc and talking to a friend of mine, she said that I have to want to sort my house (that was the topic of conversation) rather than need to and she is so right! Soooo, I've changed my outlook and I now want to lose weight and I want to sort my house! far more positive thinking I feel.

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 01:16:07

Hi Solo well done on the five pounds. That's bloody brilliantgrin . Good idea with the storage idea. At least it frees up space until you sort yourself out more. Not good about possible drainage problems. They will get sorted though. You could even go one step further with the "want" and turn it into a "I am now" losing weight or " I am now sorting out my house" ......maybe.

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 01:19:09

How you feeling about not working now Solo....do you miss it much? smile

HALLOsolohowyouWEEN Thu 31-Oct-13 02:03:03

No, I don't miss it much...can't get my head round needing a job though! I do want to try not to get a job before Feb/March so that I can actually do the house stuff...

Billyjean123 Thu 31-Oct-13 09:13:29

Hi All
Hope you don't mind me joining in. I've just had the Paul McKenna gastric band fitted, and wanted to mention some of my observations. I last week used it once, but then swapped to his I can make you thin, as I'm only 21lbs overweight now. However I found it difficult to gauge how full I was after eating. So I then redid the gastric band last night, and had some amazing effects.
Straight afterwards, I tested it by eating a banana, which made me fill immediately full. I then had 2 slices of toast, which I did'nt really need, and went to bed feeling full but with horrible heartburn.

This morning I had a small bowl of Cheerios at 8am, felt immediately full, and still feeling stuffed and slightly sick an hour later ( on one small bowl of cereal !! ) So I must have over eaten slightly.

This is brilliant if it continues. I could Definately see a lot of weight coming of quick. Think I am starting to get a bit of heartburn again. Thanks for listening, just been reading this thread, and wanted to let you all know.

ppeatfruit Thu 31-Oct-13 09:24:03

Morning All Happy Halloween thlgrin thlgrin Oh I like trick or treating thlgrin can you guess? For the first time we had TOTers last year so I'm picking a pumpkin from our back field and doing the thang tonight also bought sweets for them yesterday!!

WRF drinking I don't reckon the odd glass of red wine is going to harm you or the P.M. woe thlgrin

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 11:09:43

jellybean sounds good with the hypno band. Are you going to listen to it regularly? Some think it's best to do it a couple of times a week in the beginning. If I were you I would start doing the four golden rules with it though so that you don't overeat. Once you tune into your true hunger and stop as soon as you are satisfied then you hopefully won't get that overfull feeling.grin

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 11:12:12

Morning pp. Bless with the pumpkin and sweets. That's a nice thing to do for the kids. We don't get any callers as we are too rural. smile

ppeatfruit Thu 31-Oct-13 11:25:12

Hi Milly How's the rebooting P.M. going?

welcome billyjean we don't mind you joining at all that's what we're here for thlgrin. As well as Milly says tuning in properly to your body (it takes a while to get over old habits) it's useful to remember the 'have a glass of water or green tea' rule if you have that hungry feeling straight after you eat too.

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 12:13:31

One pound of fat gone ppgrin
The drink after a meal is a brilliant tip.....I started doing it last week when you suggested it. wink

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 12:16:01

hahaha omg how did I manage to turn Billyjean into * Jellybean*.....bit of dyslexic thinking going on there wink

Billyjean123 Thu 31-Oct-13 12:33:31

Thanks, I rather like the name jellybean, and may change it to that. I am following the 4 rules alongside the gastric band, as you have to. I have been doing the water thing, however I was having it beforehand, but may change it to afterwards. I would like to eat my food and enjoy it first becoming full I think.

I have just had a magnum with my cheese and ham toastie, as was not quite satisfied. Hope i am doing this right. Feel good now

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 12:53:38

Jelly wink When you eat following the rules and chewing about 20 times pp s advice) then you find that you eventually don't always eat the whole toastie or the whole Magnum. For me eating half a toastie works then I have a feeling of satisfaction in my tummy, not full. Same with a magnum, I generally get the mini ones as I am satisfied with half a big one. Once you treat all food as equal then you find you start to be able to leave food on your plate rather than finishing it just because it's there.smile

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 12:54:43

You might have to call yourself ....Jellybean 2468 or something if jellybean is taken wink

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 13:10:13

and defo don't have water first.....unless your thirsty grin. the aim of this woe is to enjoy all food conciously not to try and find ways to eat less. Eating less will come naturally as long as you follow the rules. They seem easy but you really need to concentrate when eating . It's a case of making meals a total foodie experience where you satisfy all the senses if you see what I mean .smile

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 13:20:26

With regard to the drinking after eating....I started doing it as sometimes when I think I'm still hungry I am actually hungry. If I'm still wanting food after the drink then I go and decide what I'm hungry for. I can eat half my meal and be satisfied but still be hungry for something else . Icecream or fruit or chocolate or hot pudding and custard etc.

