Badkitten's 'will it snow at Christmas?' thread

(229 Posts)
OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sun 09-Dec-12 17:48:11

Just for fun smile

GFS had Christmas Day in sight now. Of course it's massively a long way off in forecast terms and it can't even make its mind up what is going to happen on Friday yet!

disclaimer: am only an amateur and this is my hobby. Please don't rely on it for any crucial decisions - I don't want you to get into pickles cos I got it wrong!

And now for the forecast......

<drumroll>

What are the chances for Herts/London way??
DS is desperate for snow!

BeaWheesht Sun 09-Dec-12 17:51:43

Oh please tell me there will be no snow between 22nd and 27th in northern England and southern Scotland?!

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sun 09-Dec-12 17:55:13

low pressure sits to the south of us bringing in a north easterly feed.

The south, especially the south west stays relatively mild and wet.

From central England (away from Wales) its colder and looking possibly snowy, perhaps a fair bit in places with the NE getting snow showers.

turkeyboots Sun 09-Dec-12 17:57:18

I want snow for Christmas! Never had it, even when living in foothills of Alps. Snowed before Christmas, melted and has grey Christmas and then loads of snow for NYE which buggered party plans.

sittinginthesun Sun 09-Dec-12 19:15:05

Uh oh. I'm going to be watching this thread. We are supposed to be travelling to Yorkshire on the 21st for the weekend. It's got to be pretty bad to miss BIL's wedding...

travellingwilbury Sun 09-Dec-12 19:18:42

Snow in Sussex would be marvellous please. Enough that I can't work would be really good x

travellingwilbury Sun 09-Dec-12 19:19:06

Snow in Sussex would be marvellous please. Enough that I can't work would be really good x

travellingwilbury Sun 09-Dec-12 19:19:41

Ooops sorry

MirandaWest Sun 09-Dec-12 19:20:26

Can it snow in York but then be fine to travel down south on Boxing Day please?

BahSaidPaschaHumbug Sun 09-Dec-12 19:21:25

No. No no no no no no no no no. It is not allowed to snow until at least 15th January.

Ooh even here???

<marking place>

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sun 09-Dec-12 20:59:13

Manky, the current picture would have you a bit far west.

BelleDameSousMistletoe Sun 09-Dec-12 23:30:53

As ever, my loathing of bloody bastard snow keeps me glued to the threads! However, even I will allow some snow on the afternoon of Christmas Day. Actually, if it could remain clear until approx 1pm and then cut us off for about three days that would be ideal.

So, OhYouMagicSnowyKitten do your stuff!

<Disclaimer: know that OYBBK is not actually Weather Goddess but is Weather Guru>

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Mon 10-Dec-12 07:36:12

Morning all smile

Well the 00z GFS is showing a fairly similar set up to yesterday's model with a dominant low pressure. This time it is a little more progressive with the low pressure moving a bit further north, bringing in slightly warmer temperatures and I think making snow more marginal.

Mild in the SW, and the west coast. Further north from central England up temps around 2c. Probably meaning that any snow would be confined to higher ground. Lots of precipitation around and actually rather stormy in the SW.

Not a great model run tbh.

headfairy Mon 10-Dec-12 09:00:48

Morning all snow watchers.... I'm hoping here in East Surrey we're far enough east to at least have a nice sparkling frost on Christmas day.

fat chance here!!!!! only ever had snow on christmas day once that i can remember and that was 2010 when it snowed practically everywhere.

SledsImOn Mon 10-Dec-12 09:15:51

Well I'm odd I know but sort of hope it does - I'm having a baby in the next few weeks and I quite like it when there is that lovely, quiet 'close down' feeling in the world, when the snow just stops everything - it kind of makes people prioritise, and everything is a challenge.

I probably shouldn't enjoy this blush But the idea of giving birth when it's snowing and everything else has stopped and people are helping each other and huddling together - well it sounds kind of nice.

headfairy Mon 10-Dec-12 11:09:26

hmmm Sleds, you may change your mind later... dd was born on NYE 2009, my last ante natal appt was on Dec 21 (my due date) for a sweep. I took ds, forgot my phone but didn't think it would matter as the hospital was five mins away and the appt was going to take minutes right? Er no, it was raining when I arrived, and while I was parking the car I watched the temperature drop from 3 degrees to -3 in the space of about ten minutes. While I was in with the midwife I could see the rain turning to snow. By the time I was ready to leave the hospital the entire area was in total gridlock. The M25 had become an ice rink and the ensuing traffic jam caused massive delays. I was advised to not leave the hospital as I would be stuck in traffic with ds for hours. Eventually I was there for 8 hours. As I'd left my phone at home and dh couldn't get in touch he thought I'd gone in to labour and was panicking as he couldn't get home because of the travel chaos. I didn't get home with ds until 10pm shock

It did clear up for Christmas, but then the snow came again just after new year, I ended up having a cs, so didn't leave hospital until Jan 3rd by which time we were snowed in again. I had to walk the last 200m to our front door as we couldn't get our car in to our road. Walking up hill through deep snow 3 days post cs wasn't fun. I was bricking it that I'd fall over. Because of the weather I didn't see a midwife for a week by which time the skin hard started growing over the little knot end of my sutures which had to then be cut out <grim> The midwife when she did come walked for an hour through the snow carrying her scales <hero> grin

I get what you mean about being all snug and cosy and wrapped up with your newborn. I guess it depends if you have other children. DS was absolutely stir crazy and desperate to go out, but because of complications I couldnt' drive for the full 6 weeks, and was pretty slow at walking. I spent a lot of time sitting on frozen park benches bfing dd while ds screamed around the playground - and let me tell you wind chill on a wet nipple is no laughing matter grin

SledsImOn Mon 10-Dec-12 11:44:54

Point taken grin and sorry about your poor nipple. I've only ever had summer babies...I think I'm being vastly naive to think a winter one will be 'fun'!

headfairy Mon 10-Dec-12 11:46:36

no, it's lovely having a new baby at Christmas, just not terribly practical grin

headfairy Mon 10-Dec-12 11:48:08

It makes planning birthday parties interesting... ds is September so birthday parties are easy, park... garden... anywhere outside. Currently I'm trying to organise poor DD's party but being New Year everyone's away or busy doing family things sad

SledsImOn Mon 10-Dec-12 12:03:22

Hmmm yes I can see that might be an issue.

