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Should I consider lighter life?(61 Posts)
I am several stone overweight and a size 20. Have been for years. I've messed around with a million diets, losing 1-2 stone then getting demotivated cos it takes so bloody long.
My main worry is maintaining it after. Anyone got any thoughts? Aibu to think this could be a solution?
Wally - you are not starving yourself on this kind of diet. Effectively you are low carbing with reduced calories. This kind of diet promotes ketosis and once in ketosis the body will start using all of the excess fat in your body for its energy instead of using the carbohydrates and calories by food and in some cases excess food which is only going to get stored as even more fat.
I have seen someone starve to death - last year my father got down to about 5 stone and had no reserves and therefore his organs packed up and he eventually passed away, the body has to get down to this kind of weight to eventually stop working.
With an obese person or someone with a lot of fat reserves they are not going to "starve" as they have plenty of fat reserves that can be used for energy instead of the daily carbs/calories that would normally have.
By using a diet like this the fat reserves are going to be reduced quicker than on a reduced calorie diet like WW or similar. Simply because Weight Watchers will put you on about 1400 calories a day but a system like this will reduce that to about 600-800, therefore a 600-800 additional deficit of calories a day is going to mean you lose an extra 1lb or 2 from any other diet.
The "argument" that the CEO is obese is quite bizarre - so what? She chooses not to use her own products and I don't blame her - you have to be hardcore to take on a diet like this but if you are willing to its going to result in a far quicker weight loss than any other system. The same argument can be had for ANY dieter on ANY diet - a lot of people gain weight after dieting because they simply do not know what normal is and that is what made them big in the first place.
I think you can get good results by eating proper meals and cutting the carb bit so for instance have a roast dinner and either have no roast potatoes or just one or two. I did my own diet plan and went from obese to normal BMI. I felt funny for a few days and then didn't find it to difficult. Lighterlife type diets are so expensive. The money could buy really nice food such as prawns and chicken breasts. I know dieting is really difficult but I found nothing worked until I had a lightbulb moment and took responsibility for what my hand was putting into my mouth.
Spam The CEO actually did do the diet. That's how she ended up being involved in the programme. She invented the diet for herself and the other business partner.
The pictures on line were here "before and after pictures" of herself which she used to market the whole company.
She even invented the whole CBT therapy that went with the eating plan.
So if she prescribed the plan, and formulated the strategy, went on the diet because she wanted to lose the weight and yet still can't keep it off, regardless of expense (she is a millionaire in the Cayman islands with access to the product - whereas most people would say they didn't have the time or money to do the diet) then it doesn't say a lot about the success of the program really does it?
I can see why people might think if you don't have the willpower for weightwatchers you won't for a vlcd. But it did work for me where weightwatchers didn't. I couldn't have biscuits,sweets, chocolate, crisps and so on. So there were no treats. So it worked better for me than being allowed this and that and having to count it all. So not being allowed any biscuits was easier than being allowed one or two.
Wally but she did lose weight - she lost 9 stone so it was obviously a success! She was clearly VERY overweight in her first picture and although it doesn't say how much she originally weighed it looks like she was over 20 stone, it states she is now about 14 stone. Although she is still overweight it might be her choice to stay at 14 stone - who knows!
Not sure how you can say the diet wasn't a success with those numbers
But as I KEEP repeating if the person who loses weight does not adjust their eating post diet irrespective of the diet then they are only going to gain the weight - this is the same whatever diet you choose, there is no magical formula in a VLCD that makes someone put on weight quicker after following the diet.
It can be a very good option for a lot of people and should not be discounted with scaremongering through ignorance.
Dolly - also wanted to add that you could try slim and save - it's exactly the same, less than half price and they deliver to your home next working day. My friend has just lost a stone in 2 weeks by having 3 packs a day and one low carb meal a day - there is help in the packs to keep you on track on what you can and can't have.
I think when the leading UK expert in Obesity studies gives evidence in an inquiry and targets these diets as a cause of death for certain individuals it isn't scaremongering.
People have a right to hear all the aspects of the diet good or bad. Nobody gets ill eating one or two less potatos and going for a gentle walk.
The bad points of these diets are the proven risks of arrythmia and gallstones, and the good being a possible reduction in diabetes and high blood pressure from losing the weight. It has been proven that high quality protein along with a VLCD can be better for the system, which is why at the beginning of this thread I suggested she try the Lighter Life Lite version and have a meal a day at least.
If a director of finance was in serious financial difficulty and owed massive debts you'd have no faith in his abilities to run a profitable company.
If the CEO of a company, who started the diet to lose weight herself, cannot keep to a healthy BMI (and 35 is not a good BMI btw - she is still morbidly obese) then I would have no faith in the diet.
Interesting point about gallstones Wally one of the people I know who went on the LL diet has developed them!
If you have gallstones already they might not be causing you any problems. If you then change your eating habits dramatically you can create a situation where the gall stones get flushed out and cause problems. I have gallstones but nly get problems with them if I eat enormous quantities of cheese (only do that in France, and never again) or when I've started a diet and started eating very little indeed. Now I've learned the triggers I don't suffer anymore.
Off topic Higgle what symptoms do you get?
Whenever my dh eats cheese in a decent quantity, (uncooked mainly) I can guarantee he will end up with his head down the toilet bowl in the middle if the night. Usually when he's half asleep and unable to focus on his aim too.
I am absolutely ok with DC and vomit, but I lose my sympathy with DH!
Horrible excrutiating pain under ribs to the centre/right, nothing shifts it - painkillers don't work, moving or trying hot or cold applications no good. I also get very clammy. It was far worse the first time it happened when I had almost flourescent lucozade coloured urine and very pale poo too. I don't get it anymore because I've lost a bit of weight sensibly and will never ever try to eat up so much left over French cheese again.
The only other foodstuff apart from cheese that has affected me was one of those fried starter platters in a dodgy pub.
My doctor did recommend surgery but when I asked what would happen if I said no she said it might go away if I was sensible with what I ate, and she was right on that one.
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