Jellybean456 Thu 31-Oct-13 16:45:55

Thanks for the tips. Are you allowed to snack in between meals at all? If so, what do you have?
Think I will re read book again. I noticed by doing the trance 2nd time around that here were things that I missed. Maybe the same with the book.

Vivacia Thu 31-Oct-13 16:57:54

Jelly if you are hungry, you eat. Reread the first post of this thread for a good summary.

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 20:04:19

Yay.!!!!! Jellybean* you got your name grin
With regard to the hypno cd....don't try to listen to what he says. He tells you to concentrate on counting down from 300. That's so you keep your concious mind busy whilst he talks to your subconscious. Most of us don't remember what he says but we feel we drift off and then wake when he says " wide awake*.
With regard to snacking....if you are really hungry then eat. If not wait till you are. If you aim to eat like a slim person....they seem to only eat when they're hungry and stop when they're full but always eat what you are hungry for.smile

Jellybean456 Thu 31-Oct-13 20:24:23

Thanks Milly and Viv

I am not always hungry, but sometimes I might see a banana and fancy it. So does that mean I cannot have it, as I'm not hungry?

Is hungry for it and fancy it mean the same?

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 20:28:36

Jellybean if your not actually hungry, why eat. ???? That's why we tend to gain weight, cause we eat when our bodies are not hungry and asking for food. You know what genuine hunger is....it's that feeling that you just cannot ignore.

Vivacia Thu 31-Oct-13 20:34:48

So does that mean I cannot have it, as I'm not hungry

Correct, that's my understanding too. You only eat when hungry and if you're not hungry you identify why you want to eat (boredom or comfort or habit etc). I find for me it's linked to my childhood, so I tell myself, "I may eat the banana now, but I'm choosing not to. I'm choosing to eat it later when I'll be hungry and really savour it".

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 20:34:52

This way of eating is how we would eat normally. Your body asks for food when it truly needs it. When you eat and you are not hungry then you are storing those calories. Jellybean re read the book grin grin grin grin grin

Jellybean456 Thu 31-Oct-13 20:36:34

I've really got to get my head around this, and years of just eating whenever. You're right, and its probably going to be my difficulty. Today for instance, I had the odd jelly baby sweet whilst at a kids Halloween party.

I suppose I stupidly thought that I could still have the odd sweet or fruit snack in between my main meals.

Vivacia Thu 31-Oct-13 20:41:35

I think it would have been ok to eat the odd sweet, so long as you did so mindfully. Were you aware of it's texture and colour and shape as you picked it up? Did you notice what it smelt of? Did you chew it twenty times before swallowing, savouring the flavour, sweetness or sourness? I find after doing that with a Malteaser (even though I'm just pretending I'm eating 'cos I'm hungry) I put the rest of the pack back in the cupboard. There's something nice about taking five days to eat a pack of Malteasers!

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 20:48:34

The way I do it is I buy all the foods I love....lovely cheeses, salty Welsh butter, cream, Green And Blacks Chocolate, nuts, fruits, veg, meat, proper icecream, cakes if I want....anything. BUT I only eat when my body is truly hungry. There is a hunger scale. in the book to help you. Always eat slowly and conciously.

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 20:52:12

Vivacia that's exactly what I try and do too. I'll put a piece of chocolate in my mouth and feel it melt all over my tongue and mouth tasting its cocoa creamyness. smile

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 20:53:44

And if you fall off the wagon you can just wait till your genuinely hungry again and restart.

Jellybean456 Thu 31-Oct-13 21:24:11

Thanks all. Not hungry at all tonight. Also find recently that I don't really even have that hunger thing in the morning.

Going to see how long I can go tomorrow morning before eating. Have got Zumba and yoga in the morning, but will bring a banana with me in case.

Goodnight all

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 21:25:37

Chat tomorrow Jellybeansmile

Vivacia Thu 31-Oct-13 21:35:19

Funny you say about breakfast. I used to eat breakfast because that's just what you do! Now I wait until I'm hungry. Sometimes I wake up starving and eat as soon as the animals are seen to. Other days I can keep going until 10 before I feel hungry.

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 21:37:14

I tend to not eat till lunchtime....never feel hungry in the mornings.smile

MillyRules Thu 31-Oct-13 21:38:35

How much have you lost on this woe Vivacia?