I should have thought about it really at the outset!

headfairy Mon 10-Dec-12 12:11:05

grin you don't think of these things 40 weeks earlier! And even if you did Sod's law states that you'll end up with an equally awkward birthday any way!

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Mon 10-Dec-12 19:12:23

Latest GFS has vanished the low pressure. Cold inland, possible snow showers down the east coast. Mild in the sw!

Any possibility of snow for the south east? I am in east kent. smile

Vanished the Pest from the West, kitten ? I thought it was a dead cert that we'd be wet & mild by Friday all over the country

What about the beast from the east? grin

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 11-Dec-12 07:52:00

Now GFS is going for a full on raining pouring day with temps ranging from 3c in the east to around 10c in the west. awful!

Basically, the pest wins from this weekend sad

BelleDameSousMistletoe Tue 11-Dec-12 07:54:24

Rather rain than snow...

Snazzyfeelingfestive Tue 11-Dec-12 07:56:11

Marking place to hear more. Light snow from Christmas Eve but clearing up by the 27th would be my ideal. North west.

TeWisBeenNargledByTheMistletoe Tue 11-Dec-12 07:58:24

Boo, come on snow!

TobyLerone Tue 11-Dec-12 09:13:03

It can snow now but it needs to clear up by the New Year. I'm getting married on 12th Jan and it would be awful if people stayed away because of the weather sad

SledsImOn Tue 11-Dec-12 09:23:16

Rather a blizzard in parts of Kent this morning apparently. Not here - but down the road.

I'm envy

i really really want it to snow but i doubt it will here in the NW...envy to all of those who do get snow!

fatsatsuma Tue 11-Dec-12 14:19:50

Kitten, what has happened to the lovely cold weather we were supposed to have for the next two months??
AIBU to be totally depressed by the turn the forecast is taking?

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 11-Dec-12 14:50:06

YANBU fatsatsuma.
I'm not quite sure what is going wrong at the moment, other than the euro high is drifting away a bit and allowing the Atlantic to move in more. I need a bit more of a brain to analyse why that is ( a bit too drifty on co-codamol just at the moment to make my brain work properly)

TeWisBeenNargledByTheMistletoe Tue 11-Dec-12 16:10:35

It is very very cold and pretty foggy here in the middle bit. Just no precip!

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 11-Dec-12 16:18:33

freezing fog here. ugh.

TeWisBeenNargledByTheMistletoe Tue 11-Dec-12 16:25:50

At least we're inside!

And I saw a crane (bird!) on the roof of our house this am - it seemed very out of place in England in December.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 11-Dec-12 16:30:35

oh wow! A crane and not a stork? I'm sure that means something in Poland, but cant remember what....

TeWisBeenNargledByTheMistletoe Tue 11-Dec-12 16:32:56

I'm pretty sure! It was massive, flew off before I managed to get a picture. We are near a small wetland nature reserve.

BelleDameSousMistletoe Tue 11-Dec-12 16:37:57

Wow! We've got some herons nearby - they are huuuuuge!

OYBBK - sorry about the co-codamol requirement. Hope you are ok?

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 11-Dec-12 17:32:31

Herons are funny creatures. Our neighbour once declared war on them cos of his pond and strung the whole of his garden with fishing wire. How they could walk around without being garroted I'll never know!
belledame - I'm not great, but attempting to muddle through. I shant litter this thread with moans!

mathanxiety Tue 11-Dec-12 17:39:34

Give me rain any day. Not a downpour, more a light drizzle. <fussy>

fatsatsuma Tue 11-Dec-12 17:51:48

Sorry you're having a bad time kitten. I would give you a [bunch of flowers] but I don't know how to do it on my phone.

BelleDameSousMistletoe Tue 11-Dec-12 19:26:21

I like the herons. I like crows and magpies too though. I put food down for little birds at one end of the garden and big birds at the other.

Hope you're better soon. thanks

mathanxiety Tue 11-Dec-12 19:36:28

One of my mum's favourite Christmas memories is from the Christmas when I was about 3 months old. She heard a bird commotion in the garden and discovered a huge flock of migrating waxwings feasting on cotoneaster berries. It must have been a bad year for berries in northern Europe that year.

brew and thanks Kitten..

wine brew thanks

Labradorlover Tue 11-Dec-12 22:01:11

Had a flock of waxwings hang about the garden for an hour last winter. Had never seen them before...they are beautiful......

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Tue 11-Dec-12 22:43:34

If anyone lives on the west coast, then we are due an absolute BEAST of a swell this weekend. Get your cameras out and go storm watching!

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Wed 12-Dec-12 07:28:54

Cool Ariel!

What a shocker of a model run this time shock showing Christmas Day to be a mild stormy very wet affair. Bah humbug!

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Wed 12-Dec-12 07:29:24

Btw thank you smile

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......not wet and windy.

Pah, pah and double pah.

Hope you are feeling better today oymlk.

ajandjjmum Wed 12-Dec-12 14:18:34

OK Kitten - can you help with our outlook please? grin Leaving Southampton (on a ship!) on the 22nd for a week, calling into Bruges/Amsterdam/Copenhagen and Gotherburg. Please tell me the sea isn't going to be like a rollercoaster!

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Wed 12-Dec-12 18:44:26

Aj, is it a big ship with good stabilisers and a well stocked pharmacy?
Are you on the ship for the whole week?

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 13-Dec-12 07:44:56

Morning all,

Looking wet, mild and very windy in parts for Christmas Day. Not the sort of forecast I like typing out!

Silly weather.

headfairy Thu 13-Dec-12 12:08:36

Pah, it seems the timing was out by a couple of weeks, this frosty spell we've just had would have been perfect over Christmas! I bet it's super cold and frosty the week after Christmas, it seems to swing from cold and clear to wet and rainy... I guess it's the European highs battling with the Atlantic lows <pretends she knows something about the weather>

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 13-Dec-12 13:49:20

Tis exactly that kind of thing! smile

BelleDameSousMistletoe Thu 13-Dec-12 15:52:41

The sky is full of bloody snow waiting to attack fall from the look of things. sad

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Thu 13-Dec-12 16:04:39

Arf at "well stocked pharmacy" gringringrin

ThursdayWillBeTheDay Thu 13-Dec-12 16:11:24

Is this the travelling-up-hill-and-down-dale weather thread as well Kitten?

(it's me Bucharest, from south Italy,flying into Stansted next Monday afternoon and dp on 23rd) grin

I look forward to you getting me home every year!

ajandjjmum Thu 13-Dec-12 17:42:33

Oh dear kitten - that good eh?!!

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 13-Dec-12 19:16:16

Certainly can be the travelling-up-hill-and-down-dale thread. Luckily for you all I've been signed off work til Christmas, so apart from the fact I'm rather drugged and could spout random nonsense and need to make sure that i do the resting ive been told to do I'm all yours.

Will just have a look.....

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 13-Dec-12 19:21:50

Looking rather windy off the the south west tip of Italy on Monday and wet with a yucky low pressure. England looks fine for travel though at the moment, mild and maybe a bit showery. 23rd at the moment looks again low pressure dominated, not too bad in Italy, wet weather and windy weather moving in from the sw of England later on. Remind me closer to the time for that as things will change I'm sure.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 13-Dec-12 19:25:13

Aj yes, Fraid so.

Very Nasty storm now showing for the south on Boxing Day. It's rare that I see one looking like that tbh and I hope the models have lost the plot a bit because if it were to happen it would be the sort that gets remembered for years to come.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 13-Dec-12 19:28:26

Do you think people would like it if I asked mn to sticky this thread or would it be massively big headed and go horribly wrong given that I'm just an amateur?

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Thu 13-Dec-12 19:30:34

Shit! shock

Well hopefully that will mean I don't have to tramp all over the country visiting all and sundry and can stay put in front of the TV. Assuming there's power confused

headfairy Thu 13-Dec-12 19:30:41

No, sticky sticky sticky! grin I'm watching anyway, but I think lots of people would be interested in this thread cos we luffs you Kitten smile

Ooh yes Kitten sticky the thread. smile. I love your reports as they are so much more accurate than flaming BBC or Met Office.

Now, you're sure we won't get snow in central England on Christmas Day? sad

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Thu 13-Dec-12 19:32:11

Do you mean a wind type storm? And I guess you couldn't forecast the wind direction at this stage?

<goes to check tide timetables worriedly>

headfairy Thu 13-Dec-12 19:32:44

Actually reading that back it sounds like I'm saying no sticky.

Poor punctuation! blush

I meant No! <chants> Sticky! sticky! Sticky!

grin

CaptainNancy Thu 13-Dec-12 19:35:02

ajandjj, that sounds like a fab trip! May I ask who you're travelling with please? Is it a set cruise,or a normal shippping line?

poncyettia Thu 13-Dec-12 19:35:20

Very Nasty storm now showing for the south on Boxing Day

Are we talking a snow storm, rain and floods or high winds type of nasty storm oybbk ?

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 13-Dec-12 19:49:34

Poncy, very high winds unfortunately. Fortunately though there's loads of times for the models to change and I don't think I've ever known them to be anything like accurate for that sort of event so far away in time.

Singing, at this point in time I'm sure. Scottish hills would be lucky at this rate!

OliviaPeaceOnMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 13-Dec-12 21:28:54

OhYouMerryLittleKitten

Do you think people would like it if I asked mn to sticky this thread or would it be massively big headed and go horribly wrong given that I'm just an amateur?

Hallo OYMMLK
Sorry we don't sticky stuff that isn't from MNHQ. So no worries about any inaccuracies.
Do keep it bumped please?
(any thoughts for the Herts area for the 25th? DS1 is convinced it is going to snow)
Thanks

Bump

<sticks a post-it on thread>

ZebraInHiding Thu 13-Dec-12 21:52:29

Oooh! Olivia! So glad you asked! I was coming in to see what Herts was doing over Christmas too. Now with an MNHQ'er asking, we are sure to get snow! grin

NorksAreTinselly Thu 13-Dec-12 21:52:32

Sticky type bump.
I think OYBBK should be employed by MNHQ as official weather witch smile

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 13-Dec-12 22:08:47

That would be a great job!

Olivia, at the moment your ds would be rather disappointed I'm afraid. GFS looks positively soggy. HOWEVER, tonight one of the models is starting to break ranks and go for cold 3 days before hand. Is this going to be the break we are waiting for? Update tomorrow........

TwoSillyHatsWithBellsOn Thu 13-Dec-12 22:09:33

Mainly just posting so this keeps appearing in threads I'm on, I've always found kitten more accurate than BBC.

Still hoping things change and we get a white Christmas though (SW and it's never going to happen). grin

ZebraInHiding Thu 13-Dec-12 22:24:05

OYBBK - can I please ask what sites you browse for your forecasts? I have recently found netweather, which is so much more accurate than bbc etc. Would love to look into it all a bit more. THanks!

mumat39 Thu 13-Dec-12 22:45:56

It didn't get much above zero today. At 7.30 I popped out to do some late night shopping. I got back in the car at 8.30 and the car temp thingy said it was +5 degrees and it was drizzling.

I'm in SW London, so I think the warm up has started, here at least.

I was so hoping for snow. sad

Kitten, here's a hot chocolate brew and some thanks. <gets kitten a few magazines, the remote control and tucks her in emoticon>

Come on kitten, you left us on a cliff hanger.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Fri 14-Dec-12 10:14:42

grin
give me a chance....

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Fri 14-Dec-12 10:26:52

GFS still going for a wet and mild Christmas. I've started looking closely at the Ensembles too which are a collection of GFS runs with slightly different starting points, for a crumb of hope but couldnt find any!