Vivacia Fri 01-Nov-13 05:13:12

I'm not sure about pounds, but I started again when my size 12s were feeling too tight and am now nearly a ten again.

Jellybean456 Fri 01-Nov-13 08:43:18

Well had breakfast before Zumba as felt slightly hungry. Actually threw away 2 toast that I'd made as I did'nt like the taste of the bread. Unheard of for me. In the past I would have still eaten it. I then had toast with the bread that I love thick Granary whole grain smothered in butter and marmalade and a caffe latte. Left the crusts as my contribution and enjoyed every mouthful, smelling the toast, chewing slowly, and savouring the taste as the bread went down. I feel full now. Has taken me 10 mins to feel full.

Also I know that I should'nt have, and I will have to lose the scales, but I weighed myself and have lost 1 lb in two days

Also re read the book last night which was good. It actually says not to drink with your meals on the gastric band, and to avoid soups and smoothies. Reason not to drink with meals is so your food does'nt pass through the opening too fast, so you feel more full quickly.

And soups/ smoothies, casseroles- if you have a choice, choose something else, because more solid food allows you to feel full more quickly.

So am drinking after meals now.

Jellybean456 Fri 01-Nov-13 09:10:39

Me again. I think I will have to write in my journal, as seem to be using here at the moment. But find it useful to go back to and share observations with you all.

Well, I know again that I have over eaten this morning, as half an hour after eating I felt stuffed. Will have to control what I eat like you suggested yesterday, by having breaks in between mouthfuls. I am also going to time things. Yesterday it took me half an hour to know I was full, yet today 10 mins, then 20 mins after that came the uncomfortable stuffed bloated feeling.

Also have a headache today, as think that I've not drunk enough water. To make sure I drink more water every day.

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 09:11:25

Good for you Vivacia. Did you originally start from a size 12?
Can I also ask, how long has it taken you to get from tight 12s to nearly 10s? I'm very nosy I know but positive stories help us all.

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 09:14:27

I have weighed too after a couple of days Jellybean ...lost a pound. I don't gain weight but had stopped losing so have restarted. Although it's easy to do this woe its also easy to forget to do the "rules" properly.

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 09:18:17

Jellybean....please feel free to write down your days on thread. We can all benefit from your feedback and also help you if you want it.

Vivacia Fri 01-Nov-13 09:32:03

About six weeks? Perhaps two months. Can you tell I've not been very good with the journal?

I agree that reading 'diary entries' here is helpful and motivating. I think the only thing which would make Paul better would be face-to-face weekly classes.

FlatsInDagenham Fri 01-Nov-13 09:43:47

Hello. Nice to meet you all. I've read most of this thread and I'm reading 'I can make you thin' at the moment.

I love the principles of this way of eating and I'm really hoping this is going to be my lightbulb moment. I am sooo ready to leave behind dieting, worrying about dieting, self loathing, guilt, secret eating etc etc, for good.

I am a size 16-18. I would like to be size 10-12. I absolutely hate weighing myself so I am more than happy to follow Paul's advice to put the scales away!

I have 2 questions for you:

1. I struggle to find time to listen to the CD. How much of a difference do you believe it makes? How often do you listen to it?

2. How long have you been following the rules and what changes has it made to your body size and your self esteem?

Thanks all. I hope everyone is having a good day. smile

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 10:18:02

Hi Flats.....Welcomegrin
I personally believe the CDs to be amazing. Not only do they relax you and give you a lovely " time out" that is deeply nourishing but it also hypnotises you on a subconscious level. You dont even have to listen conciously to what he is saying. I listen anytime but you can do this without the cd as its just about re learning how to eat normally and instinctively.
With regard to body issues and dieting.....I have followed mindful eating for about twenty years and it has freed me for the most part from dieting. On the odd occasion I have attempted a diet it has resulted in diet first day full of optimism and excitement
Deprivation by evening
Feel sad and upset at not been able to choose any food I want
to finally crying and realising how much I am hurting myself ......and then to the shops to do a proper Mindful eating/Paul McKenna shop and feeling happy and in control again.smile
Dieting to me is the cause of bingeing and overeating and then we get fatter and fatter believing that the next diet will be the one that works and of course it doesn't. To eat this way frees you from all that but re learning how to eat when your truly hungry is a challenge as we have for the most part, lost touch with instinctive eating.

Sent from my HTC.