Horrific Boxing day storm has gone now. Phew!

Sadly ECMWF is looking quite similar to GFS, no swing to colder weather. How mean of it last night! Tomorrow Christmas Day itself comes into ECMWF range.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Fri 14-Dec-12 10:30:54

Zebra,
for ensembles I use netweather

for general charts I use wetterzentrale

for a quick glance at the recent synoptic situation you can't beat met office surface pressure charts

mumat - thank you smile

ajandjjmum Fri 14-Dec-12 16:27:29

Captain Nancy
P & O - Oceana - hopefully clear of Norovirus and looking lovely after a makeover grin. Should be nice - family group of ten, so something for everyone - fingers crossed.

CaptainNancy Fri 14-Dec-12 20:43:03

Thank you smile Hope you have a wonderful time!

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sat 15-Dec-12 07:02:53

Morning all.
Today GFS shows wet and mild for Christmas Day. No Boxing Day storm again though, phew! Something might be afoot though as the control run for the GFS ensembles goes out on a limb and just after Christmas does a rather nice dive into cold. ECMWF takes a similar theme to GFS.

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Sat 15-Dec-12 09:30:40

Oh rats. I have gone and told everyone I know to beware of the Boxing Day apocalyptic storm, including a very high up geologist at the National Oceanographic Institute grin. Now I'll look like a twat <gloomy>

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sat 15-Dec-12 11:50:34

Oh no Ariel!!!! Never mind, it might reappear!

Don't worry, I look like a twat loads.

LillethTheCat Sat 15-Dec-12 18:40:18

Just marking place in thread as we have to travel down to York Christmas day and back up Boxing day. Looking good so far. Will not be buying christmas dinner in just in case just yet then.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sun 16-Dec-12 10:32:59

Morning all,

Slightly more interesting GFS chart this morning, which shows things starting to cool down on Christmas Day, still quite mild and wet (but maybe white stuff for northern Scottish hills) but after that things continue to cool down. showing potential for more widespread snow on the 27th with northerly winds!

Cold Spell doesn't last for long at the moment, but its early days and of course if it came in a bit earlier...... (Which sadly they tend not to in my experience)

Looking at ECMWF it actually shows a similar picture, but maybe not quite so ready to keep more than a days or twos worth of cold.

So, chin up folks, game isn't over yet! (And other patronising statements like that!)

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sun 16-Dec-12 10:38:28

Worth mentioning though that ECMWF does show a rather nasty low pressure over northern Scotland Christmas Day which would bring the risk of high winds to much of southern Scotland and perhaps northern England.
Probably be gone on tomorrow's model though!

Swings and roundabouts!! I am trying not to get my hopes up after that terribly disappointing show from the Beast

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sun 16-Dec-12 11:53:57

I wouldn't get your hopes up yet, but at least the models aren't all doom and gloom today!

And we have lovely sunshine here this morning. smile

Yes it's a glorious day!

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sun 16-Dec-12 20:02:32

Hmmmm, just had a look at the latest GFS run.

Nasty storm now showing for the 23rd/24th with severe gales /storm force winds running through the channel and the south.

Probably will be gone again tomorrow but that's the second model run to throw up something really nasty around Christmas.

Sadly it also shows no cold spell post Christmas.

HarderToKidnap Sun 16-Dec-12 22:37:41

Hi kitten, when do the models start to get accurate? I know nothing is ever certain with weather but when do the predictions have more weight?

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Mon 17-Dec-12 07:42:59

I'd say 4 days out is a pretty good time frame for starting to pick out specific weather systems. Snow itself is usually harder in this country because it often happens under quite marginal conditions.

A weeks time frame is usually enough to be able to pick up a general trend towards hot/cold/settled/unsettled and that's probably about it. Sometimes though the models do get things right surprisingly early but it's pretty hard to pick out which model might have the right idea!

GFS is once again going for a wet and mild Christmas. a storm is still showing, but this time the 24th/25th and affecting northern Scotland most. I think we need to pay attention to the possibility that there may be some sort of storm over that time period somewhere!

An increasing likelihood of flooding I'm afraid as we go through this week. The weekend concerns me. If you are in a flood prone spot, please be prepared to take precautions.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Mon 17-Dec-12 07:49:22

Looked at GFS which goes out to New Years Day. the good news is, that it seems that there's no risk of hypothermia for revellers.

Saltire Mon 17-Dec-12 08:00:50

kitten - I don't want to hear of more flooding smile. The aprt of North yorkshire I lvie in has been badly hit twice since October, and I have a Tesco order due for delivery on the 23rd, I don't want to hear a voice on the end of the phone saying
"oh I am sorry Mrs saltire but every road in your area is shut again due to flooding and we can't get to you" hmm

I was sure it might have snowed here this morning (London, despite the forecast). I woke up to that strange yellowish light you sometimes get when there's been a little bit of snow.

But actually it just looks a bit stormy sad

HardKnottPass Mon 17-Dec-12 09:05:24

Desperately still hoping for snow, though it does sound unlikely.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Mon 17-Dec-12 09:14:44

Saltire, that would be rubbish!!
I'll make sure that I keep an eye on the amount of rain expected this week and perhaps be able to give a bit of a heads up on it. No met office warnings out yet, only for ice for the north half of Scotland

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Mon 17-Dec-12 12:55:38

Got my threads a bit muddled, back on this one where I meant to say.....
GFS is being astonishingly consistent in showing Christmas Day as wet. every single model run......

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Mon 17-Dec-12 13:49:54

Oh no! A wet Christmas Day. Everyone hating each other and stuck in the same house sad

Or is that only the Ariel outlaws? Hopefully there'll be a break in the weather and I can take Nephew out in the puddles.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Mon 17-Dec-12 14:06:52

Tis a prospect I dread too!

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Mon 17-Dec-12 20:24:56

Latest GFS shows snow showers for northern Scotland christmas day. Wet showers elsewhere . Maybe cooling down in the new year.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 18-Dec-12 07:45:05

Goodness! A bit of a turnaround in the overnight GFS run!! Shows colder, with temps just a bit above freezing in central northern areas with an area of precip moving in from the SW Christmas night that just possibly may have a bit of snow on its leading edge.

Golly! I really want to take the dog out for a long walk with his reindeer antlers on Christmas Day. So anything other than urky murky rain would be great

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Tue 18-Dec-12 08:52:25

I'm still up for playing in puddles with Nephew <dons coat and wellies>

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 18-Dec-12 09:03:07

That's the spirit Ariel!

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 18-Dec-12 09:11:09

flood warnings for the sw tomorrow and I'm afraid looking at the charts that is just the start. Lots and lots of rain for the SW over the next week. More warnings will be issued by the met office I'm sure.

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Tue 18-Dec-12 09:15:04

Oh for God's sake. How am I supposed to dry any bloody washing? angry I was on the M5 yesterday and loads of the Levels and Devon are just an extended lake. There is nowhere for any more water to go.

But let's build on more floodplains anyway.

openerofjars Tue 18-Dec-12 09:41:07

Just out of interest, is Sheffield in a central northern area? Please?

<gets hopes up wildly>

<envisages prospect of being snowed in with sister>

Hmm. I might need to add fags,and bandages to the shopping list.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 18-Dec-12 12:52:00

Just looking at the next GFS run smile

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 18-Dec-12 13:00:20

Ok,
The low pressure is still there. It's in a position at the moment that could bring gales to the south on Christmas Eve through the night. Quite wet through Christmas Eve afternoon and night but drying up during Christmas Day to leave showers. Temps stay too mild for snow away from central Scotland, where it has the right mix of ingredients to bring the white stuff.

It's certainly being a tease isn't it!

ECMWF going for a completely different picture! Mild westerlies before cooling down!

So fundamentally damp really.

Will pack wellies and waterproofs for our trip to my brothers.

Thanks

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Tue 18-Dec-12 13:18:59

I think "fundamentally damp" sums it up pretty well.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 18-Dec-12 13:25:57

Nice summary smile

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 18-Dec-12 19:14:06

more warnings for the sw including amber I'm afraid sad

MooncupGoddess Tue 18-Dec-12 19:56:52

Gosh, it looks bad, doesn't it? Even in London netweather forecasts 36mm of rain on Thurs.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 18-Dec-12 19:59:32

That might be slightly overdoing it, they use GFS which tends to overestimate a bit. Nevertheless it does look very wet indeed.

Gross!! sob I don't want the rain. I am soooo close to stamping my foot

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 18-Dec-12 20:20:45

I'm so sorry sad

MooncupGoddess Tue 18-Dec-12 20:21:13

Oh, that's interesting Kitten.

Hope there is no serious flooding - couldn't be a worse time for it.

Kitten don't worry. We know you don't control the weather. You just spy on it. S ok

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Tue 18-Dec-12 20:25:09

Well I was going to come on here and yell sat her for giving us bad weather. Wasn't anyone else?

grin

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Tue 18-Dec-12 20:30:17

smile don't worry I can take. Just blame it on me.
<sobs>

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Tue 18-Dec-12 22:39:28

I've just watched the weather forecast. I wish they would give news of this never-ending march of depressions with less obvious relish.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Wed 19-Dec-12 07:56:21

Ariel - I know sad

Well today doesn't look too bad for Christmas Day. GFS shows Showery and mildish with ssw winds. Warmed up a bit in Scotland so snow would be confined to higher ground.

In the run up, watch out for gales on the 23rd in Scotland. Also an awful lot of rain for the SW in particular, but also for other areas.

All models in rough agreement now.

BelleDameSousMistletoe Wed 19-Dec-12 08:10:26

Not sure if this is of interest but, on Monday, West Yorkshire was "enjoying" yet more torrential rain but it was snowing on the "tops" near the Derbyshire border (Woodhead Pass). Fortunately, it stopped before proper settling. Bloody stuff. grin

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Wed 19-Dec-12 08:41:22

It's a tricky area! We once got caught out very badly up there. You might have the same possibly on Christmas Day then.

BelleDameSousMistletoe Wed 19-Dec-12 12:50:47

I just realised how Yorkshire my post sounded "proper settling"?! It's finally happened. After eight years, I've gone native. <hastily works on usual Southern pronunciation>

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Wed 19-Dec-12 16:59:39

grin

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 20-Dec-12 04:57:36

The latest GFS run is interesting. Complex low pressure sits to the north on Christmas Day bringing in a cold northerly feed. Whilst it would be too warm in the day for most for snow the conditions are almost there for some snow showers in the early hours of Christmas am. Lets see what happens with the next run.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 20-Dec-12 18:38:38

A couple of years ago this thread would have been buzzing.

Similar picture in the latest run. A showery day, wintery up in Central Scotland. Both ECMWF and UKMO are broadly supportive of this picture.

Kitten, it's still raining here - Warwickshire. WHEN OH WHEN will it stop?! Our house is on clay soil and when it gets soaked we end up losing power which has only just come completely back on about 2 hrs ago.

Anyway, any chance of snow for Christmas Day in central England? It's flaming well cold enough at the minute. Snow doesn't knock the power out but the sodding rain does.

Thank you for updates btw do appreciate them. smile

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Thu 20-Dec-12 18:50:16

We had rain and rain and rain and rain yesterday and last night. More floods. I can't believe this. Not my house, luckily for me, but not for others sad

LillethTheCat Thu 20-Dec-12 18:52:25

Im watching this thread, just not commenting on it much. Im more concerned with the rain ATM.

LineRunner Thu 20-Dec-12 18:52:39

So, rain, then?

Magna Thu 20-Dec-12 18:56:37

Found you and marking place smile

travellingwilbury Thu 20-Dec-12 18:56:54

Another one watching but not commenting much .

All this rain is depressing , I want a snow watch thread instead , once it looks like snow of course .

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 20-Dec-12 19:04:53

The rain really is concerning. A bit of respite tomorrow and also Sunday but some very high rainfall totals by the end of Monday.