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 10:24:24

With regard to body size...that is ongoing as I have maintained and not gained weight for years with mindful eating. I started PM woe about a year ago and initially lost weight and then maintained that weight but have recently rebooted myself to lose another stone. smile

ppeatfruit Fri 01-Nov-13 10:25:12

Morning all it's been busy on here !!! Welcome FlatsIn grin nice to meet you too. It sounds like you 've found the best WOE there is IMHO! to answer your questions -

1. The CD helps a lot esp. at the beginning but the book does too you can get an app too and DVDs. I 've been following it for nearly 3 years now blimey shock! (off and on which is another beauty of this you can just pick up and start again if you go "off' for a bit).

2. I've gone from 14 to 16 to 8 to 10 dress size my self esteem has never been too bad because i only realised I was overweight by looking at pix.!! I'm lucky because I never was a calorie counter or Special Diet Food type dieter.. I follow another woe of eating which I 've done for over 10 years .

Bon journee to you too grin

Jellybean456 Fri 01-Nov-13 13:31:50

Well just had a cheese on toast and some mini choc eggs (5) and feel full now. Currentyly at the kiddies play zone with my 3 yr old daughter. Did zumba and yoga this morning but felt a little sick. Also again a little heartburn. Is this side effect of the hypno gastric band?

Also been thinking of this woe. I'm my early twenties (30 yrs ago) I can remember before I ever dieted mlindful eating naturally. I remember never testing big meals or even chips in the daytime because of the horrible bloated feeling that I would get for the rest of the day. I never ate big meals. I didn't have weight issues then. I think it all started with dieting.

Also I look at my toddler who naturally eats like this. She only eats when hungry, and stops when full. Also only eats what she likes. And I let her eat like this, I never force her to eat more, and disagree with parents that do this.

Hopefully she will never have weight issues or diet.

Jellybean456 Fri 01-Nov-13 13:33:12

That should have read 'in my early twenties'

Jellybean456 Fri 01-Nov-13 13:37:22

Sorry lots of typo errors, because of predictive typing. Have to learn how to edit my postings.

Should read: before I ever dieted, I did mindful eating naturally.I remember never tasting big meals or chips in the daytime

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 14:14:10

Jellybean....that's it in a nutshell. Most children when they're little and before they start getting told off for their food choices, eat when they are hungry stop when full. Most slim people eat like this too. That's the aim if this way of eating. Diets are to blame for most of us. Diets cause disordered eating in that we allow others to choose what and how much we can eat rather than listening to our own bodies.

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 14:18:25

Also Jelly lots of people on the hypno band report those feelings in your stomach after inserting. Nothing to worry about. Your body is believing it has a band.
I too spent my life worrying about food and how much I ate and what size I was. Now I'm fifty I just am not prepared to diet ever again or have anyone or anything control my food choices. grin

Jellybean456 Fri 01-Nov-13 15:31:40

Hi Milly, PP, Flats and Viv

I agree regarding dieting. I don't ever want to do dieting again. I admit that this year, I lost 2 and a half stone, taking me from 12.13 stone to 10.8 on a Vlcd. But that was hard and difficult. In the end I was on a VLCD for about 5 months, and the end results in the weight lost for the short term was good. However I know that it is not sustainable because of the damage it as done to my mind with regards to eating. I came off the diet, then did'nt know how to maintain it, so then went onto alternate day fasting. This made it worse, as I then wanted to binge on my up days. However within my kcals allowance. But it still felt like binging to me. Then I was feeling deprived on my fast down days.

I want to now either lose weight or maintain it without all these fad diets, as they are not sustainable in the long term for me.

I have also lost a lot of weight in the past on WW, but again, it is always short lived, and I end up putting the weight back on.

I think dieting is psychologically damaging and un natural, and I know that I have still got food issues because of it. Hopefully using PM will get me back to normal.

Going to practise the havering technique today.

Thank you for telling me that the heartburn and sick feeling is a side effect of the band. It has subsided now after my exercise class.

Jellybean456 Fri 01-Nov-13 15:31:59

'Havening'

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 16:12:02

Wow Jellybean you have my respect for actually just doing a vlcd. They are terrible.
The alternate day or the 14. 10. or. 16. 8 are just fads and they too will pass. It's just another way of starving yourself.

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 16:14:01

If you can put the same effort and determination into doing this then you can and will succeed.grin

Jellybean456 Fri 01-Nov-13 21:01:04

Right another observation made. I ate this afternoon at 1pm, and thought that I'd wait till I really am aware that I am hungry before I had my tea.

Anyway I cannot gauge me feeling hungry. So in the end I had my tea at 8.30 pm, 3 hours later than the rest of the family.