Very very little chance of snow Christmas Day in central England.

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Thu 20-Dec-12 19:06:58

Saturday looks minging here again.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 20-Dec-12 19:09:48

Oooooo,exciting model run close to New Years. A big cool down now being modelled........

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 20-Dec-12 19:10:44

(Though it's shown as a short lived affair)

LillethTheCat Thu 20-Dec-12 19:22:24

ooh a snowy new year would be nice.

I am going to a wedding NYE! Hope for the bride's sake that any snow is limited to a pretty, sparkly dusting

headfairy Thu 20-Dec-12 20:47:48

I was just about to come on here and ask kitten don't we usually have a big freeze after a flood at this time of year?

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 20-Dec-12 21:00:32

It's not a pattern I've noticed headfairy, will be interesting to see what happens.

headfairy Thu 20-Dec-12 21:17:56

After the most recent bout of flooding someone said a freeze follows a flood, and verily 'twas so (the freeze last month)

Wallace Thu 20-Dec-12 21:22:23

I've just seen this thread. Will it be a white Christmas up here in the Highlands? I believe it was snowing very heavily up Cairngorm today.

Shakey1500 Thu 20-Dec-12 21:24:10

Kitten Nothing of any note to add to this thread but just to say, I really enjoy your weather threads and appreciate the time you take grin

Wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas!

peachypips Thu 20-Dec-12 21:32:21

So worried about rain! Concerned my family won't make it for Christmas. We have been flooded in several times this autumn/winter and I am getting to genuinely hate the rain. And yes, I know some would kill for rain.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Thu 20-Dec-12 22:08:45

Thank you Shakey smile a very happy Christmas to you too smile

Wallace, I think it is looking quite possible at the moment.

Peachy, I've been watching it on the news. It is really bad once again.

That rain yesterday was quite frightening. Places were floodi g near me that wouldn't usually flood.

I would quite like a big freeze though, enough to kill off the garden bugs that have run rampant this year would be nice.

Wallace Fri 21-Dec-12 07:45:57

Thank you smile

We have pouring rain at the moment, but snow a bit higher up.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Fri 21-Dec-12 07:50:58

Okaydoke. Morning update.

A bit of a mixed bag. Looking at GFS.

in Scotland, particularly northern areas away from coasts a cold day. Cold enough that any showers may well be snow.

England and Wales, showers. The further south you are in general, the more milder. Some places may not see any showers at all and it may feel more like a pleasant early spring day than anything!

Looking at UKMO
Milder than the GFS, but drier and colder. Too warm anywhere for snow really. The difference comes down to the positioning of the low pressure that looks set to dominate.

Looking at ECMWF
Again looking to mild for any showers to be snow.

So onto a brief summary for Christmas travellers.

Today: an English/Scottish divide with rain being mostly confined to north of the border. Quite a pleasant day for some. Rain starts to arrive in the sw around midnight.

Saturday: rain quickly sweeps in across the UK. Expect further road flooding. Some strong winds, perhaps in the NE of Scotland reaching severe gale later in the day.

Sunday: northern half of Scotland seeing rain or showers. Rest of the UK generally drier, but the winds will remain quite strong. Rain begins to arrive in the south that night.

Monday: wet once again in the south, but perhaps not quite as much as we've seen recently. Any strong winds calming down through the day.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Fri 21-Dec-12 07:56:35

Don't forget to keep an eye on the met office warnings page

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Fri 21-Dec-12 08:11:13

Will bump occasionally today for travellers smile

headfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 09:24:57

kitten you are an angel!

I'm supposed to be taking ds to see Father Christmas at Penshurst Place in Kent tomorrow. I know it's going to rain but is there one part of the day when the rain is less likely to be torrential? Would morning or afternoon be better? I would go on Sunday because it looks better, but we have other things already organised.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Fri 21-Dec-12 09:56:19

Headfairy, quite a hard call to make really as it depends on how quickly the front goes through. Either first thing in the morning before it arrives or towards the end of the afternoon as the the back edge goes through.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Fri 21-Dec-12 12:13:21

Waiting for the next model to update....

pepperrabbitanddesultorytinsel Fri 21-Dec-12 12:15:03

We have sunshine shock

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Fri 21-Dec-12 12:17:50

Tis very nice isn't it smile

headfairy Fri 21-Dec-12 12:53:35

oh lovely thanks kitten I was thinking of going later in the day so the Christmas lights would be on... so hopefully the front will have swept through by then. The forecast is showing it to be fairly dry on Sunday for us now so they're expecting it to move through quite quickly I guess.

mumat39 Fri 21-Dec-12 18:03:10

Hi Kitten.

I just linked to the warnings page and Sunday looks the same as Saturday, so does your summary above mean we should be ok to be out and about on Sunday? I think I might be looking at the wrong thing confused

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Fri 21-Dec-12 18:25:02

Will have to double check for you as am away from the pc but at the last look Sunday day time should be ok away from Scotland. Check out what time the warnings end for Sunday.

mumat39 Fri 21-Dec-12 18:39:15

Thanks Kitten. The warning is until 12.00. I didn't know there was text attached to the warnings. We're in SW London btw.

Also, can I just echo what Shakey said above. I love your posts too and appreciate the time you must take updating here.

I've been trying to understand the weather maps but am still clueless so apologies for the silly question.

Xxx

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Fri 21-Dec-12 20:43:47

I am very glad I'm not going anywhere tomorrow, put it that way. How can there be so much rain in the sky?

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Fri 21-Dec-12 20:45:18

Though actually Cornwall's Christmas Day is not looking too bad.

At the moment.......

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Fri 21-Dec-12 20:51:08

You are very welcome mumat smile and it wasn't a silly question at all.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sat 22-Dec-12 08:29:50

Morning all. Just a quick update, up against the clock this am.
Well a fine soggy morning we have here!!!! The last of this batch of rain will clear away from the SE in the early hours to leave a dry day in England Wales. Parts of Scotland staying a bit soggy I'm afraid.

Monday the next band of rain moves in from the sw. Not as bad as today thank goodness but there are still met office warnings for the south.

Christmas Day pretty much a fine dry day, maybe one or two showers according to the UKMO but GFS shows more. Also GFS has it a lot colder in Scotland with temps around zero in central areas. Both models are in agreement with it being mild in the south.

Boxing Day perhaps another fine and mild day. Again models disagree about Scotland's temps.

Ok, have a good day all. If travelling today stay safe. Next update tonight.

Thanks kitten. Don't think it's going to get light today either. The ground is so sodden I'm just waiting for the power to click off again <glum>

GloriaSnow Sat 22-Dec-12 09:34:49

We've had 4.9mm of rain in the last 24 hrs, here in Leicester.
Raintoday shows the huge band of rain over the country atm.

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Sat 22-Dec-12 10:28:10

Cheers, Kitten!

GloriaSnow Sat 22-Dec-12 11:29:19

The metoffice has issued its weather review of the year - am shock at the rain statistics.

GloriaSnow Sat 22-Dec-12 11:38:13
mumat39 Sat 22-Dec-12 11:45:11

Thanks Gloria.

That's really interesting. I love all these stats. I'm surprised at the numer of rain days. It's felt like it's rained alot more than that. Esp. since the drought warnings were issued.

Kitten, thanks again. Looking forward to a dry Christmas Day.

Anyone who is travelling, I hope you all have a safe journey.

Anyone who as been adversely affected by rain, I really hope you're all ok.

Xxx

GloriaSnow Sat 22-Dec-12 11:53:25

mumat ~ I know what you mean about the amount of rain ~ it does feel like we've had more than that. <sigh> it's been one very soggy year.

ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid Sat 22-Dec-12 11:56:06

Age of Aquarius innit? <nods sagely>

It's also been incredibly annoyingly inconceivably windy.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sat 22-Dec-12 19:41:37

Pretty similar picture showing this evening.
Tomorrow better, apart from SCotland where the northern half stays quite wet, with severe gales, perhaps storm force in the NE. However, rain does move into the south in the evening.

Monday, generally a wet day, most especially in the south and south west where there are warnings out.

Christmas day, I'm afraid it looks like there will be some showers around. sorry. Unlikely to be all day though and lots of areas will have reasonable breaks from the rain.

Boxing day, starting off dry and reasonable for most. Rain sodding well looks to move in later. Maybe some snow on high English northern hills as things look to cool down a bit.

Wednesday looking colder in the northern half.

ok, dinner calling.....

Can I just say that in central england where the Met Office say it will be light rain now - NO IT IS PEEING IT DOWN. angry

Honestly Kitten you are so much more reliable. How is it that with the wealth of resources the Met Office have open to them they can get it so wrong?!

Anyway, we have power here today so I am grateful for small mercies.

stuffthenonsense Sat 22-Dec-12 23:08:48

Hi, what news for the Lake District weekend of the 29th? Going away for a 'significant' birthday.... Worth taking a sledge for the children?

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sun 23-Dec-12 07:41:03

Singingtunelessly, power is good!!!! Nice to appreciate the small things in life!
Stuff, as the models stand, a boat will be far more useful. Saturday itself at the moment looks ok, with heavy rain moving in over night according to GFS. ECMWF shows a similar picture sadly.

Ok, on to the Christmas forecast.....

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sun 23-Dec-12 07:56:17

Not a bad day today for England. Rain in the northern half of Britain will gradually pull away to the north through the day leaving an improving picture for those in southern Scotland.

This evening a rain band moves in across the south. It will be very heavy at times over night and although it may ease off for a bit tomorrow it looks like it will come back in strength later in the day. I'm afraid it's only going to add to the flooding problems. Later on tomorrow I'm afraid rain will move in across much of the uk so if you are out and about tomorrow I think the best time of day for most will be in the morning.

Christmas Day a showery day for many. mild too. However that night ice could be a problem further north into Scotland. Take care driving!

Boxing Day, starting off to be a pleasant day really. Sadly rain starts to move in in the evening. Those around the Glasgow area and further north should be aware of the possibility of snow rather than rain, especially away from coasts on higher ground.

I'm not going to be able to a check in quite as much now and over Christmas, but I will make sure I keep updating.

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sun 23-Dec-12 07:58:26

Forgot to mention the high winds in the NE of Scotland, oops!!

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sun 23-Dec-12 07:59:08

Likely to stay a bit drizzly in the south today too. Aargh!

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Mon 24-Dec-12 08:15:58

What a depressing Christmas this has been to forecast weather wise sad
Revolting today. Gloomy and at times wet.
Tomorrow, a bit less gloomy and wet.
boxing day not so bad for a bit. Scotland wet. Then later on everyone wet.
Thursday I reckon the met office will put up more rain warnings in the south.
Ad bloody infinitum!

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Mon 24-Dec-12 08:16:18

Merry Christmas everyone grin

Wallace Mon 24-Dec-12 08:21:02

Thank you kitten grin

Wallace Mon 24-Dec-12 08:21:25

And Happy Christmas to you too grin

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Mon 24-Dec-12 08:31:12

grin

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Mon 24-Dec-12 09:13:40

Been looking ahead at the models to see if it might cool down at all. Ironically gfs shows winter arriving as they go back to school!

headfairy Mon 24-Dec-12 14:34:45

Merry Christmas Kitten, thanks somuch for your marvellous forecasting efforts. It has been a rubbish season so far hasn't it? I've been saying to everyone who'll listen that its going to get cold in the new year, 'tis the cyclical nature of these things.

Merry Christmas everyone.

Let's hope for lots of snow days in the new year.

It's blowing a hoolie in east kent, really vicious winds.

Thanks for your forecasts, Kitten.

Any sign of cooling down in the SE this year?

Happy Christmas Kitten! Thank you for your far more accurate than Met Office/BBC reports. Honestly how do they get it so wrong so often? Or this is just where I am? grin and Grrr.

Please make it stop raining though. sad

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Tue 25-Dec-12 07:51:02

Singingtunelessely, you are very kind! However I am very blush as I had no idea it was going to thunder through the night!

happy Christmas everyone!!!!!