I even read the book, and tried to gauge where I was on the hunger scale. I guessed that I was no 5 neutral, but still not sure if I was slightly hungry no 4. In the end I had a side plate with a small amount of potato and cheese bake, and 2 tbsp beans. Finished off with a banana.

Again, felt the full feeling at 10 mins exactly.

Need some help though in recognising when hungry. I wonder if my VLCD diet disrupted this somehow, as I was always in ketosis, which suppressed the hunger signals?

Find that I'm having to guess. Any thoughts on this anyone.

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 21:20:54

Hi Jelly ...did you eat anything between 1 and 8.30?

Jellybean456 Fri 01-Nov-13 21:26:15

No, but I had a caffe latte about 4pm, and about 4 glasses of water. Did not snack at all.

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 21:30:18

I can go long periods between meals. If you don't feel hungry, dont eat until you feel the hunger. You will definitely know when your hungry like you did at breakfast time today. So I wouldn't have eaten till I felt that same hungry feeling again.

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 21:35:32

Maybe just try to not eat now until you really feel the need and then you should realise what hungry feels like to you. smile. You won't starve but your body will definitely let you know when it needs refuelling.

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 21:37:23

If you had a latte isn't that a milky drink? That can be filling and protein filled.

Jellybean456 Fri 01-Nov-13 21:49:32

Just remembered that I also had a Pepsi max. I will Definately now not eat until I know that I am hungry. Now not sure if I have really been hungry yet. I am so used to eating 3 times a day, that I think that I may be actually kidding myself that I have been hungry, even this morning.

I'm going out for lunch tomorrow, so I am going hold off breakfast if I don't know if I am Definately hungry.

I will also stop the lattes for a while until I experience the hunger.

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 22:18:13

Good idea. People say they don't ever feel hunger but in my opinion if you go without food long enough you will definitely feel that feeling of desperation to get food down you grin . That said, that is not how you want to be all the time ( desperate that is) you want to find pleasantly hungry most of the time and then think what it is you really want to eat.

MillyRules Fri 01-Nov-13 22:44:00

You can have Pepsi normal if you like. I don't think any diet food is encouraged on this woe grin

FaithTheVampireSlayer Fri 01-Nov-13 23:07:03

I now avoid diet drinks like the plague. The only thing I do still have is skimmed milk but because I prefer the taste.

I don't think I realised/remembered what true hunger was until I started BF! Never known hunger like it! That phase has passed now she's feeding less. I am pleased to say I've broken the biscuits with my cuppa first thing habit (I was eating them mindlessly). Hadn't weighed myself for a week but checked today and I've dropped 2lb. Feeling encouraged by that!

MillyRules Sat 02-Nov-13 01:50:18

Awwww....well done Faith 2lbs is a brill. Hope your doing ok grin

Jellybean456 Sat 02-Nov-13 08:00:55

Thanks Milly and Faith

I actually don't like Pepsi normal, as am so used to diet drinks. I don't like the taste. But will only have them now and again. Also I've also always had sweeteners in my coffee. Should I give that up too? I have tried and don't like coffee without sugar.

I've weighed this morning and have lost another 2lb since yesterday. That's about 3lb loss since Monday. Really pleased as I had gained 5lb when I came of the VLCD.

It's now 8 am, and I'm trying to decide if I'm hungry or not. Well I think that I am still at stage 5- neutral on the scale. So having a normal coffee at the moment, and checking in every half hour or thereabouts till I feel the need to eat. Will need to distinguish between desperately hungry and pleasantly hungry I think.

Well done Faith on your 2lbs loss as well.

Jellybean456 Sat 02-Nov-13 08:04:24

Ps Faith

You've helped me remember some hungry times I had.

I felt true hunger when pregnant with Little one. I used to carry around baby bel cheeses in my pocket to snack on when I had to attend meetings. I almost always had these hunger pangs at 10 ish in the mornings

ppeatfruit Sat 02-Nov-13 09:59:41

Morning all grin wrf to coffee DH thinks it's a meal so he'll not eat for ages after a coffee and can't lose weight at all (and he really needs to). IMO and E it is good if you don't have one or 2 or whatever every single day 'cos my body got used to it.Every week or so is miles better then it speeds up my metabolic rate efficiently.
Congrats to everyone who's losing brilliant to see some action on here!

Jellybean456 Sat 02-Nov-13 10:46:29

Hi Pp

Think you're right about the coffee. I'll have to switch to tea. What does IMO and E mean please?

Just had one slice of buttered toast with peanut butter on it, as felt slightly hungry. Had a slight gnawing feeling in stomach, and did'nt want to get to ravenous stage.

Hopefully I won't be too full now for lunch. Usually have it about 1. Fancy a panini, chips, and glass red wine to finish off with.