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Tue 25-Dec-12 22:00:15

No cool down showing but Friday night looks concerning in terms of severe gales, perhaps storm force winds, at the moment looking to affect Scotland the most. Models all develop the storm but the degree to which it depends and the position varies.

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Wed 26-Dec-12 09:27:16

Not looking so concentrated I don't think this morning. Instead widespread gales across the UK starting Friday afternoon and going through into Saturday. Gusts of up to 60 mph in exposed parts.
I'm afraid the rain keeps coming though. Some parts of central England and northern Wales may have a fairly dry pleasant day tomorrow.

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Thu 27-Dec-12 21:22:39

wind warnings for nw scotland and of course more rain warnings.....

headfairy Thu 27-Dec-12 21:26:35

OMG, how much longer can this go on? The rain just doesn't drain away now. All the drains are full, it just sits on the road. There's one road near to us that has been permenantly flooded for the past three weeks. I feel really sorry for those poor residents who have to walk through two foot of water to get to their houses every day. Luckily the houses are raised so I don't think they're flooded.

CheeryCherry Thu 27-Dec-12 21:27:20

Love your reports! Do you think the UK will get the tail end of America's snowstorm?

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Thu 27-Dec-12 21:35:09

Cheery, sadly anything that comes over the Atlantic will just be more rain.
There does happily look like there will be some respite from the rain next week for the south, with the rain moving north for a bit, to even clear much of scotland eventually. Hooray! But.... It doesn't look set to last so make the most of it.

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Fri 28-Dec-12 10:49:44

wind warnings up to amber

Some interest in NYEve weather. Looking very wet, but the cold front could be a rather active squally one (with potential for thunderstorms etc)

Wet, wet and more wet! With wind thrown in. Thanks OYBBK, will take extra care driving, it doesn't sound nice

Kitten, I can't get that link to load. Please, please, please tell me there's no more rain for central England? I know that compared to the poor South West, in particular, we really can't complain but ENOUGH IS A ENOUGH. angry. The ground is sodden here. Ooh, think I might have complained before about the power outage. boring myself- --now sad

grin. Apologies for self pity trying to see the light hearted side of NO light or heating looming.

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Sat 29-Dec-12 11:01:27

Seems there are snow warnings out for a good part of Scotland. Missed that one! Sorry folks!

Singingtunlessly, it should get better from Tuesday for a few days. Perhaps lasting into the weekend.

Wallace Sat 29-Dec-12 11:16:22

Thanks. I wonder if it will get cold enough. Apparently it was 10 degrees in the night. No wonder I was sweating!

oricella Sat 29-Dec-12 21:35:38

there was a wee sprinkling on Slochd as we passed just now... blooming gales and bucketing down further west plenty of Apres Ski'ers in the winking owl though

Wallace Sun 30-Dec-12 07:40:47

oricella - you should have waved as you passed! wink

Been snowing here but not settling.

Wallace Sun 30-Dec-12 08:51:24

Now it is little I can see we do have a wee skiff of snow - literally just flakes settled.

It has just started snowing properly.

Wallace Sun 30-Dec-12 08:51:51

light not little!

GentleOtter Sun 30-Dec-12 10:08:22

There was a smattering of snow here just before Christmas which melted but it is snowing heavily and lying on the ground. Very stormy here last night, lots of flooding and very icy roads. Mind how you go if you are travelling on the A9 or on some of the rural back roads.

oricella Sun 30-Dec-12 10:28:39

Waves to Wallace

We travelled just ahead of the bad weather... A9 certainly doesn't look like much fun today; we now have 3 flakes on the roof and sleet throws another log onto the fire

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Sun 30-Dec-12 10:52:21

Well, tomorrow looks like a rather nasty day, strong winds, especially in the far SE with gusts to around 60mph. A cold front goes through and I think there's the possibility of squalls around it and perhaps some thunderstorms too. Lots and lots of heavy rain.

Then New Year's Day it will be as though someone switched the Atlantic off. Much colder, dry for most and a lovely winters day. After that it gets much milder again and, thank goodness drier for at least a time, more so in the south with the nw. In particular not being so lucky. (Note drier, not dry)

GloriaSnow Sun 30-Dec-12 13:24:22

Looking at the forecast on News24, I think the cold front is supposed to clear quite a lot of the country during the day/evening. It might still hang on in the SE so midnight in London might be quite a wet event.

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Sun 30-Dec-12 14:20:53

Sounds like a fair assessment smile

fatsatsuma Sun 30-Dec-12 17:42:34

Kitten, can you see any sign of a cool down in January? The Met Office long range forecast is very non-commital, but seems to hint at the possibility of it getting towards the end of the month.

Thanks for your stirling work on the MN weather desk grin

pepperrabbitanddesultorytinsel Sun 30-Dec-12 17:49:58

Managed to get out in the garden this afternoon and it's absolutely sodden shock
I mean, I know it's been raining almost non stop forever, but the shed has a moat, my 2 veg patches are literally underwater. We've been here 8 years or so and I've not seen the ground this saturated before.
What I'd really like is a cold/dry spell or proper snow.
Pretty please! smile
(You do do requests, don't you OYBBK wink)

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Sun 30-Dec-12 18:25:05

Thank you Satsuma smile
if only I could do requests, I'd be snowed in now until the end of January!!!!

I can see hints of a cool down from mid Jan onwards. The conditions over russia are looking much more promising. The only caveat, is that it looked jolly promising in November! interesting blog about stratospheric warming, a concept that I'm slowly coming to grips with.

fatsatsuma Sun 30-Dec-12 18:39:20

Yes, I got excited about the SSW a few weeks ago but it didn't come to much.

Still, we always used to get the worst snow in January so there's still hope for us snow-lovers.

OhyouMerryLittleKitten Sun 30-Dec-12 19:15:03

Should be a dry night tomorrow for NY celebrations smile apart from for much of poor Scotland who will have a mix of rain/sleet/snow depending on altitude and location.

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