MillyRules Sat 02-Nov-13 10:57:50

Hi Jellybean.... yay on the weightless. I have coffee whenever I feel like it and I enjoy it. Instant or real and I put sugar in. Sweeteners are thought to be bad for us. I love cappuccino with caramel syrup in. Yum. If it fills me up then I just wait till I feel hungry again. No food or drink is bad, just enjoy. Your lunch sounds yummy!!!grin

MillyRules Sat 02-Nov-13 17:38:59

Apart from sweeteners that is.......they're evil!

veryberrybug Sat 02-Nov-13 18:55:50

hi everyone & well done on your weightlosses <applause>!

viv i love your turn of phrase about "may have it now but choose to have it later" that really helps. & it tastes better later when i'm really hungry!

milly congrats on rebooting, hope it's still going well. i totally agree about the "starting a new diet" thought pattern of hopes-> quickly crashing into despair

billyjelly (wink LOL at milly's wee dyslexic moment there, i did the same!) it's lovely to read your entries as it's reminding me of stuff which i've gotten used to. i too love diet coke & sweeteners in my tea, cany stand the sugary stuff, but i drink them (only occasionally) because i like the flavour better not because of the calorie count. sometimes i have fruit sugar in my tea (because sweeteners are supposed to be bad for you) it's sweeter than normal sugar.

earlier in the week i ate half my lunch & stopped to read something really interesting (because i couldny wait until i'd finished & didny want to miss out noticing my yummy sarnies because i'd read during eating) & then decided i'd had enough after a drink so put it back in the fridge. but then i was hungry an hour later so ate it then. seemed a bit pointless having waited because i then had to eat it with a half-fed baby hanging over my arm... but it still tasted good.

got my weigh & measure done & though weight static my body fat % gone down a wee bit & a wee quarter/half-inch off here & there smile the best bit was when the curves staff member (who has experience & understanding WRT binge-eating) was saying "well done overcoming the bingeing" i replied that i hadn't had to do anything to "overcome" it, it just wasny there any more because i'm not dieting anymore! woohoo! what a lovely realisation! thanks Paul & you guys! flowers

MillyRules Sat 02-Nov-13 19:09:51

whose Billyjelly???? lol !!!grin

veryberrybug Sat 02-Nov-13 19:26:42

p.s. billyjean123/jellybean456 (does that answer your Q millyrules?!) i get heartburn only if i've overeaten - like there's just no enough room in my tum for the food so it bursts up. & if i'm no sure if i'm hungry, i gently poke just under my sternum, because that's where you feel real hunger. if you keep checking in to try & notice if you're hungry, the signal gets louder & clearer.

Jellybean456 Sat 02-Nov-13 20:21:57

Thanks veryberrybug

Will try the poking the sternum when checking in for hunger. Well enjoyed my lunch today, and left my bread crusts and some chips, also half a glass of red wine, as just could'nt eat or drink anymore.

Ate at 7.30 pm tonight with a neutral hunger, and put everything I fancied on a plate. Very carby food though that I fancied. Seem to fancy bread all the time, and currently peanut butter. Also stuck 3 jammy dodgers on my plate and a couple of mini choc eggs. Felt like I'd had a mini feast, and really enjoyed it. Finished off with a Belgian options hot chocolate. Pleasantly full and satisfied.

Have downloaded the book 'beyond chocolate' to read, as recommended by someone.

Now do I change my name to 'Billyjelly', no sorry Veryberrybug but I prefer 'Jellybean'

veryberrybug Sat 02-Nov-13 21:37:41

LOL i think jellybean is better too, i just like to mix my doofer with my shanker sometimes hmm definitely getting into hot chocolate season here grin i like the idea of leaving crusts as your leftover bit cos they're rubbish anyhoo. i love bread & sandwiches so much i struggle to leave any. the last few mornings i've had spelt toast with cashew nut butter, banana & a bit of chocolate spread - heavenly! & good fuel to cycle down the road, i never fancied my mid-morning snack until 11.30 those days! unfortunately tonight i overate though: DP gave me a mahoosive portion & i was somewhat distracted. but i've got the joy of heartburn now to remind me to notice what i'm doing next time! heheh i'll wash it down with gin grin

Jellybean456 Sat 02-Nov-13 22:34:25

Hi Veryberrybug

Have you got the hypno band? Just wondering about your heartburn? I only seemed to get the heartburn once I installed my hypno band.

Love your food choices, the bread,nut butter, banana etc. seem very much like mine.

The crusts bit is a good idea is'nt it? Can you believe that DH ate all my crusts of my plate whilst out. He always seems to finish off others leftovers once he has had his.

I started reading that book, and as I'm reading I'm noticing that I am already doing and practicing all the things already and naturally. Especially regarding the signs of knowing when you are hungry. Also picking up some good tips. Brilliant book so far. It goes hand in hand with this WOE.

Ps. Must get some chocolate spread tomorrow, and some more bananas. Also to add to my shopping list is a small tub of Ben and Kerry's cookie dough ice cream. A must have that I love, and haven't had since March. Think it's time now. Will eat these at my hungry times, as no foods are off limit. Yum yum xx

Jellybean456 Sat 02-Nov-13 22:41:00

Ps. What i've learnt today: My hunger signals- gnawing stomach, and mouth salivating at the thought of food.

When I am satisfied, I do not have these signals. Thinking of food when I am full and satisfied does not make me salivate or really interest me.

MillyRules Sat 02-Nov-13 23:43:33

Go Jellybean !!!

veryberrybug Sun 03-Nov-13 00:05:09

hi jelly ooh interesting wink that's really good you're picking up your own cues. go to the top of the class!

WRT heartburn: i've only had it in the last few weeks (before that it was during the overeating of the diet-binge era) & i'm wondering if it's a stress reaction as life has been full-on recently. i got the HGB book & CD in march & sadly i'm one of the few it's made bugger-all difference to sigh but the four rules have improved me mentals no end, i'm happy to be out of the diet prison (but wish i could lose a bit faster). i remember desperately scoffing kids leftover crusts shock (especially fe cheese toasties) in diet times <shudder> wouldny go back there for anything.

is the book you're reading the beyond chocolate one you'd mentionned or rereading the PMcK book?

ooh i couldny resist some cookie-dough ice-cream last weekend (foodshopping during school holidays with the kids... how could i say no?grin!!) (N.B. still half-price in Sainsbo's yesterday) but OMG i sooo regretted it: i'm wheat intolerant so my poor DP deserved a medal for sharing a room uncomplainingly with me as i duvet-lifted!! my poor tummy. cany wait 'til a GF version of that comes out!

i have pretty much constant appetite due to the meds i'm on (right now i could go a bacon butty /roast dinner /curry /cake&cream etc etc, even despite the heartburn! so i have to rely on the hunger scale a bit more heavily. i remember when i was thin, before i was on these meds, that i just didny fancy anything unless i was actually hungry <wistful gaze>! but at least Paul has given me tools to get past that...

FaithTheVampireSlayer Sun 03-Nov-13 07:29:49

I'm wheat intolerant too very. I've found the stricter I am with a GF diet, the worse I am when I consume it. I do miss some things though but the variety of GF food being produced now is brilliant. I especially like Newburn bake house wraps.

ForFawkesSakeNoGuyForSolo Sun 03-Nov-13 10:59:18

I was very naughty last night. I took my son out for a curry and I ate everything despite being full before I'd finished! blush

ppeatfruit Sun 03-Nov-13 11:23:13

Well i overate dh's amazing organic roast chicken \parsnips\carrots\ and wine gravy blush we can just reboot today though can't we? how are you sols?

veryberrybug Sun 03-Nov-13 12:16:27

LOL was it a full moon last night & thus why we all overate?!! grin rebooting it is.

i had reached critical mass with my exhaustion (which is always bad for my eating because i seek out sugar when i actually need sleep) & now i've had a massive lie-in & feeling well recharged from my lazy day yesterday. late breakfast, & i tried to leave my toast crusts i really did but they were yummy & i was still hungry so they've gone. heheh feeling like lunch is no far away either XD

faith yes i'm glad i'm eating GF now & not 10 years ago, i've found some delicious crackers & sweet tasties by mrs. crimble smile but where did you get the wraps of which you speak? i was wondering if i'll ever have fajitas again & no found a GF substitute wrap yet.

solo like the NC! wink

veryberrybug Sun 03-Nov-13 12:18:33

p.s. pp when you come to be my housekeeper with your wafts of essential oils, could you periodically draft in hubby to make an organic roast for us? grin sounds amazing. right, best get on; house won't sort itself!

FaithTheVampireSlayer Sun 03-Nov-13 14:21:33

Tesco very! It's a Warburton company.

Jellybean456 Sun 03-Nov-13 14:37:04

Hi All

Sounds like some of us have have slipped a bit or overeaten. I'm sure it's not a problem once in a while. We just move on and do the four rules again, right?

I've just slipped up. Had a lovely lunch on my side plate. Fitted in some cookie dough chip ice cream, And then whilst making coffee, helped myself to a delicious choc and cherry muffin filled with fresh cream. It was so naughty, as I was full, but lovely.

Went shopping this morning, and topped my cupboards up with things I deprive myself of: choc, popcorn, Nutella, pack fun size mars bars, cookie dough ice cream, crisps. Also bought bananas and apples, so not all sugar.

Got this tip from book beyond chocolate, which states that by buying loads of the things you avoid, they no longer become that attractive, if you know they are there. Also that there is nothing wrong in having these if you want, as you are not depriving yourself, you won't gorge on them. Well, I hope not.

I will eat the things I fancy when I am hungry, but not as snacks.

Hi Very- the book is beyond choc that I'm reading.

Feel the need for top up with hypnosis though, so going to do that tonight as my re boot.

I feel so full now, don't think I am going to be hungry for ages now.

MillyRules Sun 03-Nov-13 17:51:48

Jelly this is what I am constantly saying is the way to overcome overeating. You have to have the food you enjoy in your house and even if you start off overeating them, eventually they will become " normalised and you can take them or leave them. I have been doing this for twenty years and its sooo important to see all food as just food.

MillyRules Sun 03-Nov-13 18:22:04

Of course Paul also stresses the importance of legitimising all food. smile

MillyRules Sun 03-Nov-13 19:24:48

legalizing.....bloody phone

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Vivacia Sun 03-Nov-13 21:02:28

Tomorrow I'm going to have the best Paul Day ever, and really focus on all of the rules. Does anyone want to join me and/or hold me accountable?

veryberrybug Sun 03-Nov-13 22:35:37

yey i'll do it with you viv should be a challenge to be slow for me cos now i'm workin tues/wed/thur i feel the pressure that i have to get everything done on a monday that used to take me four days!

FFS i've still got effing heartburn, even every time i drink herbal tea (even the one with fennel, which is supposed to help) every swallow just triggers it. earth clinic says apple cider vinegar so i'm off to seek that tomorrow. any other ideas?

jelly i like your shopping list. i found that on initially allowing myself everything i did go a bit overboard on the sweet tasties (no problem, it's allowed!) but after a while i found i naturally didny fancy them all the time. only after i had the dieter's panic that i'd be a greedy pig forever, but as Paul said my body balanced itself out, came good in the end when i stopped interfering.

pp how long did it take for the turmeric to sort DSs cat allergy out? i'd stopped but started again this weekend because we've had a gorgeous kitten for a week now & i love her but feel a bit phlegmy <eeuw>

thanks faith i'll keep an eye out for them

Jellybean456 Sun 03-Nov-13 22:38:14

I'll join you Viv. I re booted tonight by listening to the trance again, and ready to go.

Strange day today re this WOE. I did well today following the rules, apart from lunch, when I ate a cake after already being full.

I should'nt have eaten this. It does'nt matter that it was a cake, but the fact that I was full. I've moved on from it, but should probably have done the havening or craving buster, or the panic trance.

What do you think?

Anyway, looking back over today, when I've eaten what I've liked, including chocs, ice cream and cake. I just wondered how many calories I had consumed.

Now, I know that you're not supposed to count calories ( this is not a diet), but I was curious.

I expected my calories for the day to be over my BMR. Anyway, it turned out to be 1340 kcals, well below my BMR, and at a rate I would lose weight.

This proves to me that this WOE is brilliant.

As we are going by our body's signals, in my mind I felt that I had eaten loads today and over what i should have done, however i was totally satisfied.

But I also had a bit of guilt, as still not used to eating like this.

My next few meals that I want when hungry are:

A crisp buttie - bought some tomato ketchup crisps today. Does anyone remember tomato crisps. I loved them as a kid, and used to love crisp sandwiches.

With a few spicy cashew nuts

Quorn sausages, mash and peas with gravy

I feel like I am getting all the foods I've been depriving myself out the way at the moment. This might go on for a little while I think until they are out of my mind.

Notice that I've got a cupboard full of chocolate at the moment, but I haven't felt the need to put them on my list.

Any thoughts anyone?

Also PP, you never told me what IMO and E means? I'm not totally up with all the online abbreviations, so did'nt quite understand your post.

Jellybean456 Sun 03-Nov-13 23:06:36

Ps. What I ate today:

Breakfast :1 slice of hovis thick bread buttered with peanut butter/ 3 mini choc eggs
Caffe latte

Lunch: Chicken risotto
Ben and Kerry's cookie dough chip ice cream
Chocolate and cherry fresh cream muffin
Couple of sips of shiraz red wine

Coffees and teas throughout the day

No evening meal as not hungry